Posted on 09/24/2009 10:46:07 AM PDT by delacoert
Fits the pattern doesn’t it...
Romans chapter 1:18-20
The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.
Prophet Brigham Young (1801 - 1877):
While brother Joseph was referring to the provinces of God, I was led to reflect that there is no act, no principle, no power belonging to the Deity that is purely philosophical. The birth of the Saviour was as natural as are the births of our children; it was the result of natural action. He partook of flesh and blood was begotten of his Father, as we were of our fathers.
(Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, v. 8, p. 115)
... I believe the Father came down from heaven, as the apostles said he did, and begat the Saviour of the world; for he is the ONLY-begotten of the Father, which could not be if the Father did not actually beget him in person.... I believe the Father came down in His tabernacle and begat Jesus Christ.
(Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, v. 1, p. 238)
Apostle Heber C. Kimball (1802 - 1868):
... In relation to the way in which I look upon the works of God and his creatures, I will say that I was naturally begotten; so was my father, and also my Saviour Jesus Christ. According to the Scriptures, he is the first begotten of his father in the flesh, and there was noting unnatural about it.
(Apostle Heber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses, v. 8, p. 211)
Apostle Orson Pratt (1811 - 1881):
God, the Father of our spirits, became the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ according to the flesh.... The fleshy body of Jesus required a Mother as well as a Father. Therefore, the Father and Mother of Jesus, according to the flesh, must have been associated together in the capacity of Husband and Wife; hence the Virgin Mary must have, for the time being, the lawful wife of God the Father.... He had a lawful right to overshadow the Virgin Mary in the capacity of a husband, and beget a Son, although she was espoused to another; for the law which He gave to govern men and women, was not intended to govern Himself, or to prescribe rules for his own conduct.
(Apostle Orson Pratt, The Seer, p. 158)
Prophet Joseph F. Smith (1838 - 1918):
Now, we are told in scriptures that Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God in the flesh. Well, now for the benefit of the older ones, how are children begotten? I answer just as Jesus Christ was begotten of his father...Now my little friends, I will repeat again words as simple as I can, and you ask your parents about it, that God, the eternal Father, is literally the father of Jesus Christ.
(Prophet Joseph F. Smith, Family Home Evening Manual, pp. 125, 126, 1972)
Prophet Joseph Fielding Smith (1876 - 1972):
Christ Not Begotten of Holy Ghost... Christ was begotten of God. He was not born without the aid of Man, and that Man was God!
(Prophet Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, v. 1, p. 18, 1954)
Apostle Bruce R. McConkie (1915 - 1985):
Christ was Begotten by an immortal Father in the same way that mortal men are begotten by mortal fathers.
(Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 547, 1966)
And Christ was born into the world as the literal Son of this Holy Being; he was born in the same personal, real, and literal sense that any mortal son is born to a mortal father. There is nothing figurative about his paternity; he was begotten, conceived and born in the normal and natural course of events, for he is the Son of God, and that designation means what it says.
(Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 792, 1966)
As far as this life is concerned, [Jesus] was born of Mary and of Elohim; he came here as an offspring of that Holy Man who is literally our Father in heaven. He was born in mortality in the literal and full sense as the Son of God. He is the Son of his father in the same sense that all morals are the sons and daughters of their fathers.
(Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, Mortal Messiah, v. 1, p. 330)
Prophet Ezra Taft Benson (1899 - 1994):
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints proclaims that Jesus Christ is the Son of God in the most literal sense. The body in which He performed His mission in the flesh was sired by that some Holy Being we worship as God, our Eternal Father. Jesus was not the son of Joseph, nor was He begotten by the Holy Ghost.
(Prophet Ezra Taft Benson, The Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson, p. 7)
These two contradict each other.
Not at all. Jesus was speaking of himself when he said, "save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father."
The New King James version makes the language clearer:
Having no knowledge of the references you cite, I would have to investigate them before giving them any weight whatsoever.
Prophets speak, and they also speak "as prophets". Perhaps that's a difference here.
The way I heard it was that God caused Mary to become with child, and that Mary was a virgin. Seems to me that God who created the universe could accomplish that without having sex with Mary, else how could she still be a virgin - as is clearly stated ?
Interesting.
In the interest of full Freeper diclosure, I was a church member for a fairly short while, while 13 or so to 17. I quit because I came to realize I was a hypocrite - I didn't believe what I was professing to believe.
However, I found the Mormons to be the most "Christian" acting (in general) of any church I attended, and there were many, including Presbyterian, Catholic, Lutheran, and several others. Mormons seemed to me to most emulate Christ and to follow His teachings (New Testament) the most closely.
By His teachings I mean the words Christ is recorded as having spoken.
I have found the latter to be the most challenging and rewarding.
Unless the writer can learn how to summarize, the Mormon Church doesn’t have to worry about me knowing even one of those things.
JIMT posted:
Who’d a thunk it ? Only ONE of those groups going to heaven, the rest to hell.
5 I saw Father Adam and Abraham; and my father and my mother; my brother Alvin, that has long since slept;
6 And marveled how it was that he had obtained an inheritance in that kingdom, seeing that he had departed this life before the Lord had set his hand to gather Israel the second time, and had not been baptized for the remission of sins.
7 Thus came the voice of the Lord unto me, saying: All who have died without a knowledge of this gospel, who would have received it if they had been permitted to tarry, shall be heirs of the celestial kingdom of God;
8 Also all that shall die henceforth without a knowledge of it, who would have received it with all their hearts, shall be heirs of that kingdom;
9 For I, the Lord, will judge all men according to their works, according to the desire of their hearts.
10 And I also beheld that all children who die before they arrive at the years of accountability are saved in the celestial kingdom of heaven.
http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/137
It’s a terrible discredit to label LDS with the ole “Believe as we or go to hell” stigma when it is we (rather Christ) who are the ONLY ones with a plan of salvation which covers every inhabitant of this world from Adam/Eve to the last born at the end of the millennium. Whether living now on earth, or now in heavens.
Would Christ’s true church exclude anyone from salvation? No!
The above verses does not ignore Christ’s saving ordinances, The purpose of LDS temples is to provide Christ’s saving ordinances to all those who have ever lived on this planet.
Please make note and post accordingly in the future. Otherwise, having been informed, you will be violating the 9th commandment.
Yours in Christ, Brother Niv
Elsie posted:
Well; if the Living Prophet® of the Mormon Church had a ‘revelation’ from GOD to do those things; I can assure you that things would be blowing up all over the place!
Hummm.... doesn’t that tell you something? Would Christ instruct his followers to blow things up? The fact we don’t should be an indicator of whom we follow.
During the equal rights amendment era and now the gay marriage movement, who’s doors were/are being shattered by pipe bombs?
Yours in Christ, Brother Niv
lds.org
Delacoert posted:
Mormonism is an original, invented religion, born of the mind of Joseph Smith, who is responsible for the spiritual seduction of millions of people. To the world, Mormonism sells itself as the friendly Christian church down the street, but in reality it is no closer to biblical Christianity than Hinduism or Islam.
As a whole, LDS are more Christ like, then those who claim we aren’t. I sure hope you don’t believe this statement. If you do, then, you need to visit a LDS service and see for yourself, the absurdity of this statement. maps.lds.org
Yours in Christ, Brother Niv
Christ’s website.. lds.org ..not just because it’s the only one with his “picture”
JIMT,
I see in later posts you are in support of LDS. So I guess your statement was rhetorical in nature. Please temper my response in light of that new revelation.
Yours in Christ, Brother Niv
As a whole, LDS are more Christ like, then those who claim we aren’t. I sure hope you don’t believe this statement. If you do, then, you need to visit a LDS service and see for yourself, the absurdity of this statement. maps.lds.org
Just what is this absurd statement?
To the world, Mormonism sells itself as the friendly Christian church down the street, but in reality it is no closer to biblical Christianity than Hinduism or Islam.
Delacoert may be a little off. Since both mormonism and hinduism are polytheistic, they are far closer to each than Christianity. AFA Islam - smith declared he would be the second muhammad, something no Christian would claim.
Christ’s website.. lds.org ..not just because it’s the only one with his “picture”
And I guess that when you put a mercedes-benz emblem on your yugo it becomes a luxury car.
The purpose of LDS temples is to provide Christ’s saving ordinances to all those who have ever lived on this planet.
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Good luck with that n00b...
Oh you are going to be fun....
The purpose of LDS temples is to provide Christ’s saving ordinances to all those who have ever lived on this planet.
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Listen kid...
You are just in time for class...
Come in and sit down...
You are in luck today...
Your teacher is Nana...
The purpose of Christ’s death on the cross was to provide savalation to whoever will believe in Him..but not everyone of all those who have ever lived on this planet will be saved...
Just whoever will...
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16
From what you have written in this old thread from Sept 2009, you are sorely lacking in knowledge about God...
But God has taking pity on you and sent you here...
See how the love and mercy of God works ???
Grasshopper, you are in the right place at the right time...
Lots of Christians here to teach you the real story about the saving grace of Jesus Christ...
There is the LDS way...
and then theres the way that Jesus wants it to be done...
Jesus said to the n00b kid, “I am the Way , the Truth, and the Life. No man or woman comes to the Father except by me” Jophn 14:6
BTW those stupid looking buildings you refer to as “temples” are a waste of time and money...
God does not dwell in buildings...
God wants to dwell in man’;s hearts...
He wants to dwell in youre...
If you will let Him...
Thus ends this lesson...
That was good preaching, Nana...
Cost of the lesson...
Free to the spiritually poverty stricken n00b...
Would Christ’s true church exclude anyone from salvation?
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Well since you asked me...
I;ll tell you, n00b...
No church has anything to do with deciding whether or not someone will get saved...
Jesus is the head of His church and its up to Him ...
And He has already done everytrhing necessary for salvation...
If the question was to be...
Would Christ exclude anyone from salvation?
Then, YES, there will be lots of people who will not be saved...
There is a Heaven for those who are saved...
and there is a Hell for those who are not saved...
Jesus Himself said that those who do not believe will be damned...Mark 16:16
Jesus talked a lot about Hell and warned us not to go there...
Lots of people hear the salvation message and then choose to go to Hell..
Like Joey Smith who invented his home made religion, mormonmism because he hated Christianity...
Joey Smith heard the Gospel preached but turned his back on Jesus and even boasted he was greater than Jesus...
So one month later God destroyed Joey Smith...
He got himself killed in a gun fight breaking out of jail ...
He murdered two men during the fight...
Right now the murderer and false prophet, Joey Smith is rotting in Hell...
He will never get ut of there...
It’s too late for him...
He’s dead...and that’s it...
n00b you do not want to go where Joey Smith is right now...
While you are still alive there is still hope for you to be saved...
Long read. Needs and editor.
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