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To: annalex; Kolokotronis; MarkBsnr
Alex, if you have made up your mind that the Orthodox simply don't love the Latins, nothing I say will change your mind. It gives you a self-serving explanation and whatever self-fulfilling justification you are seeking.

It's not hate, as in μισέω, but rather a sense of alienation, something unnatural, forced. It's like going to the UK and recognizing it's the same language but the lifestyle, attitudes, and overall culture is not the same.

In fact, on a closer look, nothing is the same, which is bewildering because it seems that it should be! The language is mostly the same, but has a strange accent; the words sound the same but means something different or are spelled differently; the Church "looks" Catholic but isn't; the head of the Church is also the head of state, who is also a monarch, and who reigns but doesn't govern; someone equivalent to the Speaker of the House runs the government and is called the Prime Minister; there are dozens of political parties instead of two; there is no written Constitution; 40%of the population is either agnostic or atheist, etc.

Do you really think Americans and the English could reunite based on the fact that once they were one and the same nation, that they use the same written language, that they both teach the same pirnciples, or that they share so many other things in common? The English are not Americans, because one cannot reduce our differences to one or two elements.

We could erase history, annul the American Revolution; even agree to a Constitutional Monarchy (without a Constitution!), we could change our names to "fifty colonies," and change our flag to the Union Jack—none of that would makes us English! It would be a faux union.

Likewise, we can scrap out anathemas (they were dropped in 1964, after 910 years), we can shred our doctrinal statements; we can all call ourselves Catholic once again, but by such superficial measures neither will the Latins become Orthodox nor will that name change make the Orthodox Catholics.

Such a (re)union would be a lie, Alex. That's all. It has nothing to do with any lack of love.

43 posted on 09/28/2009 10:54:17 PM PDT by kosta50 (Don't look up, the truth is all around you)
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To: kosta50; Kolokotronis; MarkBsnr
It's not hate, as in μισέω, but rather a sense of alienation, something unnatural, forced.

Yes. I never said the Orthodox hate the Catholics. For the second time, you express my understading of the Orthodox feelings on the matter better than I could on this thread. The sense of alienation is a lack of love.

Consider two people courting each other. They may have a fear of premature physical union, -- because they are tempted to it. They also may have a fear of a mistake: perhaps the infatuation is blinding me to some cardinal flaw! -- one thinks. But they want to be together: they never feel alienated.

The analogy of two kindred yet separate nations is a good example, but there is one difference: nations exist to serve themselves, whereas Churches exist to serve one God. Do you think a Catholic never feels in a foreign place in Orthodox Liturgy? I can assure you he does; he wouldn't want the busy beauty of it, he would miss the austerity and the silence of the Mass. Likewise, a man in love does not want to become his female bride, nor does the bride want to become her male groom. She would not want the male form; he would not want the female form. But they want to be one; not same, but one.

Some higher purpose yet may bring the United States and Britain under one government. It would not mean the British should cease to be British and the Americans should cease to be Americans.

It is exactly what I say it is, unlove, and because of it you (I speak collectively) do not understand the subject matter.

45 posted on 09/29/2009 7:40:37 AM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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