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[Quix]

It’s interesting that Revelation is the only book of God’s Word that carries a curse for those who would add to or take away from it.

Placed at the end . . . it’s even conceivable that the curse applies to the whole of Scripture.

I wonder what level of that curse would apply to someone taking Revelation totally out of the Bible.

God have mercy.

[Quix]

Thanks.

[Quix]

INDEED.

[Star Traveler]

You said — I wonder what level of that curse would apply to someone taking Revelation totally out of the Bible.

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Ummm..., in the same place as those fallen angels from Genesis 6, at the bottom of the bottom and in a cell with the worst of the worst... LOL...

[Quix]

I still don’t think any mortal has THE GREAT CATCHING AWAY all figured out accurately.

Nevertheless, my leaning is decidedly toward Pre-Trib.

I think it makes the best sense from the whole counsel of the whole of Scripture.

None of the interpretations seem to be without at least a curious complication or 3.

Evidently God wanted it that way. He will clarify it His way in His time.

We are to watch and be ready . . . and to

COMFORT ONE ANOTHER WITH THAT BLESSED HOPE.

I have a hard time thinking of patting one another on the back as we walk into the next Auschwitz etc. as being a GREAT COMFORT or A BLESSED HOPE.

[Quix]

quite plausibly.

[briarbey b]

God doesn’t chastise His flock when they are faithful to Him. Unlike times of tribulation in the past cast upon believers by those both out of fellowship and unbelievers, but the demonically influenced and demonically possessed, this Great Tribulation is described as directly caused by God Himself.
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WHEN did Satan become more powerful than God EVER? The enemy does NOT call the shots. People follow him but he is not in control and never has been.

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Fruchtenbaum lists 3 reasons for the Great Tribulation in his study of Scripture.

1) To make an end of wickedness and wicked ones. (Is 13:9 & Is 24:19-20)

2) To bring about worldwide revival. (Rev 7:1-17

3) To break the Power of the Holy People. (Dan 12:5-7 & Ez 20:33-38)
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1) I’ll agree with this, but that can be accomplished with a believer standing right beside them. As a matter of fact it states the wicked are removed to where you find vultures...I don’t want to go there.

2) This can’t be possible according to Rapture teaching as the Holy Spirit is removed from the earth...No Holy Spirit..no revival...or does He come back? Amazing..a ping pong Holy Spirit...man just bats Him around to where it fits man’s doctrine.

3) Will have to dig into this one...to short a phrase.. to easy to take out of context.

Good night..:)

[guitarplayer1953]

I wonder how they felt when they walked into the Roman games and sang as they turned them into human torches. We are to endure till the end is that the end of our big macs as we sit on our big back sides?

[Star Traveler]

You said — Nevertheless, my leaning is decidedly toward Pre-Trib.

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Well, with the pre-trib, mid-trib and pre-wrath — they all have more common characteristics than they do differences. AND, they all are *in common* with one another — and against those who deny the Rapture as a separate event.

All three of these agree that the Rapture “pre-wrath” (none of the three positions are around when the wrath of God is dispensed on earth). All three agree that the Rapture is a separate event as compared to Jesus coming to set up the Kingdom on earth. All three agree that this message of the Rapture is to be given to other Christians as a comforting message to them.

They all stand in stark contrast to some who say that there is a “rapture” at the time of the second coming (when Christ returns to set up the Kingdom). The only problem with *this rapture* — is that everyone will be wearing “neck braces” for the “whiplash” that they’ll get from being “taken up” and then immediately “swung around” to go back down to earth again... LOL...

[... it kinda makes you wonder why Jesus Christ will waste His time bringing us up to then “whip us around” to go back down again... some people think Christ likes to “whip us around” after “beating us up” on earth, during the Tribulation... :-) ...]

[Pajamajan]

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[SisterK]

I concur. I cannot find scripture to support that there is a pre-tribulation rapture. Nor can I find scripture to support that the Sabbath was changed to Sunday (Venerable Day of the Sun). Nobody hides from the tribulation but many will be deceived. Just hold tight to Jesus and sing your favorite hymn while you’re being starved, executed, or purified in the furnace. It will be worth it in the long run.

[Quix]

We appear to have a ring-side seat for finding out, one way or the other.

[Captain Beyond]

bump for later read

[Cvengr]

FWIW, I’ve found studying these doctrines, and those provided by authors such as Fruchtenbaum, or Pentecost, to be outstanding ways to focus on portions of Scripture, letting God do all the work in sanctifying my understanding of His Word.

In regards to the Holy Spirit being removed in the Great Tribulation (I believe there is another phrase used with explicit meaning, but the person is the same and the removal is the same, by His Sovereign Decision.),...

this aspect has led me to consider what might actually be happening during the Great Tribulation.

Note, that generally speaking, and some assert explicitly, the Church Age is unique, in that no other age in human history has God the Holy Spirit indwelt the body of each and every believer.

This doesn’t mean there haven’t been nor will not be believers in other ages.

We frequently slip into thinking all other ages of mankind are used in His Plan, in the same fashion the Church is used, but this isn’t accurate.

The point is not to argue secondary doctrines, but to note that Scripture simply points to the removal of the Comforter/Restrainer, and a Remnant is provided for by God.

IMHO, there might be a significant linkage to what the ‘abomination of desolation’ means, the mark of the beast, the identification of the Temple where the son of perdition is revealed, the Great Apostasy, and why God the Holy Spirit would be removed, and why God the Son opens the seals and returns at that time.

Think about it. There are believers and unbelievers all throughout Christiandom who have committed far more heinous acts and devoted themselves to the most antiChristian campaigns, yet have also found their way to faith in Christ by His work when compared to those who receive the mark of the beast.

Thomas himself denied Christ three times before our Lord was crucified, but the mark of the beast, simply to buy and sell, to eat food, to survive in an economy, is sufficient to result in later being cast into the Lake of Fire.

IMHO, the identification with the mark and that destination is indeed true, but not on the grounds of morality, nor in the type of sin being performed. IMHO, there is something unspoken there, that doesn’t need to be spoken, which accounts for this.

[Quix]

LOL.

[TenthAmendmentChampion]

I’m a pre-Tribulationist. Nothing else makes sense to me.

[Quix]

Well put.

[Quix]

Hmmmmm . . .

Ponder ponder . . .

[SisterK]

If there is a pre-tribulation rapture and then another rapture for those who come to their senses during the tribulation...Well, just how many raptures do you think there are?

[guitarplayer1953]

Quix I will be honest with you the main problem I have with the pre trib is that it makes bastard children of God out of the tribulation saints, Here you have a group who have been caught up in the air and become the Bride of Christ who may have or may have not ever seen any persecution in their lives and they are the bride. And then you have them who endured till the end did not take the mark of the beast who endured persecutions the whole tribulation period and they are not the bride? They become bastard children? Not in my book.