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Posted on 01/29/2010 1:48:24 PM PST by lightman
Scott Roeder Convicted of Murdering Dr. George Tiller, ELCA Member
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CHICAGO (ELCA) -- A Kansas jury convicted Scott Roeder of first-degree murder Jan. 29. Roeder gunned down Dr. George Tiller, a member of Reformation Lutheran Church, Wichita, Kan., in the church foyer before Sunday service May 31. Tiller was one of a few physicians in the United States who performed late-term abortions and was often targeted by anti-abortion protests. Reformation is a congregation of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA).
According to CNN Roeder testified that he shot Tiller to protect unborn children. He said he had no regrets in killing Tiller.
Members of Reformation testified that they had seen Roeder at church several times before the day he shot Tiller at point-blank range in the head.
Roeder, 51, Kansas City, Mo., faces life in prison.
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Kyrie Eleison.
* as of August 19, AD 2009, a liberal protestant SECT, not part of the holy, catholic and apostolic CHURCH.
I am not sure how I feel about this.
Moral Absolutes & Pro-life ping.
REPENT!! or spend a lot of time with Tiller in eternity.
Murder is not a remedy. Being surrounded by great evil is a consequence of the human condition, while at the same time being surrounded by manifold expressions of the works of a loving, gracious and forgiving God.
"If I see that a madman is driving a car into a group of innocent bystanders, then I can't as a Christian simply wait, comfort the wounded and bury the dead. I must try to wrest the steering wheel out of the hands of the madman.
There is no doubt that Dr. Tiller was a madman. However, a gunman who takes the law into his own hands and violates holy space on the holy day of Pentecost is equally mad.
In this case and some others I disagree.Think of the number of babies this murdering nazi cannot kill now.Think of the number of babies who would otherwise have met a terrible fate had this guy not been stopped.State sponsored murder of the unborn is no excuse.
By Diogenes | January 29, 2010 2:14 PM
A Kansas jury needed only 40 minutes to deliberate before delivering a guilty verdict in the murder trial of Scott Roeder, who killed the infamous later-term abortion specialist George Tiller.
There was never any doubt that Roeder was the man who shot Tiller in the head last May. Roeder even admitted that he had planned the killing. The defendant's lawyers argued only that the criminal charge should be something short of murder-- voluntary manslaughter, perhaps-- because Roeder said that he had killed Roeder in order to save others-- unborn children-- from harm.
That argument is undermined by the fact that at the actual time of the shooting, Tiller was participating in Sunday services at his Lutheran parish church. But the judge who presided at the trial instructed the jury to disregard the "necessity defense" for another reason as well. The Wall Street Journal reports:
Judge Wilbert said that didn't apply in this case because Dr. Tiller posed no imminent threat to anyone as he stood in his church and because his abortion practice was legal.
A CNN account provides the judge's actual words:
There is no imminence of danger on a Sunday morning in the back of a church, let alone any unlawful conduct, given that what Tiller did at his clinic Monday through Friday is lawful in Kansas.
While in church he wasn't a threat; that argument is unanswerable. There was no need, then, for the judge to add a second argument. But he did: He said that abortion cannot be a threat to anyone because it is legal.
If it's legal, it's not harmful. Think about how that argument applies to:
The abortion doctor.
The abortion doctor's killer.
The most evil of all, the cult that gave aid, comfort and respectability to the abortion doctor.
If "Operation Valkyrie" was a success in killing Hitler, his assassins would today be known as...
Heroes or murderers?
That’s the point I am troubled with. What’s the difference between a late-term abortionist and a madman gunning down kids in a kindergarten? Not much, in my view.
I don’t know if Roeder thought he was avenging the death of those children or if he was acting, with full knowledge and acceptance of the consequences - both temporal and spiritual - to protect the lives of other children.
One of the most significant differences between Christianity and Islam is, in my view, that Christians do not believe that evil actions are excused if they are performed in God’s name. Christians do not rape, murder, plunder, pillage and burn in the name of Christ. (Not recently, anyhow. I have heard stories about the crusades.)
However, I can see a situation where a Christian might say to himself, “This evil must not stand, even if it results in my death at the hand of the state and eternal damnation at the hands of the Lord.”
I am not saying I believe this is the case here. But I am also not ruling it out.
His moral cause was not dissimilar to that of John Brown. Brown was-—and still is— hailed as martyr by many folks that align themselves with the abortion rights agenda.
Heroes or murderers?
Even though the operation failed, the Lutheran church is still left with a variation of that question.
Bonhoffer's death date appears on the Lutheran calendar of Commemorations, a calendar which includes such universally undisputed Saints as Patrick of Ireland and Martyrs such as Polycarp of Symrna.
The calendar rubrics indicate that white vestments are to be used for Saints' Commemorations, red for Martyrs.
So which color should be used for Bonhoffer?
The rubrics say red, but I find that problematic because he did not really die for the Faith.
Well......we’ve got a wack job murder off the streets forever and a evil baby killer pushing up dasies. Sure has the feel of a win-win scenario to me. just sayin.......
“REPENT!! or spend a lot of time with Tiller in eternity.”
Disagree. Killing in defense of human life isn’t a sin. Some guy pulls a gun in a mall and starts blasting away, and I pull mine and blow him out of his socks.
Am I going to hell?
Wasn't Roeder basically a passionate man against abortion, albeit non violent .. until he was diagnosed with terminal cancer .... or something like that?
HANG THIS MURDERING JERK.
Depends of whether you've repented and accepted Christ with your heart. And that's the same whether you smoke the dude in the mall or not.
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