Posted on 10/18/2008 10:06:35 AM PDT by Publius804
French Jewish Group Opposes Pius XII Sainthood
Friday, October 17, 2008 4:30 PM
PARIS -- France's main Jewish organization warned Friday that efforts to make wartime Pope Pius XII a saint would deal "a severe blow" to relations between Catholics and Jews.
The warning from an umbrella organization of French Jewish groups comes as the Vatican mounts a campaign to refute accusations Pius did not do enough to try to stop the extermination of 6 million Jews during World War II.
"Pope Pius XII, worried about burning his bridges with Germany, never made a clear statement denouncing the singular monstrosity of the extermination of millions of Jews. Moreover, he did not do so after the war either, which is profoundly shocking," the organization, Conseil Representatif des Institutions juives de France, said in a statement.
"If carried out, the plan to beatify Pius XII, who was pope between 1939 and 1958, would deal a severe blow to relations between the Catholic Church and the Jewish world," the statement said.
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That's fine. I'm addressing recognition by the Church.
What makes a person a saint?
God.
There are lots of saints the church hasn't officially recognized, as such. You seem to be hung up on the fact that the Church recognizes certain people for what they are.
What person; a saint? Yes.
Are you a saint?
That's personal.
It is a theological question. If some one asks you if you are Catholic do you say that personal? Let me ask you this way if you are a Christian does that make you a saint?
Depends on who's asking and the situation.
What makes a person a saint?
Now you're going in circles; look up thread.
I know that this thread is a few days old ...
You've got it almost right. The missing piece is that the Bishop(s) then say that there really isn't any equally morally grave issue ... which leads to the conclusion that voting for a pro-abortion politician, regardless of his position on other issues, is gravely evil.
Thanks for bringing up the tenBoom family. If any FReeper hasn't read The Hiding Place, they ought to.
Another individual was Dietrich Bonhoeffer.
However, we shouldn't be talking about who saved more innocents. I believe there were many Christians regardless of denomination who felt God's call to fight against the Nazis. One in particular that I honor is Blessed Titus Brandsma.
Yes, many people hid Jews, maybe just one or two but God saw and was pleased. The Hiding Place was one of my favorite all-time books. Thanks for reminding me of it. I should see if I can find my copy and re-read it. God bless.
That's how I took it.
My hat's off to them.
In the end we are all going to find out where the members of our churches stand. I just don't see how any Christian can think Jesus would want us to support someone who believes infanticide is okay. I do question whether someone really is a believer if they can vote for a pro infanticide candidate.
Indeed, and this is certainly a time for standing. Every four years, the democrats serve up a worse candidate than the last one. This one's downright demonic.
“860,000 Jews saved - according to other Jews.
When a single Protestant anywhere can truthfully claim to have saved even one-tenth of that, let me know.”
Do actual soldiers fighting and dying in Europe count, if they happened to be Protestant? How about the taxpayers that made it possible, do they count - or do they not by virtue of being Protestant?
I'm with you.
We have to win this fight!
God correct? Like I asked are you a saint? If not why? I can answer the question is two words yet you will not answer the question at all. As my original post stated when the making of a saint is in the perceived hands of man then many will slander the out come of it. My questioning is not a circle it is seeking your answer to it.
Don't ask again, go back and look at what I said.
Like I asked are you a saint?
Like I said, it's none of your business.
I can answer the question is two words yet you will not answer the question at all.
I can answer in one word, but it's none of your business.
when the making of a saint is in the perceived hands of man then many will slander the out come of it
That's fine, but it has nothing to do with the Church. The Church doesn't make saints.
My questioning is not a circle it is seeking your answer to it.
I already gave it.
Don't these guys have anything more important to do with their time?
Two young boys wearing kippas attacked in Paris suburb (not, not by Catholics)
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