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Was the Sabbath kept before God gave the Ten Commandments?
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Posted on 05/22/2009 1:58:04 PM PDT by DouglasKC

Was the Sabbath kept
before God gave the Ten Commandments?


It is the purpose of this study to examine the records of Scripture and history to determine once and for all whether it is true that the Bible Sabbath was not observed between Adam and Moses, or whether the real truth is that there is considerable evidence of Sabbath­keeping in the books of Genesis and Exodus before the giving of the Ten Commandments.

In addition to Scripture, we shall call as witnesses many authors, men who were not at all biased in favor of the seventh day, but whose honest statements support what we believe to be the truth.

The Sabbath was created at the very beginning of human history.  In Genesis 2:1-3 we read that God blessed and sanctified the seventh day: 

"Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made."
The Hebrew word translated "sanctified" in Genesis 2:3 and "hallowed" in Exodus 20:11 is qadash, a word meaning "to hallow, to pronounce holy, to consecrate, to set apart for holy use." (1)

There is no denying that God was here setting aside the Sabbath as holy time.  Is it logical to believe that God first created man, then the Sabbath, and then failed to mention to man that the seventh day was holy time?  Certainly not!  God must have immediately explained to Adam all about His sacred seventh day.  We might say that God preached a sermon to Adam and Eve on the first Sabbath of human history, telling them how to observe His day as He wanted it to be observed.

Speaking on this point, John Newton Brown says:

"When it is therefore said by the inspired historian that God 'sanctified the seventh day,' I must understand him to say that God set it apart (from the other six days of labor), to be religiously employed by man." (2)

Jonathan Edwards says in one of his sermons:

"What could be the meaning of God's resting the seventh day, and hallowing and blessing it, which He did, before the giving of the fourth commandment, unless He hallowed and blessed it with respect to mankind? . . .  And it is unreasonable to suppose that He hallowed it only with respect to the Jews, a particular nation, which rose up above 2000 years after." (3)

In Mark 2:27, Jesus says:  "The Sabbath was made for man."  The Greek has an article before "man," so the phrase could be rendered, "The Sabbath was made for the man."  This is a likely reference to Adam, the first man and representative of the whole race that descended from him.  This reasonable conclusion — that Adam kept the Sabbath — is held by Jewish writers.  Solomon Goldman says:  "Both Philo and the Rabbis assumed that the first man emulated his Maker and rested on the Sabbath." (4)

John Kitto says:  

". . . the most judicious commentators agree that Adam and Eve constantly observed the seventh day, and dedicated it in a peculiar manner to the service of the Almighty; and that the first Sabbath . . .  was celebrated in Paradise itself, which pious custom [was] transmitted from our first parents to their posterity." (5)

The Pulpit Commentary tells us:

"Precisely, as we reason that the early and widespread prevalence of sacrifices can only be explained by an authoritative revelation to the first parents of the human family of such a mode of worship, so do we conclude that a seventh-day Sabbath must have been prescribed to man in Eden." (6)

These are sensible and logical conclusions.  It is just not reasonable to think that God would make the Sabbath for man and then keep it from him for over 2000 years until Moses.  So the only fair conclusion is that Adam and Even were keeping the Sabbath from the very beginning.

The very fact that the seven-day week existed, is good evidence the Sabbath also existed.  Joseph Scalinger is quoted as saying:  "The septenary arrangement of days was in use among the Orientals from the remotest antiquity." (7)  The arrangement of time into weeks of seven days carries with it the Sabbath, and Scaliger's statement is only one of many from authorities that the seven-day week is as old as the human race.

Here is another valuable statement from a magazine that the week is a "time unit that, unlike all others, has proceeded in absolute invariable manner since what may be called the dawn of history." (8)

A week of seven days is frequently met with in Scripture.  In Genesis 7:4 and 8:10 and 12 we see that Noah was acquainted with a seven-day week.  Unless the Sabbath was their pivot of time, people then could not have used such a measure of days.  In fact, the marginal rendering of Genesis 7:10 is "on the seventh day," a reference to nothing but the Sabbath.  We may be sure that Noah, a just man who walked with God (Genesis 6:9), knew about and kept God's seventh-day Sabbath.

In Genesis 29:27-28, we read that Jacob fulfilled a week for Rachel.  The week here is not synonymous with the seven years Jacob served Laban for Rachel, nor does it mean seven years passed before Jacob married Rachel.  The language shows Jacob married Rachel one week after he had married Leah, and then he served Laban another seven years, as explained in verses 29-30.

In Genesis 50:10, we find that Joseph mourned for his father Jacob seven days, that is, one week.  So Joseph knew about the seven-day week.

Exodus 7:25 mentions a seven-day period in the time of Moses just before the Exodus. This is certainly an exact week, for we read, "seven days were fulfilled."  In addition, Numbers 12:14-15 mentions a seven-day period following Israel's departure from Egypt and before they arrived at Mt. Sinai.

Again, in Judges 14:10-18, we read that Samson's marriage feast lasted for seven days, another reference to the week.

Once again, in Job 2:13, we are told that Job's three friends sat and grieved with him for seven days and seven nights — a complete week.

So it is obvious that a seven-day week with the seventh-day Sabbath was familiar to the patriarchs.  It is as John Dudley has written:

"Adam, when put in the Garden of Eden, was placed in a state of trial, and must have been subjected to the same laws, both moral and religious, as now are and ever have been obligatory on all his descendants." (9)

Of course he was subject to the same laws, and so were and are his descendants.  And one of those unchanging laws is the law of the Sabbath.

Martin Luther wrote:  "Adam . . . held the 'seventh day' sacred; that is, he taught on that day his own family." (10)  Luther is right. Having been told by God that the Sabbath was to be observed, he not only did so himself, but he certainly would have taught his family by precept and example to do the same.

This is proven in Genesis 4:3-4: 

"And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD, and Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock, and of the fat thereof."

The words "in process of time" are translated from the Hebrew mikkets yamim, meaning "at the end of the days."  This can only be telling us that on the Sabbath, Cain and Abel, with the rest of Adam's family, gathered to worship God.  Adam Clarke says,

"it is more probable that it means the Sabbath, on which Adam and his family undoubtedly offered oblations to God, as the divine worship was certainly instituted, and no doubt the Sabbath properly observed in that family." (11) 

Jamieson, Fausset, and Brown say it was "probably on the Sabbath." (12)

Another commentary has this to say:

"More likely this phrase denotes the Sabbath . . . the end of the weekdays.  And as it is plain that the Sabbath was observed as holy time since its formal institution by God in Paradise, it was doubtless kept holy by such appointments of worship as would distinguish the day." (13)

There is nothing in nature that can be pointed to as measuring the week; only the Sabbath marks it.  And only the Sabbath could come "at the end of days."  Clearly, the family of Adam and Eve kept every Sabbath sacred unto the Creator.

There is another interesting corroboration of the meaning of "at the end of the days" in 2Samuel 14:25-26.  We read that Absalom "polled his head . . . ."  The Hebrew for "at every year's end" is "from the end of days to days," that is, at stated times.  This reference, while of course not a reference to the Sabbath, nevertheless shows such Hebrew expressions as are found here and in Genesis 4:3, refer to definite and specific stated times, one of which is the Sabbath. (14)

James Gilfillian, in his book on the Sabbath, has some valuable things to say about the account of the worship of Cain and Abel.  He says: 

"Cain and Abel came together for Divine service.  They were not the only persons present, as appears from Cain's postponement of his murderous deed till he and his victim were out of the sight of others in the field." (15)  

He goes on to point out that:

"the Hebrew word for 'brought' is used never in reference to private and domestic sacrifices, but always of such as were in the times of the Jewish polity brought to the door of the tabernacle of the congregation." (16)

As Gilfillian remarks earlier:  "The prevalence of public worship, with its various accessories, necessarily implies the obligation and observance of a Sabbath." (17)  Yes, without question, Cain and Abel, like all the family of Adam, regularly observed the Sabbath.  In so doing, they were keeping an institution given to Adam at the very beginning.

The next man of God with whom we meet, was certainly keeping the Sabbath, is Enoch. In the Old Testament apocryphal books, in Jubilees 4:18, we read of Enoch that he "recounted the Sabbaths of the years." (18)

Lange, in his Commentary, says:  "Enoch, we cannot hesitate to believe, kept holy Sabbath, or holy seventh day . . . ." (19)

Genesis 5:24 says Enoch walked with God.  Hebrews 11:5 says he pleased God.  Unless he was keeping God's laws, including the Sabbath, Enoch could have neither walked with God, nor pleased Him.  To suggest that he did not know about the Sabbath when his ancestors did is to suggest God dealt differently with men from generation to generation, something utterly contrary to God's nature.

Here is an interesting quotation from the Church Father Tertullian, who was certainly no friend of the Sabbath: 

". . . Adam observed the Sabbath  . . . Abel, when offering to God a holy victim, pleased Him by a religious reverence for the Sabbath;  . . . Enoch, when translated, had been a keeper of the Sabbath . . . ." (20)

Next we come to Noah.  We have already seen that he was well aware of the week.  This man who walked with God (Genesis 6:9) certainly knew and kept the Sabbath.  The reference to Noah building an altar to worship God in Genesis 8:20, follows Sabbath references in verses 10 and 12, which suggests he built an altar and worshipped God immediately upon leaving the ark, very possibly on the following Sabbath.

Here is another proof that Noah kept the Sabbath.  Peter calls Noah a preacher of righteousness (2 Peter 2:5).  Psalm 119:172 says of God:  "All Thy commandments are righteousness."  So righteousness amounts to being a commandment keeper.  If Noah preached commandment-keeping to those around him, then he kept the commandments himself, and one of the commandments he certainly was keeping was the Sabbath.

Our next witness is Job, a man we have already seen knew of the week.  This man is described by God Himself in Job 1:8 and 2:3 as perfect and upright, fearing God and eschewing evil, a man like whom there was no one else in the earth.  Job was so careful about the possibility of sin that we read in Job 1:5 that he offered burnt offerings for his children after they had feasts because they might have sinned and cursed God in their hearts.  He did this continually.  Here was a man who truly feared and served God.  Such a man certainly would have kept God's Sabbath.

We even find hints that Job may have been directly involved in conducting worship.  In Job 4:3-4 we read that he had "instructed many" and his words had "upholden him that was falling."  The patriarch says of himself in Job 30:28:  "I stood up, and I cried in the congregation."  Finally, in Job 42:8-9, God commands Job's three friends to offer seven bullocks and seven rams as a burnt offering while Job prays for them.  When they did this, God accepted Job.  All of this could have taken place the very next Sabbath.

Moving on from Job, we pass through the patriarchal period, a time when some claim there is no hint of Sabbath observance.  But this claim is unfounded and will not stand up.  Matthew Henry says in his Commentary:

"Sabbaths are as ancient as the world; and I see no reason to doubt that the Sabbath  . . . was religiously observed by the people of God throughout the patriarchal age." (21)

Lange, whom we quoted above, says this:

"To object that the Bible, in its few brief memoranda of their [the patriarchs'] lives, says nothing about their Sabbath-keeping, any more than it tells us of their forms of prayer and modes of worship, is a worthless argument." (22)

Joseph H. Hertz says: 

"Abraham . . . Isaac . . . Jacob.  The Patriarchs are often represented as having observed the Sabbath." (23)

In a prayer used in Jewish afternoon Sabbath services, the following statement occurs in reference to the Sabbath:  "Abraham was glad, Isaac rejoiced, Jacob and his sons rested thereon." (24)

Cunningham Geikie has this to say about Abraham:

"No details are given of the creed of Abraham, but . . . it must have included all that was true in the popular beliefs of Chaldea.  This would imply his knowledge of the Sabbath; for the seventh day, by a tradition handed down from Eden, was 'holy' in his Eastern native land, and was honored by the cessation of all work on it." (25)

Of course the patriarchs kept the Sabbath.  What do we read of Abraham?  In Genesis 26:5, God says, "Abraham obeyed My voice, and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws."  That has to include the Sabbath.

Furthermore, Abraham would have passed on the true worship of the true God to his children and their children, including Isaac and Jacob, for we read in Genesis 18:19 that God said:  "For I know him, that he will command his children and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of the LORD."

One function of patriarchal worship we find mentioned a number of times is the building of altars:  Abraham in Genesis 12:7-8, 13:4 and 18, and 22:9; Isaac in Genesis 26:25; Jacob in Genesis 33:20 and 35:1, 3 and 7.  Also, Genesis 21:33 tells us that Abraham planted a grove and called on the name of the everlasting God.  In every case (except probably the sacrifice of Isaac) building an altar and calling upon God must have included Sabbath worship.

Next we come to Moses and Aaron.  It is frequently suggested that Israel, while living so long in bondage in Egypt, forgot the Sabbath and perhaps were not even able to keep it under the hardships of their slavery.  But there is considerable reason to think this is not true.

Certainly Joshua 24:14 tells us at least some of the Israelites served false gods in Egypt.  But there is no reason to assume this means every one of them did.  God always preserves for Himself a remnant, however small (cp. I Kings 19:18).  While some or many of the Israelites may have worshipped Egyptian idols, the family of Moses is proof that not all did, and Exodus 1:17 mentions the midwives who feared God.

Furthermore, the Midrash records the following: 

"He [Moses] saw that they had no rest, so he went to Pharaoh and said: If one has a slave and he does not give him rest one day in the week he dies; similarly, if thou wilt not give thy slaves one day in the week rest, they will die.  Pharaoh replied:  Go and do with them as thou sayest.  Thereupon Moses ordained for them the Sabbath day for rest." (26)

Further along we find this:

". . . the Israelites possessed scrolls with the contents of which they regaled themselves . . .  each Sabbath, assuring them that God would redeem them.  Thus because they rested on the Sabbath, Pharaoh said to them:  Let heavier work be laid upon the men, that they may labour therein: and let them not regard lying words . . . let them not take delight or rest on the Sabbath day. " (27)

In Exodus 5:1 and 10:9 we read that Moses and Aaron said to Pharaoh that he should let Israel go to keep a feast unto God.  Gilfillian points out the feast may have been the Sabbath because of Pharaoh's words in Exodus 5:4-5:  "Wherefore do ye, Moses and Aaron, let the people from their works?  . . . ye make them rest [sabbatize] from their burdens."  He then adds that immediately upon leaving Egypt they kept the Sabbath (Exodus 16), and that in Exodus 12 the Passover references to seven days, to rest from work, and keeping a holy convocation, all suggest Israel was already well acquainted with such things. (28)

Perhaps the most striking proof that the Sabbath was well-known before the giving of the law at Mt. Sinai, is found in Exodus 16, three to four weeks before Israel arrived at Mt. Sinai.  In this chapter the Sabbath is seen as something known and accepted.  But whether new or not, this is emphatically before the giving of the Ten Commandments.

In verses 22-24, Israel was told to gather enough manna for two days and promised that it would not breed worms or putrefy (stink).  In verse 25 Moses tells them the next day is the Sabbath, and he repeats it in verse 26.  When some of the people broke the Sabbath by looking for manna on that day, verse 27, God angrily demands to know how long Israel was going to refuse to keep His laws, specifically the Sabbath, verses 28-29.  So then the people rested on the Sabbath, verse 30.

If the Sabbath was so new to Israel, just announced to them in fact the day before, it is understandable some could have been confused about its proper observance.  In such a case, God's anger hardly seems justified if He had just introduced the Sabbath the day before.  No, Israel had long known of the Sabbath, and God's anger was aroused because some of the people failed to honor His day as He had directed.

The Sabbath was a well-known institution in Israel, something they had been acquainted with long before this time.  The Catholic Encyclopedia tells us: 

"The Sabbath is first met with in connexion [sic] with the fall of the manna . . . but it there appears to be an institution already well-known to the Israelites." (29)

Adam Clarke has this to say:

"There is nothing in either text or context that seems to intimate that the Sabbath was now first given to the Israelites, as some have supposed:  on the contrary, it is here spoken of as being perfectly well known, from its having been generally observed." (30)

Joseph H. Hertz, speaking of Exodus 20:8, comments:

"The use of the word 'remember' may indicate that the institution was well-known to the Israelites, long before their manna experiences; that it was a treasured and sacred institution inherited from the days of the Patriarchs." (31)

Samuel Wakefield, in discussing the mention of the Sabbath in this case, says that it was

"the recognition of an institution which had been observed from the beginning, and had never been either forgotten or suspended." 

He adds,

"There is not the slightest intimation in the passage that the event which it records was the original institution of the Sabbath,"

but rather, he says,

"The contrary seems to be the natural inference from the whole narrative.  The Sabbath is spoken of exactly in the manner in which a historian would speak of a well-known institution." (32)

Yes, when God says in Exodus 20:8 to "Remember the Sabbath day," He is referring to something Israel already knew, or they could not have "remembered" it.  Sir Charles Marston writes:  "The very word 'Remember' presupposes that the Sabbath day was already in existence . . . ." (33)

Another writer observes:

"The use of 'remember' in connection with the fourth commandment implies that the weekly rest day was not a new institution.  It was observed before Sinai was reached.  The Sabbath was a recognized institution long before the days of Moses." (34)

Wakefield, in discussing the giving of the Ten Commandments, makes the following remarks: 

"We are not to suppose that the Decalogue imposed new duties upon men which had never been before required.  It only enjoined those which had been previously instituted . . . The giving of the Decalogue, therefore, did not originate the laws which it contains, but was only a republication of them in a new and convenient form, and under circumstances which were calculated to make them most solemnly impressive." (35)

He then offers these cogent observations:

"The fourth commandment contains two distinct allusions to the previous institution of the Sabbath.   The first is in the clause 'Remember the Sabbath day,' which represents the Sabbath as having been previously instituted . . . . The second is in the reason assigned for keeping the Sabbath.  It is 'the Sabbath of the LORD thy God' the day in which He 'rested' from all His creative work.  'Wherefore, the LORD blessed the Sabbath day, and hallowed it.'  Thus the seventh day was set apart from the beginning as a holy day of sacred rest." (36)

Charles Buck says the fact that the Sabbath is not mentioned in the patriarchal age is no proof against it, any more than "it is against its existence from Moses to the end of David's reign, which was near 440 years." (37)

We have seen that the Sabbath was generally observed from Adam to Moses, and, as Buck says, it was certainly observed during the reign of David, a man after God's own heart (1Samuel 13:14).  There are many references in the Psalms to worshipping before God and in God's house, all of which imply Sabbath worship and Sabbath-keeping.

The evidence is now complete, irrefutable, and satisfying to any honest mind.  The Sabbath was kept by God's faithful people from Adam to Moses, honored and observed by those who walked with God.  To say there is no indication of Sabbath observance between Adam and Moses is to show a total lack of knowledge of the facts.

Footnotes

1.  Benjamin Davies, ed., Hebrew and Chaldee Lexicon, p. 554.
2.  John Newton Brown, The Obligation of the Sabbath, p. 48.
3.  Jonathan Edwards, Sermon XIII, Works, Vol. II, p. 95.
4.  Solomon Goldman, The Book of Human Destiny, Vol. 2, "In the Beginning," p. 744.
5.  John Kitto, An Illustrated History of the Holy Bible, p. 47.
6.  The Pulpit Commentary, Vol. I, p. 36.
7.   Joseph J. Scaliger, De Emendatione Temporum, lib. 1, quoted by James Gilfillian, The Sabbath Viewed in the Light of Reason, Revelation, and History, pp. 364-5.
8.   Nature, June 6, 1931.
9.   John Dudley, Naology; or, a Treatise on the Origin, Progress, and Symbolical Import of the Sacred Structures of the Most Eminent Nations and Ages of the World, p. 47.
10.   Martin Luther, Commentary on Genesis, Vol. I, p. 139.
11.   Adam Clarke, Commentary, Vol. I, p. 58.
12.   Robert Jamieson, A. R. Fausset, and David Brown, A Commentary . . . on the Old and New Testaments, Vol. I, p. 20.
13.   Melanchton W. Jacobus, Notes . . . on the Book of Genesis, p. 133.
14.  On this, see Thomas Scott, The Holy Bible . . . with Explanatory Notes, Vol. II, p. 152.
15.   James Gilfillian, The Sabbath, p. 281.
16.   Ibid., pp. 281-282.
17.  Ibid., p. 281.
18.   Jubilees 4:18, in R. H. Charles', Apocrypha and Pseudepigrapha of the Old Testament, Vol. II, p. 18.
19.   John Peter Lange, A Commentary on the Holy Scriptures, Vol. I, p. 197.
20.  Tertullian, An Answer to the Jews, chap. IV, "Of the Observance of the Sabbath," Ante-Nicene Fathers, Vol. III, p. 155.
21.   Matthew Henry, A Commentary on the Holy Bible, Vol. I, p. 8.
22.   Lange, op. cit.
23.  Joseph H. Hertz, The Authorized Daily Prayer Book, p. 579.
24.   Samuel M. Segal, The Sabbath Book, p. 122.
25.   Cunningham Geikie, Hours With the Bible, Vol. I, p. 258.
26.   Midrash Rabbah, Exodus, Soncino ed., on Exodus 8:28, p. 35.
27.   Ibid., on Exodus 5:18, p. 98.
28.   Gilfillian, op. cit., p. 284.
29.   The Catholic Encyclopedia, Vol. XIII, art. "Sabbath," p. 288.
30.   Clarke, op. cit., Vol. I, p. 386.
31.   Joseph H. Hertz, ed., The Pentateuch and Haftorahs, p. 297.
32.   Samuel Wakefield, A Complete System of Christian Theology, p. 503.
33.   Sir Charles Marston, New Bible Evidence, p. 207.
34.   Henry T. Scholl, quoting H. Clay Trumbull, New York Christian Observer, December 24, 1913.
35.   Wakefield, op. cit., p. 505.
36.   Ibid.
37.  Charles Buck, A Theological Dictionary, art. "Sabbath," p. 403.

Written By: Sabbath Research Center
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1 posted on 05/22/2009 1:58:05 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC; Star Traveler; Quix

Ten Commandments?

Where have you been?

The History Channel says Moses was given
300 commandments... dontcha know? / Sarc


2 posted on 05/22/2009 1:59:57 PM PDT by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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3 posted on 05/22/2009 2:00:00 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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And yet, the NFL sprang into existence anyway! And college football, which messed up both possible Sabbath days!

(Interesting article — I want to study it at leisure).


4 posted on 05/22/2009 2:00:25 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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Interesting question. bookmarking to read later. thanks.


5 posted on 05/22/2009 2:02:06 PM PDT by BlueStateBlues (Blue State business, Red State heart. . . . .Palin 2012----can't come soon enough!)
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To: Jo Nuvark

>>The History Channel says Moses was given
300 commandments... dontcha know? / Sarc

History of the world Part I: “I bring you 15 *crash* .. uh, 10 Commandments!”


6 posted on 05/22/2009 2:03:56 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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I thought you might be interested in this...


7 posted on 05/22/2009 2:06:47 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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All that jiberish and nobody really knows what “day” the sabbath really is.


8 posted on 05/22/2009 2:10:15 PM PDT by freeplancer
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To: DouglasKC

Comment later about how the Sabbath has shifted from the seventh day of the week to Christ, Who is our “rest” every day of the week.


9 posted on 05/22/2009 2:10:57 PM PDT by LiteKeeper (When do the impeachment proceedings begin?)
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All that jiberish and nobody really knows what “day” the sabbath really is.

Says who?

10 posted on 05/22/2009 2:12:31 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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11 posted on 05/22/2009 2:14:09 PM PDT by Sudetenland (Partial-birth abortions are state sanctioned torture/murder.)
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To: DouglasKC

The words say ‘Remember thou keep holy the sabbath day’ would indicate that they are being told to maintain a tradition that had been a part of their culture.


12 posted on 05/22/2009 2:21:01 PM PDT by maxwellsmart_agent
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To: DouglasKC
Any "scholarly" article that begins by talking about the "real truth" has already lost my respect.
13 posted on 05/22/2009 2:21:02 PM PDT by Sudetenland (Partial-birth abortions are state sanctioned torture/murder.)
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To: Jo Nuvark
Actually there are almost 700 commandments ... the Ten (otherwise known as the "Decalogue" were just a few taken out which were the most important because they were based on religious and moral imperatives Then too, there really are only nine commandments ... the first is a statement ....

"I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery; "

All the rest of the six hundred or so Commandments had to do with other things such as dietary laws, etc.

14 posted on 05/22/2009 2:24:39 PM PDT by SkyDancer ('Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..' ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: freedumb2003

BTTT


15 posted on 05/22/2009 2:24:51 PM PDT by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: Jo Nuvark; DouglasKC; Quix

You said — The History Channel says Moses was given 300 commandments... dontcha know? / Sarc

Well, God did give him the 10 Commandments, to be sure — but somehow, the Jews ended up with 613 commandments... hoo-boy!

If you want to see all 613, they are here with the Scripture references, too... LOL...

http://www.religionfacts.com/judaism/practices/613.htm


16 posted on 05/22/2009 2:25:43 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: DouglasKC
The Shabbat was given to Israel alone. Non-Jews are actually forbidden to observe Shabbat (at least with regard to the prohibitions; the positive aspects such as candle lighting and the three ritual meals may actually be required).

Shabbat was given to Israel shortly before they arrived at Mt. Sinai when they were told not to gather man ("manna") on the Seventh Day of the week. However, the 'Avot (Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob) had already intuited all the commandments of the Torah according to the Sages.

17 posted on 05/22/2009 2:26:03 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Haqrev 'et-matteh Levi veha`amadta 'oto lifney 'Aharon HaKohen; vesheretu 'oto.)
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To: LiteKeeper
"Who is our “rest” every day of the week."

The same One who said "If you love me, keep my commandments". Notice how the Fourth commandment says "Remember" as if the people would FORGET to worship as HE commanded.

18 posted on 05/22/2009 2:26:13 PM PDT by BipolarBob (It takes a Kenyan village to raise a US president.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
"The Shabbat was given to Israel alone."

Were they not to be the light of the world and share the worship and knowledge of the God of Abraham OR hide it under a basket?

19 posted on 05/22/2009 2:27:59 PM PDT by BipolarBob (It takes a Kenyan village to raise a US president.)
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To: freeplancer
All that jiberish and nobody really knows what “day” the sabbath really is.

God knows. The seven day week has not been broken since the time of Moses.

20 posted on 05/22/2009 2:29:38 PM PDT by BipolarBob (It takes a Kenyan village to raise a US president.)
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To: Star Traveler; SkyDancer

I believe the History Channel was trying to say
that Moses stole the law from Hammurabi’s Stele.
http://www.wcg.org/lit/bible/law/steal10.htm

Yes... there are many more “civil” laws in the
Bible. But the Ten Commandments are uniquely
Spiritual and relational.


21 posted on 05/22/2009 2:32:51 PM PDT by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
The Shabbat was given to Israel alone.

Well, yes and no.

Non-Jews are actually forbidden to observe Shabbat (at least with regard to the prohibitions;

It depends on whether one follows the dictates of the Jewish tradition or not. I would say that biblically speaking those who join themselves to Israel through Christ become partakers of the blessings promised to Israel, including the blessing of the sabbath.

Eph 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
Eph 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ

Shabbat was given to Israel shortly before they arrived at Mt. Sinai when they were told not to gather man ("manna") on the Seventh Day of the week. However, the 'Avot (Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob) had already intuited all the commandments of the Torah according to the Sages.

The article presents a number of interesting passages about sabbath observance even before Abraham.

22 posted on 05/22/2009 2:33:47 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: Jo Nuvark
I believe the History Channel was trying to say that Moses stole the law from Hammurabi’s Stele.

I kept getting sucked into watching those History Channel bible things until I realized they were mostly only interested in tearing down biblical accounts.

23 posted on 05/22/2009 2:36:01 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: Sudetenland

Wow! GREAT movie cap!


24 posted on 05/22/2009 2:40:59 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: DouglasKC

>>I kept getting sucked into watching those History Channel bible things until I realized they were mostly only interested in tearing down biblical accounts.

Bill Handle, the local morning drive guy, calls it “The Hitler Channel” because most of the content is about Hitler.


25 posted on 05/22/2009 2:42:18 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: DouglasKC

[... History Channel only interested in tearing down biblical accounts...]

Yup!

Love “The Naked Archeologist”, Simcha Jacobovici.


26 posted on 05/22/2009 2:43:12 PM PDT by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: LiteKeeper

Better: Christ, Who is our rest every day of the “weak”.


27 posted on 05/22/2009 2:45:40 PM PDT by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: freedumb2003
Bill Handle, the local morning drive guy, calls it “The Hitler Channel” because most of the content is about Hitler.

How much material can there possibly be about Hitler? They do seem to have an awful lot of shows about him.

28 posted on 05/22/2009 2:52:52 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC

>>How much material can there possibly be about Hitler? They do seem to have an awful lot of shows about him.<<

Thus the moniker.


29 posted on 05/22/2009 2:57:51 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: freedumb2003

Google is great! Google is great! :)


30 posted on 05/22/2009 3:04:49 PM PDT by Sudetenland (Partial-birth abortions are state sanctioned torture/murder.)
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To: Jo Nuvark; SkyDancer

Ahhh..., I see...

But, I just went back to Exodus to read that part again, and no matter what the History Channel says, that’s not what the Bible says... (of course I know you know that... :-) ...).

It’s interesting to read it again, because I think, sometimes, I forget what actually happened, as the Bible tells us. Maybe I’ve seen the movie, the Ten Commandments, just one time too many and it’s clouding my memory. I hope people don’t think that the movie is actually what happened... LOL...

I’m going to go back over the books of Moses once again, and get another good reading out of it.

Just for sake or recalling some of those things that happened. Do you remember reading that Moses and some others from Israel (the seventy elders, I believe) sat down and had dinner in the presence of the God of Israel?

Well..., anyway, there’s a lot there to refresh my memory....


31 posted on 05/22/2009 3:05:19 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: Jo Nuvark

The History Channel is a joke ... there’s been so many “Liberal” theologians (so-called) that every so often bring up the Hammurabi’s similarities to the Ten Commandments ...and as I mentioned, the “Ten” are for spiritual and moral laws ....


32 posted on 05/22/2009 3:07:42 PM PDT by SkyDancer ('Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..' ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Sudetenland

Your Google-fu is strong, indeed.


33 posted on 05/22/2009 3:08:05 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: freeplancer
I prefer black sabbath :-) Image:Black sabbath title.jpg
34 posted on 05/22/2009 3:10:25 PM PDT by buzzer
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To: Zionist Conspirator; DouglasKC

Here’s a note on the subject from the Center for Judaic-Christian Studies


Is the Sabbath Made for Man, or Not?
AUTHOR: Dwight A. Pryor

JESUS SAID, “The Sabbath was made for humankind” (Mark 2:27 NRSV). But for centuries the Church has argued that the Sabbath was made for Jews. The seventh-day commemoration of the creation is not for Christians, said the Church Fathers, because it was superseded by the eighth day of resurrection and the new creation in Christ. So Jews worship on Saturday but Christians worship on Sunday.

Without dispute, the Sabbath is precious to Israel and uniquely and indelibly connected to the Jewish people. Following the Exodus from Egypt, God brought Israel to Mt. Sinai, and there like a loving bridegroom invited her to become His bride—i.e., to affirm and renew the covenant He first cut with Abraham. After hearing the Ten Words read—a ketubah of sorts—Israel with one voice affirmed: “All that Adonai has spoken we will do!” (Exo 24:7).

As an eternal sign (’ot olam) of this perpetual covenant, God gave Israel the precious gift of Shabbat. Like a wedding ring, it will forever symbolize their exclusive covenant union (31:16-17). This is why the prophets like Jeremiah could view Sabbath observance as a singular sign of Israel’s covenant fidelity or lack thereof. Whenever Israel removed her ‘wedding ring’, invariably she was going whoring after other ba’alim or husbands.

So important was the Sabbath to the vitality and viability of this covenant relationship with the Lord that nonobservance required the offender to be cut off from the community (31:14). Honoring the seventh day took precedence even over construction of the Mishkan or Tabernacle (35:2-3ff). Honoring God by sanctifying time has a higher priority than constructing Him a sanctuary in space.

So yes, the Sabbath is uniquely for the Jews. As oft noted, it has kept Israel even more than Israel has kept it. The Jewish people are the “personal property” of the King (19:5); even so they treasure Shabbat as a Queen. IN WHAT SENSE THEN can we say that “the Sabbath is for humankind”—including Christians who also wish to honor God by remembering Shabbat?

A clue to the universal character of the Sabbath can actually be found in the Ten Commandments, of which there are two records: Exodus 20 and the repetition thereof in Deuteronomy 5. The two versions essentially are identical except for one word. One enjoins “Remember” (zachor) the seventh day and the other to “Observe” (shamor) it.

Note that the reason given for “remembering” the Sabbath is the creation (Exo 20:11). Whereas the covenant obligation to “keep” or “observe” the Sabbath stems from the redemption from Egypt (Deut 5:15). Obviously both aspects are relevant to Israel, but perhaps at another level we see here a basis for humankind honoring the Sabbath as well. After all, long before the Mosaic covenant with Israel was struck at Sinai, God created adam (humankind) in the Garden and then ceased from His labors. Shabbat was a universal creation principle before it became a particular covenant precept.

For everyone created in the image of God, therefore, surely it is good and wise to emulate our Creator by resting from our labor and to honor Him by sanctifying the seventh day. Properly practiced, in joy, Shabbat can restore the soul, build up the family and draw us closer to God.

A careful examination of the gospel accounts reveals that Yeshua observed the Sabbath as a devout Jew. (After all, to do otherwise would have been to sin). Against some of his supercilious critics, wont to impose stifling restrictions, Jesus stressed that the Sabbath is intended by God to be life-affirming and a blessing. It is for man.

The first church, like Jesus, continued to honor the Sabbath and to worship at the synagogue. But as Shabbat ended they would gather from house to house “on the first day of the week” (Acts 20:7) for instruction from the apostles and for fellowship, and to set aside contributions for the needy (1 Cor 16:2). In other words, they honored the Creator and God of Israel on the Sabbath as well as assembled on Sunday in remembrance of their risen Lord. These need not be mutually exclusive.

Shabbat should be an enormous blessing for everyone, for Jew and Christian, for families and communities. The Sabbath is for humankind. You have Jesus’ word on it!



35 posted on 05/22/2009 3:21:33 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: BipolarBob
Were they not to be the light of the world and share the worship and knowledge of the God of Abraham OR hide it under a basket?

You obviously didn't read my post very carefully. I said the prohibitions may not be observed by non-Jews, but the positive commandments, such as lighting the candles and the three festive meals, not only may, but may even be mandatory in the Messianic era.

Israel's mission is to compel the nations of the world to observe the Seven Noachide Laws. And those laws forbid complete Shabbat observance, as Jews practice it, to non-Jews.

You're making this way more complicated than it is.

36 posted on 05/22/2009 3:29:03 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Haqrev 'et-matteh Levi veha`amadta 'oto lifney 'Aharon HaKohen; vesheretu 'oto.)
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To: DouglasKC
Non-Jews are actually forbidden to observe Shabbat (at least with regard to the prohibitions;

It depends on whether one follows the dictates of the Jewish tradition or not. I would say that biblically speaking those who join themselves to Israel through Christ become partakers of the blessings promised to Israel, including the blessing of the sabbath.

And there's where you jump the track.

"Biblically speaking" and "chr*stianity" simply don't go together.

37 posted on 05/22/2009 3:31:04 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Haqrev 'et-matteh Levi veha`amadta 'oto lifney 'Aharon HaKohen; vesheretu 'oto.)
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To: Star Traveler
::Sigh::

I love you philo-Semitic Fundamentalist Protestants--I used to be one of you--but your great flaw is that you simply refuse to even consider that chr*stianity is neither Biblical nor Jewish.

Somewhere deep in your hearts you imagine that G-d gave Moses a "Torah" with the Epistle to the Ephesians in it. Your mind knows this is not true, but your heart is sure that it is.

38 posted on 05/22/2009 3:33:23 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Haqrev 'et-matteh Levi veha`amadta 'oto lifney 'Aharon HaKohen; vesheretu 'oto.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Yeah, we love you too


39 posted on 05/22/2009 3:51:27 PM PDT by DeLaine (Navy blue)
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To: freedumb2003

May the Farce be with you young padawan.


40 posted on 05/22/2009 3:58:48 PM PDT by Sudetenland (Partial-birth abortions are state sanctioned torture/murder.)
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To: Sudetenland

Getting the right speeder is always a problem... ;)


41 posted on 05/22/2009 4:00:55 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: DouglasKC

Did Abraham or Noah keep kosher?


42 posted on 05/22/2009 4:39:16 PM PDT by 240B (he is doing everything he said he would'nt and not doing what he said he would)
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To: 240B
Did Abraham or Noah keep kosher?

I believe they knew the clean and unclean food designations and didn't eat unclean. For example:

Gen 7:2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.

If by "kosher" you mean the traditions and rules built up by the Jewish religion over time then probably not.

43 posted on 05/22/2009 5:16:37 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC

Thank you. I have a couple of good ones for you concerning Rabbinic kasrut.

When Yitzak was in the tent, Esu went hunting to bring him meat. You cannot shecht a deer with an arrow or a spear.

Avraham served the shalosh hanalachim hema v basar (butter and meat)

Al tevashel gedi ba HALAV emo (do not cook a kid in it’s mother’s milk) could also read, HELEV emo (womb of the mother)

It is forbidden to eat the egg and the hen. However today it is very possible to eat the egg and the hen. How could you know?

Anyway, just a few for your consideration.

Thanks again


44 posted on 05/22/2009 5:46:56 PM PDT by 240B (he is doing everything he said he would'nt and not doing what he said he would)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

You said — I love you philo-Semitic Fundamentalist Protestants...

You can save yourself some typing by just saying “Christians”... LOL...

As far as Christianity being neither Biblical or Jewish, well..., I just don’t know where to start on that one. For some reason, I kept thinking that it sounded similar to saying that the Pope wasn’t Catholic... You know..., you just don’t know where to start with that one.

I think I’ll have to go back to the Bible see what the Apostle Paul and the other Apostles said...


45 posted on 05/22/2009 5:52:01 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: Zionist Conspirator
And there's where you jump the track.
"Biblically speaking" and "chr*stianity" simply don't go together.

Sometimes looking at modern Christianity and comparing it to the scripture it may seem that way.

46 posted on 05/22/2009 6:27:54 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: Zionist Conspirator
Israel's mission is to compel the nations of the world to observe the Seven Noachide Laws. And those laws forbid complete Shabbat observance, as Jews practice it, to non-Jews.

Does scripture tell you this or does tradition tell you this?

47 posted on 05/22/2009 6:29:40 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: BipolarBob

“God knows. The seven day week has not been broken since the time of Moses.”

You people are funny when you act like you know what many scholars still don’t know. Maybe that is why there are hundreds of “christian” denominations who can’t agree on “what the bible says”.


48 posted on 05/22/2009 6:45:51 PM PDT by freeplancer
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To: freeplancer; BipolarBob
You people are funny when you act like you know what many scholars still don’t know. Maybe that is why there are hundreds of “christian” denominations who can’t agree on “what the bible says”.

There certainly is a lot of confusion in Christianity, but that's not God's fault. It's source lies elsewhere:

1Co 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

But concerning the 7th day sabbath it's pretty clear when it is:

Exo 16:23 And he said unto them, This is that which the LORD hath said, Tomorrow is the rest of the holy sabbath unto the LORD: bake that which ye will bake today, and seethe that ye will seethe; and that which remaineth over lay up for you to be kept until the morning.

Israel was told when the sabbath was. Since then it's been preserved throughout the centuries, mostly by the Jewish religion.

49 posted on 05/22/2009 7:12:51 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC

I think too: When did you begin to observe it? In a real sense, that’s it’s true beginning.


50 posted on 05/22/2009 7:39:54 PM PDT by onedoug
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