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Disagreement Among Protestants and Sola Scriptura
Just for Catholics ^ | Dr Joe Mizz

Posted on 02/22/2010 10:17:55 AM PST by Between the Lines

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1 posted on 02/22/2010 10:17:55 AM PST by Between the Lines
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To: Between the Lines

“The fault is not in the Scripture but in the human heart.”

Oh, so it isn’t that sola scriptura is just unscriptural. It’s UNWORKABLE AND USELESS. Gee, that should make Protestants feel soooo much better.


2 posted on 02/22/2010 10:25:06 AM PST by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: Between the Lines
Define "Sola Scriptura"
3 posted on 02/22/2010 10:25:31 AM PST by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: Between the Lines

Its a human thing. You and I are never going to agree on everything all the time.

So, we cooperate where we can. Agree to disagree where we can’t. Love each other in all seasons.

God directs the orchestra.


4 posted on 02/22/2010 10:25:46 AM PST by marron
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To: marron
God directs the orchestra.

Beautifully put.

5 posted on 02/22/2010 10:30:07 AM PST by Between the Lines (AreYouWhoYouSayYouAre? Esse Quam Videri - To Be, Rather Than To Seem)
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To: vladimir998

Even Satan quotes scripture. Out of context and not in it’s entirety, just as those who Satan might use do.


6 posted on 02/22/2010 10:33:02 AM PST by Between the Lines (AreYouWhoYouSayYouAre? Esse Quam Videri - To Be, Rather Than To Seem)
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To: marron
God directs the orchestra.

Excellent analogy.

7 posted on 02/22/2010 10:33:35 AM PST by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: Between the Lines; drstevej; OrthodoxPresbyterian; CCWoody; Wrigley; Gamecock; Jean Chauvin; ...
Good article, btl. Thanks for posting it.

You rashly attribute the differences of opinions among Christians to 'Sola Sciptura' - namely, the Protestant belief that the Holy Scripture is the only infallible rule of Christian doctrine. The fault is not in the Scripture but in the human heart.

Amen. And it is God alone who exchanges the heart of stone for a heart of flesh.

"A man's heart deviseth his way: but the LORD directeth his steps." -- Proverbs 16:9

8 posted on 02/22/2010 10:34:33 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: P8riot
Define "Sola Scriptura"

Just use your definition and run with that.

9 posted on 02/22/2010 10:35:51 AM PST by Between the Lines (AreYouWhoYouSayYouAre? Esse Quam Videri - To Be, Rather Than To Seem)
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To: Between the Lines

That was the gospel reading at Mass yesterday:

Gospel
Lk 4:1-13
Filled with the Holy Spirit, Jesus returned from the Jordan
and was led by the Spirit into the desert for forty days,
to be tempted by the devil.
He ate nothing during those days,
and when they were over he was hungry.
The devil said to him,
“If you are the Son of God,
command this stone to become bread.”
Jesus answered him,
“It is written, One does not live on bread alone.”
Then he took him up and showed him
all the kingdoms of the world in a single instant.
The devil said to him,
“I shall give to you all this power and glory;
for it has been handed over to me,
and I may give it to whomever I wish.
All this will be yours, if you worship me.”
Jesus said to him in reply,
“It is written:
You shall worship the Lord, your God,
and him alone shall you serve.”
Then he led him to Jerusalem,
made him stand on the parapet of the temple, and said to him,
“If you are the Son of God,
throw yourself down from here, for it is written:
He will command his angels concerning you, to guard you,
and:
With their hands they will support you,
lest you dash your foot against a stone.”
Jesus said to him in reply,
“It also says,
You shall not put the Lord, your God, to the test.”
When the devil had finished every temptation, he departed from him for a time.


10 posted on 02/22/2010 10:38:22 AM PST by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: Between the Lines

Martin Luther advocated that the Roman Catholic Church utilize the conceot of the five solas the five fundamentalbeliefs of what became the Protestant reformation

To say the protestants focused only on Sola Scriptura - by scripture alone is a misnomer the usage of sola (adjective) and the scriptura (noun) are in the ablative case rather than the nominative case - it indicates that the Bible does not stand alone apart from God, but rather that it is the instrument of God whiche he reveals hinself through the faith in Christ

solo Christus christ alone - christ is the mediator, not Mary or the sacraments as administered by the pope (sacerdotalism) - Luther advocated the priesthood of all believers

sola fide by faith alone - salvation by faith alone doctrine by which the church stands or falls (articulus stantis et cadentitis ecclesiae

sola gratia - by grace alone salvation is an unearned gift from God for Jesus’ sake God acts alone to save the sinner unlike modern evangelicalism - synergism Armininaism is that the person has a free will choice to either acceot or reject Gods grace

Soli Deo Gloria glory to God Alone all glory is to god alone.

yes there are problems within the protestant churches, similar to the problems within the Catholic Church

clarifying that Protestant utilize all five pillars of faith. but many church denominations have rejected these pillars. The Protestant Reformation allowed the Catholc Church to correct many of its faults too.


11 posted on 02/22/2010 10:42:09 AM PST by hondact200 (hondact200 No to Socialism - Michigan destroyed by Progressive Liberal Populism)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Thank you so much for that beautiful Scripture, dear sister in Christ, and thanks for the ping!


12 posted on 02/22/2010 10:45:32 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: P8riot

The scriptures are the final authority on matters of faith and morals...my definition :)


13 posted on 02/22/2010 10:52:42 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: marron
God directs the orchestra.

The question is where is where do we find the music ?

14 posted on 02/22/2010 10:53:54 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: Between the Lines
Ha ha.

The reason I ask, is because many folks do not understand the difference between sola scriptura and solo scriptura.

15 posted on 02/22/2010 10:54:51 AM PST by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: vladimir998

Notice how Christ responded...with scripture, not the traditions of the Pharisees


16 posted on 02/22/2010 10:57:01 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7

You wrote:

“Notice how Christ responded...with scripture, not the traditions of the Pharisees”

Yes. And yet He told His disciples to obey the Pharisees when they sat in the seat of Moses - which is when they would use tradition to explain the observance of the law.


17 posted on 02/22/2010 11:01:57 AM PST by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: RnMomof7
The question is where do we find the music ?

lol. Yep.

"So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

For ye shall go out with joy, and be led forth with peace: the mountains and the hills shall break forth before you into singing, and all the trees of the field shall clap their hands." -- Isaiah 55:11-12


18 posted on 02/22/2010 11:15:03 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: RnMomof7
Notice how Christ responded...with scripture, not the traditions of the Pharisees

I just posted this a few minutes ago on another Sola Scriptura thread:

Not directly related, but for me, the greatest proof of the concept of Sola Scriptura has always been when Christ was tempted. Remember, now, Jesus had known Lucifer personally from virtually the beginning of eternity. Christ was there when Lucifer rebelled and was kicked out of Heaven. There's history between the two. Yet, when tempted, Christ responded with Scriptures that were less than a thousand years old - an eyeblink compared to how long the two had known each other. Christ didn't say anything like "You remember back when the Father created Michael...." or anything like that. Christ Himself responded with Scripture, and Scripture alone, three times. That's a HUGE argument in favor of the sufficiency of Scripture.

19 posted on 02/22/2010 11:15:37 AM PST by Terabitten (Vets wrote a blank check, payable to the Constitution, for an amount up to and including their life.)
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To: vladimir998
Yes. And yet He told His disciples to obey the Pharisees when they sat in the seat of Moses - which is when they would use tradition to explain the observance of the law.

Why, do you think? Was it because what they were teaching was correct, or to simply avoid a fight in the middle of the Temple?

20 posted on 02/22/2010 11:16:30 AM PST by Terabitten (Vets wrote a blank check, payable to the Constitution, for an amount up to and including their life.)
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