Why don’t these gays go to the Metropolitan Community Church? It’s a gay friendly denomination. Rather than trying to make established churches adhere to politically correct positions, why don’t they just go to their own home church, which welcomes them as they are???????
Why don’t these stupid whiners just go to “Metropolitan Community Church” and get it over with? There is absolutely no way they can claim to be believing Catholics and justify their position, and the failure of the bishops hasn’t been that they’ve preached too much about this, but that they haven’t made it sufficiently clear.
I was surprised to read that Niederauer was responsible for getting the Mormons so involved. I know that he’s from Salt Lake, so it’s logical, but after his weak performance in “dealing with” Nancy Pelosi, I didn’t expect him to actually fight very hard on Prop 8, either.
I’m very proud of the Catholics and Mormons who stood tall supporting prop 8. Kinda wonder why the evangelical movement was relatively silent on the issue? Blessings to all churches that were shining their light in the darkness!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uv72urCWJcU
“...vibrant gay Catholic community..”
How could you be gay and Catholic at the same time? Are Catholics now brainwashed about gays, too?
“It makes me very, very, very disenchanted with the Archdiocese (of San Francisco) as an institution,” said Kevin Sullivan, 50, who said the archdiocese brought him back to the faith of his childhood. “It’s very frustrating to be a gay Catholic and to have to apologize to everyone I know about Proposition 8.”
Don’t apoligize. Quit the church, or get right with God. Your call.
San Francisco needs a saint in a bad way. Somebody like Padre Pio who will call people on their sins.
Divides them into Catholics and CINO
Pelosi and her minions in San Francisco are not Catholics. They are CINOs.
Catholics in name only.
If the gay marxist syndicate has, in fact, divided Catholics through opposition to Prop 8, then they’ve managed a victory of sorts, through divide and conquer tactics.
It would appear their intent all along has been to destroy the Catholic Church, witness many of their past activities pre-Prop 8. And we seem to be cooperating nicely.
I am a Libertarian. I keep seeing these stupid articles and discussions about this topic. People really do have the memory of an insect. People really don’t know where they’ve come from. It makes me sad guys. Here is what I see. I see that you don’t know a thing in and of itself. The cause of this, in and of itself, is that the government is deciding who gets married in a church. Does that set off any alarm bells fellow Patriots?
I think we are all missing the point of the separation of Church and State. The STATE is at fault here. No if’s, and’s, or but’s. They have crossed the line when the legislate who I can procreate with. I happen to like asian girls, so this does hit close to home for me. What does that have to do with gay’s and fruitcakes, you ask? Read on.
The state has no business deciding who gets married and who doesn’t. That was invented in the 1800’s to keep chinese/mongoloids and negroes from marrying caucasians. And it worked.
The State has no business asking for a vote on this. It is the absolute Right of Religion to dictate who gets married and who does not.
The Roman Catholic Church cannot condone sodomy. It is and always has been a mortal sin. Which means you really do go straight to hell when you die. Hell is without choice. Hell is repetition. Hell will hurt you and for a very long time. And sodomy is a one way ticket. That will never change.
If homosexuals want to marry, they can start their own church and get married in the Holy Rainbow of Whatever. It’s not our business. We have no business legislating them or anyone else.
The only reason why we are discussing this at all is because the IRS is still socially engineering our society. Are you married? Are you single? Do you have a house? A chicken? A monkey? Do people think your look weird because you’re brown/yellow or mulatto? Do you have a bone in your nose? Then you get a tax deduction!
Marriage came before governments. Marriage isn’t a promise to your fiance’. It’s a promise to God- at least in the Catholic Church. Other church may worship gerbils. None of my business, and good for them. In either case, that puts it right in the lap of Religion- not the State.
The State and/or Government have no business keeping track of if you married a chinese girl or not, or if you married a gay guy or not.
To resolve this issue, like most BS the government creates, remove that request for information from the tax code. Make all state marriage “licenses” illegal. And let the Church’s do what they are supposed to do. Keep the IRS from asking about your personal life. I can’t ask that at a job interview, but they can fine me for it? No, I don’t think so.
Is this not why we founded this Country? Because the state slaughtered and bred out any religion the King didn’t like. This is not the place for government. It has never been the place for government.
This isn’t about gay’s or any other group with a self-correcting illness. This would not be a discussion at all if the government wasn’t racist and overstepped it’s bounds into religion.
It’s not our concern who gets married and it’s not the government’s concern who gets married. There should be no marriage “license” or marriage “tax” in the first place.
Gay Catholics. Like square circles.
Many of these Catholics were taught from childhood that marriage is between one man and one woman. Jesus Himself stated that from the beginning of their creation God made them “male and female”.
It is easy to predict how Catholics would vote.
There was a time when people thought that their religious beliefs were true, that is, factual, just as "2+2=4" is factual or that "oaks come from acorns" is factual. But over the past century or so (and perhaps longer than that) religion has become not so much a belief system about factual spiritual reality as an aspect of "ethnoculture." If one is born into a Catholic family or ethnic group (ie, Irish, Italians), then one is entitled to consider oneself a "Catholic in good standing" regardless of whether one agrees with the Church on any number of issues. And since religion is merely ethnocultural rather than factual, it doesn't need to hold to any one position permanently but can "evolve" and "develop" along with the rest of life.
This is the great divide between Fundamentalist and non-Fundamentalist religion. Fundamentalist religion regards itself as factual, and "facts are stubborn things." Non-Fundamentalist religion regards itself as ethno-cultural, or at least highly allegorical so that it need not commit itself to any permanent standards.
The first "Fundamentalist Protestants" were intellectuals and professors at places like Princeton. Nowadays the term "Fundamentalist" has literally become an ethnic slur, referring not to any theological position (else it would be used to describe inner city African-American women) but the rural poor white Anglo-Saxon and Anglo-Celtic ethnic group. And this has in large part happened because churches that used to be Fundamentalist (in that they regarded themselves as factually true) have tried to make themselves "respectable" by continually taking pot shots at "Fundamentalism" as something "other" and foreign.
Time to reclaim the "f"-word, ladies and gentlemen!