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Can Joel Osteen Help You Pay Your Bills?
CNN ^ | 12/18/09 | Christine Romans

Posted on 12/19/2009 6:37:28 PM PST by marshmallow

Houston, Texas (CNN) -- Joel Osteen strides into the former Compaq Center. Some 20,000 people are standing and singing. Purple lights softly pulse across the ceiling, and mist floats around two giant screens flashing words to the songs.

It's not a pulpit but a podium. It's not an altar but a stage. There is no cross. Instead a huge globe spins, and two massive bubbling creeks flank the stage. A lighting system softens distant corners of the massive arena and spreads colored light and smoke in strategic spots. Somehow, the space that will hold 40,000-plus on Sunday morning doesn't feel like a sports arena.

In the control room, producers watch multiple camera angles and feeds.

Smiling broadly, Osteen bounds up the few stairs to the stage, closes his eyes, lifts his hands and leads a prayer.

"God, I'm going to start this week off in faith. Expecting your goodness. Expecting to have a blessed and a prosperous week. Amen. Well, God bless you. Give him your very best today."

Welcome to Sunday morning at Lakewood Church in Houston, Texas. It's reportedly the nation's largest congregation and probably one of the most diverse places in America. One third of these churchgoers are Hispanic, one-third African-American and a quarter white. There are dozens of nationalities.

Osteen will give this sermon twice. He later said he knows immediately which segments to edit together into a sermon that will air on television to millions three weeks later.

Between services, he is signing his most recent book in the lobby, just past the bookstore that is one of the highest-grossing Christian bookstores in America.

His wife, Victoria, is co-pastor of the church and a best-selling author in her own right. In fact, the Osteens are not paid to be pastors at Lakewood, according to .............

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To: Steelfish

Both of them are theological “children”.


81 posted on 12/19/2009 8:30:14 PM PST by Gapplega
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To: proudofthesouth

I have resisted in purchasing all symbols of the faith, from the cross necklace to the fish on the backs of cars to the angel pens. Actually I think the one angel pen I saw in a store turned me off completely to Christian symbol merchandise. It was a fancy pen with a gaudy angel on the pen clip. In general, I just resist the whole marketing ploy that I see with the symbols (I’m cheap that way too). It doesn’t remind me one way or another of Christ. In fact, you can prob. make a case against displaying fish symbols on cars if you’re an angry or terrible driver.


82 posted on 12/19/2009 8:30:20 PM PST by tenger (If we don't stay on 'em, they'll get it wrong -Soucheray)
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To: Quix
If one plumbs the depths of Joel's preaching, one will find much from which to benefit. His simple message reflect the simplicity that's in Christ, but the Pharisees think its shallowness.

Why is there so much hatred towards this guy? Well, I think the Devil hates him because Osteen's got a secret about victory that if embraced can turn a useless Christian into a powerful force of faith for God and against darkness. If he can't keep you from accepting Jesus, Satan's next step is to make you a weak, joyless, useless believer who won't bother his plans or his kingdom of darkness.

83 posted on 12/19/2009 8:35:46 PM PST by Jim 0216
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To: Jim 0216

I think there is great truth in your assertions.

Thx.


84 posted on 12/19/2009 8:36:58 PM PST by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: presently no screen name

I think he teaches faith better than most.

He helps make it easier, i.e. more functional—workable, to practically ‘walk out’ a faith attitude, orientation, thought-life.

vs pie in the sky notions of faith.


85 posted on 12/19/2009 8:38:43 PM PST by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix
taking each thought captive

Ok. Now that's good! Our thoughts for the mind of Christ. What God thinks, wants, says about us. Like who we are in Christ. We are overcomers. Anything that is not of faith is sin. So we must walk in faith daily.

Not sure what the problem is about Joel - don't watch him so I'm not the expert here. One thing - I'm sure his father (and mother) spoke blessings over him since he was born.
86 posted on 12/19/2009 8:39:03 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: Quix

You bet my friend. We’re in a fight and it’s not against flesh and blood. Let’s continue to “earnestly contend for the faith that was once delivered to the saints.” Jude 1:3


87 posted on 12/19/2009 8:40:21 PM PST by Jim 0216
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To: presently no screen name

I’m sure you’re right.

I don’t know much about the dad except what Joel’s told in his preaching.

Sounds like he may have been slightly more . . . well rounded in his preaching yet still overwhelmingly positive. Joel seems to have carried the positive focus to another level.

I admire him for carrying forward his father’s Biblical vision and focus to greater heights. Many sons would have bastardized it horribly or fumbled it horribly or both.


88 posted on 12/19/2009 8:43:38 PM PST by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Steelfish; All

This argument is so lame.

How can you be a blessing unless you have the means to be a blessing ..??

I’ve never seen a poor person who helped another poor person. In order to help someone you have to have the finances to bless someone else. You can’t give what you don’t have.

Besides, God wrote it: “Beloved, above all I wish that you mayest prosper and be in good health, EVEN AS YOUR SOUL PROSPERS”. So while you’re learning more and more about God, God is planning on you being able to prosper financially as well. Perhaps a better job will come your way - unless of course you don’t believe God can do those things.

It’s sad really. You don’t believe God .. so you don’t want anybody else to believe either; because if others believe, then it makes you look bad.


89 posted on 12/19/2009 8:43:46 PM PST by CyberAnt (Healthcare is not a RIGHT guaranteed by the Constitution)
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To: Jim 0216

INDEED.


90 posted on 12/19/2009 8:44:57 PM PST by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Gapplega

“It was collated by the Catholic Church.”

You’re painting with an overly broad brush.

Until the Gutenberg printing press it is estimated that there were only about 30 to 50 complete copies of what we would consider a compilation of anything like our modern Bible. There was much dissent over what constituted the canon of scripture from the early church on (and the dissent continues today).

And the parts were not removed because someone was ‘offended’. Parts were considered to be worthy of inclusion based on specific tenets such as Apostolic Origin.


91 posted on 12/19/2009 8:45:41 PM PST by webstersII
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To: marshmallow

Well .. enjoy your negative views of the scriptures .. quite frankly it’s getting boring.


92 posted on 12/19/2009 8:46:40 PM PST by CyberAnt (Healthcare is not a RIGHT guaranteed by the Constitution)
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To: HiramQuick

Well .. good luck with your “theory”.


93 posted on 12/19/2009 8:47:47 PM PST by CyberAnt (Healthcare is not a RIGHT guaranteed by the Constitution)
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To: CyberAnt

I listened to dozens of Kenneth Hagin tapes in my earlier years—a lot.

I rarely heard him say anything I could quibble much about.

His disciples [including his son] seemed to take things and run at least a bit sky west and crooked with them.

I think Kenneth Copeland is the best of them.

Regardless, the teachings ARE BASED ON SOLID SCRIPTURE.

GOD SAID

I would that you prosper and be in health even as your soul prospers.

And Henry Wright has been documenting that quite emphatically in a list of ways in helping people get healed of many incurable diseases.


94 posted on 12/19/2009 8:50:23 PM PST by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: marshmallow
As the saying goes...."no cross, no Christ".

Really?

Funny, there are hundreds of thousands if not millions of Christian churches around the world who do not have a cross in them.

And yet they are far better Christians then many I have met here in the States.

95 posted on 12/19/2009 8:53:26 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (I miss the competent fiscal policy and flag waving patriotism of the Carter Administration)
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To: Steelfish

I missed your point in that post.

Sounds like Osteen says that God wants us to improve our lives, have enough to live and some left over for others. What’s wrong with that? There are lots of promises in the NT where we are told that God will take care of our physical needs. Are you disagreeing with that?


96 posted on 12/19/2009 8:56:30 PM PST by webstersII
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To: Quix
I watched his dad about 20 yrs ago. I was watching, listening, reading to alot - was very hungry. He was good and he was born into poverty. I'm sure Joel spoke about his father's beginnings.

overwhelmingly positive

Yes. Anything else is giving a foothold to you know who! Been there, done that! I was one of - 'my people suffer for a lack of knowledge'.
97 posted on 12/19/2009 9:00:46 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: webstersII

Osteen preaches a Gospel that is antithetical to what took place in an Animal Manger in Bethlehem; on Mount Calvary; and the Empty Tomb.


98 posted on 12/19/2009 9:02:08 PM PST by Steelfish
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

Some churches are underground and have to go place to place with nothing but The Word! They know that’s all they need.


99 posted on 12/19/2009 9:03:29 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: proudofthesouth
I can't imagine a Christian church NOT having a cross. What would be the reason why they wouldn't have one?

Because it's a curse...Because it's a shame...Because Jesus was murdered there...Because the Jesus that we worship IS NOT THERE...He is risen...

I've been to churches with crosses and churches without crosses...Didn't see any difference in the preaching or the people...

100 posted on 12/19/2009 9:05:12 PM PST by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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