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To: kosta50; Kolokotronis; MarkBsnr
It's not hate, as in μισέω, but rather a sense of alienation, something unnatural, forced.

Yes. I never said the Orthodox hate the Catholics. For the second time, you express my understading of the Orthodox feelings on the matter better than I could on this thread. The sense of alienation is a lack of love.

Consider two people courting each other. They may have a fear of premature physical union, -- because they are tempted to it. They also may have a fear of a mistake: perhaps the infatuation is blinding me to some cardinal flaw! -- one thinks. But they want to be together: they never feel alienated.

The analogy of two kindred yet separate nations is a good example, but there is one difference: nations exist to serve themselves, whereas Churches exist to serve one God. Do you think a Catholic never feels in a foreign place in Orthodox Liturgy? I can assure you he does; he wouldn't want the busy beauty of it, he would miss the austerity and the silence of the Mass. Likewise, a man in love does not want to become his female bride, nor does the bride want to become her male groom. She would not want the male form; he would not want the female form. But they want to be one; not same, but one.

Some higher purpose yet may bring the United States and Britain under one government. It would not mean the British should cease to be British and the Americans should cease to be Americans.

It is exactly what I say it is, unlove, and because of it you (I speak collectively) do not understand the subject matter.

45 posted on 09/29/2009 7:40:37 AM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex; Kolokotronis; MarkBsnr
The sense of alienation is a lack of love

No, alienation simply means just what it means—something one cannot identify with, something one does not recognize as his/her own.

The analogy of two kindred yet separate nations is a good example, but there is one difference: nations exist to serve themselves, whereas Churches exist to serve one God

Churches claim they serve God whether they are in communion or not. Besides, what does that mean "to serve God?"

You have decided that it's all the Orthodox fault. But I will tell you something, you can't make someone love you. And by the same token just because someone loves you doesn't mean you are obligated to love them.

You have managed to turn the Orthodox attitude towards the West as something materialistic and faddish and ocunter-traditional into a damnable lack of love for the West, so as to paint the East as some loveless villain whose fault it is that we can't hold hands.

Your twisted mind only confirms Orthodox suspicions and doubts. It's like some stalker who sees himself as a "victim" because the person he is infatuated with is refusing his advances.

46 posted on 09/29/2009 8:50:39 AM PDT by kosta50 (Don't look up, the truth is all around you)
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