New astrophysical discoveries leave little to no room for Atheism, expert says

CNA ^ | 9/30/2009

[parsifal]

“We know little about singularities. In fact some scientists believe that micro-singularities might temporarily exist throughout our own universe and even on the Earth itself.”

Of course they do. We call them “women.”

parsy, who says think about it

[Candor7]

According to certain Buddhist tantra about dakinis, you are absolutely correct:

http://vajrayogini.com/Books_&_Media/Vajrayogini_Books/Vajrayogini_Sadhana_and_Commentary/

[narses]

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Obama: “If they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby.”

[American Constitutionalist]

" I think one could sufficiently write up a convincing dissertation (or thesis) proving that God withholds certain elements of “common sense” from those in the upper echelon of science (such as the above)..and grants it to the poor. " ( For it is written, so shall it be done )

For the natural man ( heathen, worldly , un saved ) can not understand, comprehend, perceive nor can ever perceive or understand the things of the spirit of God for they are contrary to his thinking and understanding.
It is only then, once a un regenerate man becomes " BORN AGAIN " of the spirit, and being filled with the spirit of God can he only then understand the things of the spirit of God.

I Corinthians chapter 1 : verses 18 - 31

18. For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19For it is written:

"I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate."

20. Where is the wise man? Where is the scholar?
Where is the philosopher of this age?
Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?

21. For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe.
22. Jews demand miraculous signs and Greeks look for wisdom,
23. but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles,
24. but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.
25. For the foolishness of God is wiser than man's wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than man's strength.

26. Brothers, think of what you were when you were called.
Not many of you were wise by human standards; not many were influential; not many were of noble birth.
27. But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong.
28. He chose the lowly things of this world and the despised things—and the things that are not—to nullify the things that are,
29. so that no one may boast before him.
30. It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God—that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption.
31. Therefore, as it is written: "Let him who boasts boast in the Lord."



(King James Version)
1 Corinthians 2

1. And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God.
2. For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.
3. And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling.
4. And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:
5. That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.
6. Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:
7. But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
8. Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
9. But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
10. But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
11. For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
12. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13. Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
15. But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
16. For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ.

[rdl6989]

Amen.

[Aggie Mama]

Okay. I looked that up just now. Is there anyway you can explain it to me in simple terms? Even the Wikipedia version was too complicated for me!

[Habibi]

What is there about these theologian/pseudo-scientist that compels them to ignore faith in explaining the supernatural? They think nothing of treading in areas where they are clearly unqualified. Not that cosmology is “settled science”. It’s just that there are real scientists that are far more qualified than the folks trying to wear two hats at the same time.

[American Constitutionalist]

" We know little about singularities. In fact some scientists believe that micro-singularities might temporarily exist throughout our own universe and even on the Earth itself. "


Biblical connections to Heaven.


Genesis chapter 28 : verses 11-12

11. And he lighted upon a certain place, and tarried there all night, because the sun was set; and he took of the stones of that place, and put them for his pillows, and lay down in that place to sleep.

12. And he dreamed, and behold a ladder set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to heaven: and behold the angels of God ascending and descending on it.


John chapter 1 : verses 47-51

47. Jesus saw Nathanael coming to him, and saith of him, Behold an Israelite indeed, in whom is no guile!

48. Nathanael saith unto him, Whence knowest thou me? Jesus answered and said unto him, Before that Philip called thee, when thou wast under the fig tree, I saw thee.

49. Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel.

50. Jesus answered and said unto him, Because I said unto thee, I saw thee under the fig tree, believest thou? thou shalt see greater things than these.

51. And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man.

(King James Version)

John 5

1. After this there was a feast of the Jews; and Jesus went up to Jerusalem.

2. Now there is at Jerusalem by the sheep market a pool, which is called in the Hebrew tongue Bethesda, having five porches.

3. In these lay a great multitude of impotent folk, of blind, halt, withered, waiting for the moving of the water.

4. For an angel went down at a certain season into the pool, and troubled the water: whosoever then first after the troubling of the water stepped in was made whole of whatsoever disease he had.

5. And a certain man was there, which had an infirmity thirty and eight years.


John 14 : verse 6
Jesus saith unto him " I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. "

[boatbums]

Thank you. Nothing touches my heart more than the Word of God.

[Candor7]

Thanks for the review.

[CTrent1564]

American Constitutionalist:

You are quoting scripture to and audience [secular humanist] that does not want to hear it. Fr. Spitzer is coming from a cosmological perspective to get to the existence of God and doing it in a way that challenges “secular humanistic moral relativistic culture”, and thus his arguments are not aimed for those who already believe in God, rather, it is a way to make the rationalistic atheist come to the conclusion that science itself, which is also part of God’s creation points back to the Creator himself, for as Pope John Paul II, of blessed memory, stated, Truth can’t contradict Truth.

Thus, Science itself and creation reveals the great creative power of God and thus scientific truths and theological truths are not competing philosophies as they all come from God, who as the Nicene Creed states, “I believe in God, the Father Almighty, Creator of Heavan and Earth and all things seen and unseen”

regards

[American Constitutionalist]

[American Constitutionalist]

" You are quoting scripture to and audience [secular humanist] that does not want to hear it. "

Understood, and your point taken...

However ? .... " Do not want to hear it " ... is at the " HEART " of the matter ....
Those scriptures explain why that the things of God can not be understood by the natural man ( humanistic, un saved )
because they have to be seen by the Holy Spirit of God , and spiritually discerned by the Holy Spirit of God.

Once again, it's a matter of the heart.

[annalex]

God is triune and the empirical evidence points to the Triune God. The evidence of the creaton points to the Creator, the evidence of the Gospel points to the Son, and the evidence of the Church Militant 2,000 years later points to the Holy Spirit in our midst.

Neither of these three has a materialistic explanation.

[onedoug]

Roger Penrose, "The Road To Reality: A Complete Guide To The Physical Universe"

'Pretty good at elucidating some of the basics of higher math.

[r9etb]

A very interesting topic. Alas, I would much rather have a transcript of the talk, than this rather poorly-written summary of it....

[r9etb]

A poorly-written article, but the topic is interesting.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the ping!

[GL of Sector 2814]

You've simply restated Pascal's Wager. Please see these refutations:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal%27s_wager#Criticisms

[CTrent1564]

annalex and American Constitutionalist:

Good thread and good posts by both of you. I am in total agreement with the orthodox Catholic teaching on the Holy Trinity. I was only quoting an excerpt from the Nicene Creed to make a point, i.e. that secular atheist, whose sole creed is based on rationalism and empiricism are confronted with evidence that points to a Creator, then perhaps their minds and thus hopefull their hearts will be open to the Christianity and faith in the Holy Trinity.

So Fr. Spitzer who is a very orthodox Jesuit and an excellent academic [he has a Ph.D. in Physics, I think, along with Cosmology] and scholar is the type of Catholic Priest who has the ability to confront secular humanism on scientific grounds and thus open them up to the reality of God and then hopefully that will lead to faith in Christ and of course as a Catholic, I hope into full communion with the Catholic Church.

Regards