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Mary not just for Catholics anymore
Catholic News Service ^ | Dec-8-2006 | Patricia Zapor

Posted on 06/18/2009 4:02:05 PM PDT by bronxville

Mary not just for Catholics anymore

By Patricia Zapor Catholic News Service

WASHINGTON (CNS) -- As publications from Time magazine to Christianity Today have discovered recently, Mary, the mother of Jesus, is not just for Catholics anymore.

Features on Mary are perennial favorites for editors looking for a religion-themed story before Christmas, and in the last few years many of these articles have focused on the increasing popularity of Mary among Protestants.

Marianist Father Thomas Thompson, editor of the Marian Library Newsletter at the University of Dayton in Ohio, points out that the expanding Protestant acceptance of Mary is based upon a strictly scriptural view of her, rather than on any change in Protestant theology.

Some Catholic doctrines about Mary, such as the Immaculate Conception -- the belief that she was conceived without sin -- remain controversial among Protestants, Father Thompson said. But as anti-Catholicism has waned among Protestants, the barriers to Episcopalians, Baptists and evangelicals turning to Mary have faded as well.

"We're very happy to see others taking an interest in Mary," he said in a telephone interview with Catholic News Service.

Timothy George, dean of Beeson Divinity School at Samford University, a Baptist college in Birmingham, Ala., wrote recently that "it is time for evangelicals to recover a fully biblical appreciation of the Blessed Virgin Mary and her role in the history of salvation, and to do so precisely as evangelicals." George's comments appeared in the December 2003 issue of Christianity Today and in a 2004 collection of essays by various theologians, "Mary: Mother of God."

"We may not be able to recite the rosary or kneel down before statues of Mary, but we need not throw her overboard," George wrote.

In the magazine, he quoted an early 20th-century Southern Baptist New Testament scholar, A.T. Robertson, who said Mary "has not had fair treatment either from Protestants or Catholics." Robertson argued that while Catholics have "deified" Mary evangelicals have coldly neglected her.

"We have been afraid to praise and esteem Mary for her full worth," said George, citing Robertson, "lest we be accused of leanings and sympathy with Catholics."

George's article went on to explain historical, scriptural and theological reasons why Protestants should embrace Mary.

"We need not go through Mary in order to get to Jesus," George concluded, "but we can join with Mary in pointing others to him."

Another recent book, "Blessed One," is a collection of 11 essays about Mary by Protestant scholars.

In their introduction, editors Beverly Roberts Gaventa and Cynthia L. Rigby, professors at Princeton Theological Seminary in New Jersey and Austin Presbyterian Theological Seminary in Texas, respectively, said their goal for the book was to help Protestants think in new ways about Mary, "blessing her and being blessed by her."

"She is a person of faith who does not always understand but who seeks to put her trust in God," they wrote.

For Muslims, on the other hand, Mary has always been a part of the picture.

John Alden Williams, professor emeritus in the humanities of religion at the College of William and Mary in Virginia, is a Catholic historian who has studied Islamic civilization and religion. He and fellow William and Mary professor James A. Bill published "Roman Catholics and Shi'i Muslims" in 2002.

It notes that two sections of the Quran, the sacred book of Islam, are devoted to Mary, known there as Maryam. She is recognized as the purified woman chosen to be the mother of the promised Messiah. Islam considers Jesus an important prophet, but not the incarnation of God.

Williams explained in a phone interview that, like Catholics, Shiite Muslims, who are a minority compared to the vastly more numerous Sunni Muslims, believe in intercessory prayer through saints and other holy people. That includes Mary, who is highly revered as a mediatrix between humans and God, or Allah. Sufis, another Islamic sect, also believe in intercession.

In Sunni Islam, "the whole idea of intercession is disputed," Williams said, "just as it is among Calvinist Protestants."

Among the differences the leaders of the Protestant Reformation had with the Catholic Church was the growth during the Middle Ages of devotion to Mary. Reformers argued that Jesus was the only mediator between God and mankind and that "exuberant Marian devotion seemed to them to threaten the clarity of the Gospel message of salvation by grace alone, through faith alone, through Christ alone," wrote Daniel L. Migliore, a theology professor at Princeton Theological Seminary, in his chapter in "Blessed One."

Muslims who seek Mary's intercession, on the other hand, see her in much the same way Catholics do, said Williams.

While living in the Middle East, he said he witnessed several striking examples of the reverence many Muslims have for Mary.

At the Convent of Our Lady, an Orthodox church in Sednaya, Syria, he watched devout Muslims roll out prayer rugs to join Christians in reverencing an icon of Mary that is reputed to have been painted by St. Luke the Evangelist and believed to have the power to cure illnesses.

And in the late 1960s, many Muslims were among the millions who gathered in a Coptic Orthodox church in Egypt, hoping to catch a glimpse of reported Marian apparitions, he said.

For more than a year starting in 1968, apparitions of Mary were reported over the domes of the Church of the Virgin Mary in the Zeitoun area of Cairo.

Williams went to the church once during that time and was surprised to see Muslims among the crowd, he said.

"I asked some people, 'Isn't it a little funny for you to be coming here to a Christian church?'" Williams said. They said they considered it only proper that Mary would appear at a church dedicated to her, but explained that they believed she was speaking to all Egyptians, not just Christians.

"They all saw it as a great sign of consolation after the war with Israel (in 1967) that God had not forgotten the people of Egypt," he said.


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1 posted on 06/18/2009 4:02:05 PM PDT by bronxville
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To: bronxville

Mary was a mortal human being, a sinner like all of us.


2 posted on 06/18/2009 4:03:21 PM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com <----go there now,----> tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com)
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To: bronxville
"We need not go through Mary in order to get to Jesus," George concluded

Bingo.

Speak directly to The Man.

No need to go through subordinates.

3 posted on 06/18/2009 4:04:07 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: GeronL; humblegunner

Martin Luther, Founder of the Reform, Speaks on Mary

In his sermon of August 15, 1522, the last time Martin Luther preached on the Feast of the Assumption, he stated:

There can be no doubt that the Virgin Mary is in heaven. How it happened we do not know. And since the Holy Spirit has told us nothing about it, we can make of it no article of faith . . . It is enough to know that she lives in Christ.

The veneration of Mary is inscribed in the very depths of the human heart. (Sermon, September 1, 1522).

[She is the] highest woman and the noblest gem in Christianity after Christ . . . She is nobility, wisdom, and holiness personified. We can never honor her enough. Still honor and praise must be given to her in such a way as to injure neither Christ nor the Scriptures. (Sermon, Christmas, 1531).

No woman is like you. You are more than Eve or Sarah, blessed above all nobility, wisdom, and sanctity. (Sermon, Feast of the Visitation, 1537).

One should honor Mary as she herself wished and as she expressed it in the Magnificat. She praised God for his deeds. How then can we praise her? The true honor of Mary is the honor of God, the praise of God’s grace . . . Mary is nothing for the sake of herself, but for the sake of Christ . . . Mary does not wish that we come to her, but through her to God. (Explanation of the Magnificat, 1521).

Luther gives the Blessed Virgin the exalted position of “Spiritual Mother” for Christians:

It is the consolation and the superabundant goodness of God, that man is able to exult in such a treasure. Mary is his true Mother .. (Sermon, Christmas, 1522)

Mary is the Mother of Jesus and the Mother of all of us even though it was Christ alone who reposed on her knees . . . If he is ours, we ought to be in his situation; there where he is, we ought also to be and all that he has ought to be ours, and his mother is also our mother. (Sermon, Christmas, 1529).

Martin Luther had the belief of Mary’s Immaculate Conception, Luther’s words follow:

It is a sweet and pious belief that the infusion of Mary’s soul was effected without original sin; so that in the very infusion of her soul she was also purified from original sin and adorned with God’s gifts, receiving a pure soul infused by God; thus from the first moment she began to live she was free from all sin” (Sermon: “On the Day of the Conception of the Mother of God,” 1527).

She is full of grace, proclaimed to be entirely without sin- something exceedingly great. For God’s grace fills her with everything good and makes her devoid of all evil. (Personal {”Little”} Prayer Book, 1522).”

That’s what Martin Luther had to say about the Blessed Mother. So even the reformers/rebels revered and honored Holy Mary. What happened to the Protestant Tradition?


4 posted on 06/18/2009 4:08:57 PM PDT by bronxville
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To: bronxville

Mary was a human mother born in sin. That’s all nothing more. The one qualifying factor that she had that Jesus needed was the unbroken, unblemished line from David through his son Nathan. Whereas Joseph’s bloodline which was broken but his line carried the title of King through David.


5 posted on 06/18/2009 4:09:45 PM PDT by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: GeronL

Free of sin so that she could bear Christ in her womb.

You are getting erroneous information from you Catholic bashing churches.


6 posted on 06/18/2009 4:10:52 PM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: Salvation

Free of sin?

We are all born sinners, so where does a person who is free of sin come from? Was she the daughter of God and Jesus is really the Grandchild of God?


7 posted on 06/18/2009 4:12:13 PM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com <----go there now,----> tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com)
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To: humblegunner
Bingo. Speak directly to The Man. No need to go through subordinates.

Christians go through Christ, everyone else is just a dead human

8 posted on 06/18/2009 4:13:38 PM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com <----go there now,----> tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com)
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To: humblegunner; GeronL; bronxville
One of my favorite quotes!

"Never apologize for the Blessed Virgin Mary!"

~~Mother Angelica


9 posted on 06/18/2009 4:13:41 PM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: GeronL

You are not familiar with the Catholic dogma of the Immaculate Conception. Please educate yourself.


10 posted on 06/18/2009 4:14:40 PM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: bronxville
This ain't 1522 and I ain't Lutheran.

Christians worship God through Christ Jesus. That is all.

11 posted on 06/18/2009 4:17:23 PM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com <----go there now,----> tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com)
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To: Salvation

There sure are a lot of Catholic-bashers aka protestants on this site - they’re here to ensure you know in no uncertain terms what their opinion is of the Blessed Virgin Mary.


12 posted on 06/18/2009 4:18:18 PM PDT by Ken522
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To: bronxville

I don’t know whether Mary was sinless or not, and I’m comfortable with not knowing. All I know is that God found her special, and so do I.


13 posted on 06/18/2009 4:19:12 PM PDT by Julia H. (Remember when dissent was patriotic?)
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To: GeronL
Immaculate Mary, thy praises we sing;
Who reignest in splendor with Jesus our King.
Ave, ave, ave, Maria! Ave, ave, Maria!

14 posted on 06/18/2009 4:19:46 PM PDT by tioga
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To: Salvation
"Never apologize for the Blessed Virgin Mary!"

I wouldn't apologize for her, I just don't consider her terribly relevant.

See, I worship Christ, not His mom or His second cousin or His lawyer.

I am privileged with direct communication to Him.

I have no need of intermediaries.

15 posted on 06/18/2009 4:20:07 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: bronxville

Tradition ... Topal .....men can speak of anything but there’s nothing about venerating Mary in the Bible ... great theologians can speak on whatever they want but it doesn’t make it Biblical ... Mary was just the means whereby Jesus entered the world ... nothing more.


16 posted on 06/18/2009 4:20:15 PM PDT by SkyDancer ('Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..' ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Salvation

Heinrich Bullinger

Bullinger (d. 1575) . . . defends Mary’s perpetual virginity . . . and inveighs against the false Christians who defraud her of her rightful praise: ‘In Mary everything is extraordinary and all the more glorious as it has sprung from pure faith and burning love of God.’ She is ‘the most unique and the noblest member’ of the Christian community . . .

‘The Virgin Mary . . . completely sanctified by the grace and blood of her only Son and abundantly endowed by the gift of the Holy Spirit and preferred to all . . . now lives happily with Christ in heaven and is called and remains ever-Virgin and Mother of God.’

{In Hilda Graef, Mary: A history of Doctrine and Devotion, combined ed. of vols. 1 & 2, London: Sheed & Ward, 1965, vol.2, pp.14-5}

That’s the problem they’re not educated in the doctrine. I mean if they were they’d know what their protestant reformers had to say about her. Heinrich Bullinger wrote the above on the Holy Mother. What happened one might wonder.


17 posted on 06/18/2009 4:21:02 PM PDT by bronxville
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To: bronxville
"We need not go through Mary in order to get to Jesus," George concluded, "but we can join with Mary in pointing others to him."

"Do whatever he tells you" she said (John 2:5). Mary calls us to obedience, and Our Lord has made her the vehicle to bring warring factions together in peace to Him. She did so in Mexico (as Our Lady of Guadalupe).

Throughout history, she has always pointed the way to her Son through obedience to Him.

18 posted on 06/18/2009 4:21:23 PM PDT by pray4liberty (http://www.foundersvalues.com/)
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To: All

I have been here long enough to know, you ain’t gonna change each others minds. To my fellow Catholics, I offer you this sage advice;

Stop casting pearls before swine.


19 posted on 06/18/2009 4:22:24 PM PDT by wombtotomb
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To: SkyDancer

“Tradition ... Topal .....men can speak of anything but there’s nothing about venerating Mary in the Bible ... great theologians can speak on whatever they want but it doesn’t make it Biblical ... Mary was just the means whereby Jesus entered the world ... nothing more.”

But who says that...? I mean your founding protestant reformers continued to honor and rever her. What happened? Do you all follow your own ideology? You’re your own little mini-gods? Mary is Biblical as your founding reformers knew... How come you strayed so far off the path?


20 posted on 06/18/2009 4:25:26 PM PDT by bronxville
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To: wombtotomb

“I have been here long enough to know, you ain’t gonna change each others minds. To my fellow Catholics, I offer you this sage advice;

Stop casting pearls before swine.”

Yes, but I’d really like to know where they strayed from the path of their founding protestant reformers. Thusfar I’ve just gotten their own personal opinion.

Pearls before swine...yes, indeed.


21 posted on 06/18/2009 4:28:14 PM PDT by bronxville
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To: All
Mary, Mother of God (Scott Hahn lecture)
22 posted on 06/18/2009 4:28:14 PM PDT by bdeaner (The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? (1 Cor. 10:16))
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To: GeronL
Christians go through Christ, everyone else is just a dead human.

So not only will you not ask Maria to pray for you, but you also think she's just a dead human?

Is this the type of nonsense your pastors teach you?

23 posted on 06/18/2009 4:28:18 PM PDT by AAABEST (And the light shineth in darkness: and the darkness did not comprehend it)
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To: GeronL

I wouldn’t bother, there is no talking to the Marian Worship Cultist. Catholicism I really don’t have issue with, many saved Catholics, but this veneration stuff has been fully debunked, defeated and destroyed by Protestant apologists for hundreds of years but like radical Muslims some Marian cultist stick stubbornly to their dogma. Before JPII this Marian stuff was a little out of style but he brought it back. Jesus said come straight to him for fellowship otherwise he will not know you...period, end of debate. I feel 100% sure in my salvation through Christ alone, I need no intercessor to speak for me, my source....um the scriptures..the infallible word of God, not the musings of some monk 100’s of years ago.


24 posted on 06/18/2009 4:28:41 PM PDT by pburgh01
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To: bronxville

Good news.


25 posted on 06/18/2009 4:29:01 PM PDT by bdeaner (The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? (1 Cor. 10:16))
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To: bronxville

>”They all saw it (the apparition of Mary) as a great sign of consolation after the war with Israel (in 1967) that God had not forgotten the people of Egypt,” he said.<

What has not been mentioned is that the church in Zeitoun, Egypt has recently been bombed. I doubt that the Copts did this.

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>She is recognized as the purified woman chosen to be the mother of the promised Messiah.<

Yet, from the very beginning, Islam has persecuted the followers of the same Person that they recognize as the promised Messiah. Even today Christians do not enjoy religious freedom in muslim counties that Muslims do in the West. I think that Islam owes the West an explanation.


26 posted on 06/18/2009 4:29:36 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: Julia H.

“I don’t know whether Mary was sinless or not, and I’m comfortable with not knowing. All I know is that God found her special, and so do I.”

That’s very sweet. You’re a protestant, right?


27 posted on 06/18/2009 4:29:47 PM PDT by bronxville
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To: bdeaner

Thanks for the link bdeaner - excellent lecture. Biblical consistency.


28 posted on 06/18/2009 4:31:39 PM PDT by bronxville
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To: Salvation

Go get them, tiger! You’re alright.


29 posted on 06/18/2009 4:32:28 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: bronxville

This is nothing new. Protestants and Evangelicals have always recognized the unique role of Mary, the mother of Jesus. We called her blessed, just as the scriptures do. She is an example of obedient faith and, like other heroes of the faith, such as the apostles and the martyrs, deserves our respect and a place of honor in our hearts and minds. Nevertheless, we do not venerate her or them. Veneration is reserved for God the Father through His Son, Jesus Christ, by the inner working of the Holy Spirit. And so, too, our prayers are directed to God the Father through His Son, Jesus Christ, by the inner working of the Holy Spirit.


30 posted on 06/18/2009 4:32:56 PM PDT by Juan Medén
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To: GeronL
Mary was a mortal human being, a sinner like all of us.

Incorrect. See HERE:

The Immaculate Conception of the Mother of God
31 posted on 06/18/2009 4:34:34 PM PDT by bdeaner (The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? (1 Cor. 10:16))
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To: bronxville

I understand your frustration. You will not get an answer. Historically, there is no continuity. I am a convert (more acurately, a revert). I was a staunch anti catholic for many years. Everything is autonomous outside papal authority. We had many different beliefs within my former congregation on such issues of the rapture, can you lose your salvation, grace and works, and countless other things. These things actually ripped many churches apart and sent many ministers packing because of a churches “vote” and beliefs.


32 posted on 06/18/2009 4:35:00 PM PDT by wombtotomb
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To: humblegunner

You may end up asking for forgiveness at the moment of your particular judgment (the moment of your death) from Our Lord, Jesus Christ, because you didn’t revere his mother. Even Christ tells you to take care of your mother.

But then, again, it might be too late for you at that moment.


33 posted on 06/18/2009 4:35:42 PM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: pburgh01

“...but this veneration stuff has been fully debunked, defeated and destroyed by Protestant apologists for hundreds of years...”

Interesting - could you give me some links? When did this happen?

Here’s what John Calvin had to say about the Blessed Mother:

Helvidius displayed excessive ignorance in concluding that Mary must have had many sons, because Christ’s ‘brothers’ are sometimes mentioned.
{Harmony of Matthew, Mark & Luke, sec. 39 (Geneva, 1562), vol. 2 / From Calvin’s Commentaries, tr. William Pringle, Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans, 1949, p.215; on Matthew 13:55}
[On Matt 1:25:] The inference he [Helvidius] drew from it was, that Mary remained a virgin no longer than till her first birth, and that afterwards she had other children by her husband . . . No just and well-grounded inference can be drawn from these words . . . as to what took place after the birth of Christ. He is called ‘first-born’; but it is for the sole purpose of informing us that he was born of a virgin . . . What took place afterwards the historian does not inform us . . . No man will obstinately keep up the argument, except from an extreme fondness for disputation.
{Pringle, ibid., vol. I, p. 107}

So, did these apologists debunk Calvin, Martin Luther, Zwingli, Wesley, and Bullinger as well? Would really like some links as to this debunking.


34 posted on 06/18/2009 4:37:11 PM PDT by bronxville
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To: pburgh01

**but this veneration stuff has been fully debunked, defeated and destroyed by Protestant apologists for hundreds of years **

Oh, really???

The article is about a Baptist who has other opinions.


35 posted on 06/18/2009 4:39:02 PM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: Salvation
John 14:6

Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

Odd, He does not mention His mom in the technical details.

36 posted on 06/18/2009 4:39:41 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: pburgh01

This anti-protestant stuff being posted ad naseum on FR is annoying


38 posted on 06/18/2009 4:41:03 PM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com <----go there now,----> tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com)
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To: humblegunner

And Mary’s last words in the Bible are:

“Do whatever he tells you.”

She left everything in Christ’s hands. (Smart mother, eh?)


39 posted on 06/18/2009 4:41:22 PM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: AAABEST

A person is saved by God through Christ and Christ alone. This is why its called Christianity.


40 posted on 06/18/2009 4:42:22 PM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com <----go there now,----> tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com)
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To: bronxville

Not all apparitions have been solely to Catholics or even to Christians. One in Viet Nam from 1888 was seen only by the pagans besieging a badly outnumbered Christian group. They reoported the Lady as standing over the church in the town. Their artillery targeted the church but it and the lady were unscathed. When the defenders broke out at dawn in a hopeless attack the enemy soldiers saw the Lady ahead of them, panicked, and ran away. The Christians heard of it from the pagans.


41 posted on 06/18/2009 4:44:43 PM PDT by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: Juan Medén

This is nothing new. Protestants and Evangelicals have always recognized the unique role of Mary, the mother of Jesus. We called her blessed, just as the scriptures do. “She is an example of obedient faith and, like other heroes of the faith, such as the apostles and the martyrs, deserves our respect and a place of honor in our hearts and minds.”

Muslims say the same thing yet when one debates them - the name-calling begins as witnessed here. If you respect her then why the Marian Cultist label? I find much of what I’ve been debating Muslims (and leftists) for years is seconded by other religious people here. If they can’t get out of a corner then it’s name-calling or they bring up Constantine, the Crusades, Inquision etc. It’s amazing the similarity in the argements. One might wonder who learned what from whom for talking points.


42 posted on 06/18/2009 4:48:23 PM PDT by bronxville
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To: bronxville

Gee, it seems like it was only yesterday we Eastern Christians were saying “It looks like Marian devotion isn’t just for us anymore.” after the Latins discovered our traditions like the Feast of the Dormition. Of course, in the Orthodox Church 1500 years ago really is pretty much yesterday.


43 posted on 06/18/2009 4:49:21 PM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: pburgh01
I wouldn’t bother, there is no talking to the Marian Worship Cultist. Catholicism I really don’t have issue with, many saved Catholics, but this veneration stuff has been fully debunked, defeated and destroyed by Protestant apologists for hundreds of years but like radical Muslims some Marian cultist stick stubbornly to their dogma.

Based on your statement, you have no clue what "veneration" even means. Do you?

Protestants mistake it for adoration, or worship. That's incorrect. Adoration or worship is reserved exclusively for the Lord. Veneration is another term for "honor."

I know what you're thinking -- you're thinking you shouldn't honor anyone but God. But that's wrong. Remember the 4th commandment? Honor thy mother and father. Could be stated as "Venerate they mother and father." Means the same thing.

We worship Jesus, and Mary is His Mother. Consistent with the 4th Commandment, we HONOR or venerate His Blessed Mother.
44 posted on 06/18/2009 4:49:33 PM PDT by bdeaner (The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? (1 Cor. 10:16))
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To: Salvation

“She left everything in Christ’s hands. (Smart mother, eh?)”

:)


45 posted on 06/18/2009 4:49:50 PM PDT by bronxville
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To: ThanhPhero

Sounds interesting. Do you have a link?


46 posted on 06/18/2009 4:52:09 PM PDT by bronxville
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To: Salvation
And Mary’s last words in the Bible are:

“Do whatever he tells you.”

Yes, I suppose that is well and good for Marianity.

Me, I'm a Christian.

47 posted on 06/18/2009 4:52:17 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: bdeaner

“I know what you’re thinking — you’re thinking you shouldn’t honor anyone but God. But that’s wrong. Remember the 4th commandment? Honor thy mother and father. Could be stated as “Venerate they mother and father.” Means the same thing.

We worship Jesus, and Mary is His Mother. Consistent with the 4th Commandment, we HONOR or venerate His Blessed Mother.”

Well said...


48 posted on 06/18/2009 4:53:19 PM PDT by bronxville
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To: bronxville

You’re welcome! Thanks for your excellent posts, as always.


49 posted on 06/18/2009 4:53:38 PM PDT by bdeaner (The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? (1 Cor. 10:16))
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To: bronxville
Where have these people been. As Christian/protestants we have always revered Mary, but only as the mother of Jesus, nothing more.

She is not our Saint or iconic statue, she cannot save us. We do not worship any icons, or should not. We do not worship the Jesus on the Cross statues either, our Jesus/Lord is no longer on the cross. We do not pray through Mary, nor need a priest to pray for us, we have a direct connection to God through his SON Jesus.

We don't have to bury a saint statue in our front yards to sell our houses either. ROFL yes, they do this.

50 posted on 06/18/2009 4:54:54 PM PDT by annieokie (i)
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