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How Old Is Your Church?
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Posted on 06/27/2009 10:01:54 AM PDT by Salvation

How Old Is Your Church?

If you are a Lutheran, your religion was founded by Martin Luther, an ex- monk of the Catholic Church, in the year 1517.

If you belong to the Church of England, your religion was founded by King Henry VIII in the year 1534 because the Pope would not grant him a divorce with the right to remarry.

If you are a Presbyterian, your religion was founded by John Knox in Scotland in the year 1560.

If you are a Protestant Episcopalian, your religion was an offshoot of the Church of England founded by Samuel Seabury in the American colonies in the 17th century.

If you are a Congregationalist, your religion was originated by Robert Brown in Holland in 1582.

If you are a Methodist, your religion was launched by John and Charles Wesley in England in 1744.

If you are a Unitarian, Theophilus Lindley founded your church in London in 1774.

If you are a Mormon (Latter Day Saints), Joseph Smith started your religion in Palmyra, N.Y., in 1829.

If you are a Baptist, you owe the tenets of your religion to John Smyth, who launched it in Amsterdam in 1605.

If you are of the Dutch Reformed church, you recognize Michaelis Jones as founder, because he originated your religion in New York in 1628.

If you worship with the Salvation Army, your sect began with William Booth in London in 1865.

If you are a Christian Scientist, you look to 1879 as the year in which your religion was born and to Mrs. Mary Baker Eddy as its founder.

If you belong to one of the religious organizations known as 'Church of the Nazarene," "Pentecostal Gospel." "Holiness Church," "Pilgrim Holiness Church," "Jehovah's Witnesses," your religion is one of the hundreds of new sects founded by men within the past century.

If you are Catholic, you know that your religion was founded in the year 33 by Jesus Christ the Son of God, and it is still the same Church.



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To: Salvation
Interesting conversation.
I don't have anything to add but have enjoyed reading.
641 posted on 07/03/2009 9:22:53 AM PDT by zeaal
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To: kosta50

***How do you know all this?

Beat me to it, Mark! Good job. :)***

It’s the influence of the Orthodox keepers of the faith. I’ve been tainted by your postings...


642 posted on 07/03/2009 9:59:40 AM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr
It’s the influence of the Orthodox keepers of the faith. I’ve been tainted by your postings

You did it all yourself, Mark. Seeds grow naturally on fertile soil.

But let' just see how dixiechick KNOWS all these things... :)

643 posted on 07/03/2009 10:34:32 AM PDT by kosta50 (Don't look up, the truth is all around you)
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To: Salvation
There is a little problem with your statement that once baptized catholic you are always a catholic..

My original baptism was Luthern at the age of 12, when I converted to Catholic at my marriage the church rebaptized me. When I ask the priest why it was necessary he said it was just to confirm that the baptism was in the name of Father, Son and Holy Ghost..Which it was in my original baptism..So would you say that because I was originally baptized Lutheran, I will always be a Lutheran?

A priest takes Holy Orders and is forever a priest...I know of no rules that say Baptism makes you a Catholic forever. I also never heard any priest say that...

644 posted on 07/03/2009 11:16:44 AM PDT by goat granny
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To: MarkBsnr; kosta50
Not even St. Paul knew that he was saved. Are you more in God’s Grace than St. Paul?

Playing devil's advocate, the sola scriptura answer would be "I KNOW -- that's God's promise to me. Why don't you believe and have the same belief? Christ died for us, so why doubt Him???"
645 posted on 07/03/2009 1:05:46 PM PDT by Cronos (Ceterum censeo, Mecca et Medina delendae sunt + Jindal 2K12)
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To: kosta50

***But let’ just see how dixiechick KNOWS all these things... :)***

It ought to be fascinating.


646 posted on 07/03/2009 1:40:56 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Cronos

***Playing devil’s advocate, the sola scriptura answer would be “I KNOW — that’s God’s promise to me. Why don’t you believe and have the same belief? Christ died for us, so why doubt Him???”***

There are two immediate considerations. The first is that how does one know that one interprets Scripture correctly? The second is that how does one know that one’s belief is the same belief that Jesus gave to the Apostles.

In neither case, outside of the Church, does one have any assurance that their beliefs are correct or anywhere near correct. The Reverend Jim Jones, pre Kool Aid dispensing, no doubt absolutely believed that his faith was the correct one. The JWs believe. The LDS believe. And so on.

Jesus preached one church and one belief. The plethora of beliefs give lie to the odd notion that the Protestant Reformation, the Restoration and the subsequent buddings bring us correct beliefs.


647 posted on 07/03/2009 1:46:16 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr
There are two immediate considerations. The first is that how does one know that one interprets Scripture correctly? The second is that how does one know that one’s belief is the same belief that Jesus gave to the Apostles

The sola scriptura answer is simple:
1. how do I know I interpreted scripture correctly? Answer: Because that's the gift of the Holy SPirit for anyone and everyone to interpret scripture. Of course, my interpretation is the correct one, though....
2. Well, my sola s belief is the same -- look, let me quote random passages from The Bible. The Church was wrong for 2000 years until I came along.
648 posted on 07/03/2009 1:49:55 PM PDT by Cronos (Ceterum censeo, Mecca et Medina delendae sunt + Jindal 2K12)
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To: Cronos

***The sola scriptura answer is simple:
1. how do I know I interpreted scripture correctly? Answer: Because that’s the gift of the Holy SPirit for anyone and everyone to interpret scripture. Of course, my interpretation is the correct one, though....***

Let’s compare and contrast e.g. Piper versus Schuller (both Presbyterian), or Hagee versus Graham. It boggles the mind that they all can fit under one umbrella.

***2. Well, my sola s belief is the same — look, let me quote random passages from The Bible. The Church was wrong for 2000 years until I came along.***

Yes. Everyone in his own armchair on Sunday mornings is his own Pope and, given the appropriate quantities of adult beverages, is fully competent to interpret Scripture on his own.


649 posted on 07/03/2009 1:59:09 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Cronos; MarkBsnr
Playing devil's advocate, the sola scriptura answer would be "I KNOW -- that's God's promise to me. Why don't you believe and have the same belief? Christ died for us, so why doubt Him???"

Obviosuly some only believe he made them a promise. Calling "Lord, Lord," and claiming you believe is not enough. The Gospels are clear on that:

But the Prots tend to disreagrd the Gospekls a great deal in favor of Paul's epistles and even the OT.

650 posted on 07/03/2009 2:56:36 PM PDT by kosta50 (Don't look up, the truth is all around you)
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To: Cronos; MarkBsnr
The sola scriptura answer is simple: 1. how do I know I interpreted scripture correctly? Answer: Because that's the gift of the Holy SPirit for anyone and everyone to interpret scripture...

How do you know that's the gift of the Holy Spirit?

651 posted on 07/03/2009 3:08:55 PM PDT by kosta50 (Don't look up, the truth is all around you)
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To: goat granny

Welcome home, GG. I guess I should have said a “Catholic” baptism.


652 posted on 07/03/2009 4:39:22 PM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: dixiechick2000; MarkBsnr; kosta50

I’ve always had a question for someone who says “I’m already saved.”

What happens if you commit a mortal sin and are not forgiven?

OSAS doesn’t work for me. I know I am a sinner, and I constantly must seek forgiveness.


653 posted on 07/03/2009 4:45:14 PM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: Salvation

Salvation, I know I am a sinner, too, and must always ask for forviveness.

One thing that most of your Catholic friends don’t understand is that we believe in the same truth.

Jesus is the one and only son of God, that he was sent to die on the cross to forgive us of our sins, and that those who don’t believe in this will perish.

Believing this with all of my heart is how I know that I am saved.

Being asked if I believe in three gods, and other stupid uneducated questions, was insulting.


654 posted on 07/05/2009 12:38:48 AM PDT by dixiechick2000 (Sarah's about to kick some serious blogger butt! You go girl!)
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To: Salvation

“OSAS”

I think that there is a difference in interpretation, and ritual.

We don’t have infant Baptism because we don’t believe infants to be able to determine that they are saved.

Our Baptism is for those who believe in my post above, and have determined on their own that they are saved.

To publicly and openly proclaim that one is saved, and follow through with a voluntary Baptism, is a huge testimony to one’s faith.

Maybe that helps?


655 posted on 07/05/2009 12:47:15 AM PDT by dixiechick2000 (Sarah's about to kick some serious blogger butt! You go girl!)
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To: MarkBsnr
Let’s compare and contrast e.g. Piper versus Schuller (both Presbyterian), or Hagee versus Graham. It boggles the mind that they all can fit under one umbrella.

Of course, but they are both sola scriptura -- the angels told them what to think and they were taken by The holy Spirit. SO what if they thought differently, there are different ways to God --> no, wait... each of those are correct, but anything by The Church is wrong...
656 posted on 07/09/2009 2:28:47 AM PDT by Cronos (Ceterum censeo, Mecca et Medina delendae sunt + Jindal 2K12)
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To: Salvation
How Old is Your Church -- different source

 

How Old is Your Church?
by Sebastian R. Fama

Name of Church

Year Founded

Name of Founder

 

 

 

 Catholic

33

 Jesus Christ

 Orthodox

1439

 Separated from Catholic Church

 Lutheran

1517

 Martin Luther

 The Church of England

1534

 King Henry VIII

 Presbyterian

1560

 John Knox

 Congregationalist

1582

 Robert Browne

 Baptist

1605

 John Smyth

 Dutch Reformed

1628

 Michaelis Jones

 Quaker

1652

 George Fox

 Amish

1693

 Jacob Amman

 Methodist

1744

 John & Charles Wesley

 Unitarian

1774

 Theophilus Lindley

 Episcopal

1789

 Samuel Seabury

 Disciples of Christ

1804

 A group of Presbyterian ministers

 Mormon

1830

 Joseph Smith Jr.

 Seventh Day Adventist

1860

 Ellen White

 Salvation Army

1865

 William Booth

 Christian & Missionary  Alliance

1865

 Albert Simpson

 Jehovah's Witnesses

1872

 Charles Taze Russell

 Christian Scientist

1879

 Mary Baker Eddy

 Assemblies of God

1914

 A group of Pentecostal preachers

 Foursquare Gospel

1918

 Aimee Semple McPherson

 United Pentecostal

1945

 A merger of Oneness churches

 United Church of Christ

1957

 A union of different traditions

 Calvary Chapel

1965

 Chuck Smith

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657 posted on 10/23/2009 7:30:34 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation
How Old Is Your Church?

For anyone who readsthe Word of G-d,
knows that YHvH began His Ekklesia in Deuteronomy 4:10.
Deut 4:10 "{Remember} the day you stood before YHvH
your God at Horeb, when YHvH said to me,
'Assemble the people to Me,
that I may let them hear My words so they may learn
to fear Me all the days they live on the earth, and that
they may teach their children.'
The Word of G-d is Yah'shua.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
658 posted on 11/16/2009 8:37:06 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: Popman

the things that have “changed” were mostly stuff added on top of the original church (hospitals, schools, administration of responsibilities left to them since Constantine turned over the Roman Empire to Christ, etc.) but the same simple fishers-of-men church never changed at the core. Anything added by mere men is a distraction. There is only one “church” and all the rest is our own vanity. So catholics and latercomers should all stop bickering.


659 posted on 12/08/2009 1:02:53 PM PST by epluribus_2
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To: Timocrat
Saint Paul the Apostle founded the Eastern Orthodox Church, whereas Saint Peter founded the Catholic Church.

I refer to them as Saints in the conventional definition since they were both murdered while spreading the Gospel.

660 posted on 12/09/2009 8:01:09 AM PST by GI Joe Fan (GI Joe represents Real American Heroes, not a bunch of globalist drones.)
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