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1 posted on 10/18/2008 10:06:35 AM PDT by Publius804
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Golda Meir was part of the conspiracy?


2 posted on 10/18/2008 10:09:45 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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Too bad..


3 posted on 10/18/2008 10:09:53 AM PDT by x_plus_one (Muhammed and Allah = 2 memes destined for the ashheap of history.....)
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860,000

4 posted on 10/18/2008 10:11:23 AM PDT by Petronski (Please pray for the success of McCain and Palin. Every day, whenever you pray.)
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"Pope Pius XII, worried about burning his bridges with Germany, never made a clear statement denouncing the singular monstrosity of the extermination of millions of Jews. Moreover, he did not do so after the war either, which is profoundly shocking," the organization, Conseil Representatif des Institutions juives de France, said in a statement.

"If carried out, the plan to beatify Pius XII, who was pope between 1939 and 1958, would deal a severe blow to relations between the Catholic Church and the Jewish world," the statement said.

5 posted on 10/18/2008 10:23:36 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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France's main Jewish organization warned Friday that efforts to make wartime Pope Pius XII a saint would deal "a severe blow" to relations between Catholics and Jews.
Ta-ta Jews. Don't let the door hit you in the ___.

ps: Keep your stinkin' nose out of our religion. Got it schmuck!

6 posted on 10/18/2008 10:28:51 AM PDT by Condor51 (The only difference between Bill Ayers and Timothy McVeigh is the body count!)
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Obama Says A Baby Is A Punishment

Obama: “If they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby.”

9 posted on 10/18/2008 10:55:20 AM PDT by narses (http://www.youtube.com/TheMouthPeace)
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“Nazi concentration camp unveils monument to Catholic priests killed in Holocaust

Berlin, Nov 6, 2006 / 12:00 am (CNA).- A new stone sculpture was unveiled in Germany this weekend to commemorate the many Catholic priests and monks killed in a lesser-known World War II Nazi concentration camp near Berlin.

The sculpture, unveiled Saturday, is engraved with a cross and the names of 96 clergy who died at Sachsenhausen concentration camp on the north-west outskirts of Berlin, reported Deutsche Presse-Agentur.

Cardinal Jozef Glemp, primate of Poland, attended the ceremony as most of the priests were Polish.

To date, historians working for the Archdiocese of Berlin have documented the names of 711 Catholic clergy from Poland, Germany, and other European nations who were incarcerated in the Sachsenhausen camp....”
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=7987

“In January, 1940, against protests by Mussolini’s government, the Vatican appointed two Jews to the Vatican Academy of Science. (N.Y. Times, Jan. 10, 1940) In March, he appointed another Jewish professor to the Vatican Library to restore ancient maps, twelve hours before the new Italian laws went into effect prohibiting Jews from all professional life . (N.Y. Times, March 2, 1940 )

Near the Ides of March, the German Foreign Secretary, Joachim von Ribbentrop came to the Vatican for an official visit. The Times reported that the Pope defended the Jews in Germany and Poland, and that von Ribbentrop left the audience “downcast”. The Times called the visit, “Hitler’s Canossa.” (N.Y. Times, March 14, 1940)

In a letter to the editor of the Times, the Provost of the Jewish Theological Seminary of America reminded the readers that the foundational concept of democracy is the “supreme worth and dignity of the individual.” Louis Finkelstein continued, “The hostility to all forms of religion, characteristic of modern totalitarianism, is directed at this most fundamental religious concept, and leads us to the conclusion that the preservation of freedom is inextricably bound to the preservation of religion.” He then stated that it was the Christian churches that offered resistance to the Third Reich. “No keener rebuke has come to Nazism than from Pope Pius XI and his successor, Pope Pius XII.” (N.Y. Times, March 31, 1940, p. 8, 7)

Later in that month, Albert Einstein spoke out in favor of the Pope, as quoted above.

In his Christmas address to the College of Cardinals, Pius XII once again took aim at Hitler. The Times editorialized,

“If the Pope in his Christmas message had intended to condemn Hitler’s system, he could not have done it more effectively than by describing the ‘moral order’ which must govern human society. . . . The Pontiff pointed out that the foundation of the moral order is trust, ‘fidelity in the observance of pacts.’ Without trust–and this war has demonstrated the truth of his words–the coexistence of powerful and weak peoples is impossible. The moral order, he added, cannot be based on hatred, on the principle that ‘might makes right,’ on economic maladjustment, on ‘the spirit of cold egoism’ which leads to the violation of the sovereignty of states and the liberty of their citizens. The moral order, in a word, is in complete contradiction to Hitler’s order.” (N.Y. Times, Dec. 25, 1940, p. 26,2)”

http://www.catholicleague.org/pius/piusnyt/moralorder.htm

I see grizzled harpies have made an appearance, now we have to wait for fanboys. (Complements to the orginator whomever they may be.)


10 posted on 10/18/2008 10:56:46 AM PDT by OpusatFR (Retiring to my swamp for the next decade on November 5, 2008)
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The kindest thing that can be said about Pope Pius XII is that he was a mediocrity. Terming him a saint would be an insult to the other real saints.


12 posted on 10/18/2008 11:04:10 AM PDT by WilliamReading
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It would be a disgrace to make this man a Saint. Especially considering that if there’s a hell, he is almost certainly in it right now. Why not canonize Hugh O’Flaherty, a monsignor at the Vatican who came in direct conflict with Pius by sheltering Jews in Rome?


15 posted on 10/18/2008 1:18:58 PM PDT by MeanMachine
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This type of slander is what happens when you put the power of making someone a saint in the hands of man. Rather in the hands of God where it belongs. Do you all know there were saints prior to the RCC? Read your OT.


26 posted on 10/18/2008 9:02:27 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Psalm 83:1-8 is on the horizon.)
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I wonder how many of the people represented by the “main Jewish organization” of France actually believe or practice any part of the Jewish religion.


40 posted on 10/19/2008 2:40:49 PM PDT by Tax-chick (After 5:00 p.m., slip brains through slot in door.)
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860,000
70 posted on 10/23/2008 4:46:36 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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France's main Jewish organization warned Friday that efforts to make wartime Pope Pius XII a saint would deal "a severe blow" to relations between Catholics and Jews.

Don't these guys have anything more important to do with their time?

Two young boys wearing kippas attacked in Paris suburb (not, not by Catholics)

80 posted on 10/23/2008 4:24:13 PM PDT by Alouette (Vicious Babushka)
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