Posted on 03/25/2010 12:58:38 PM PDT by TaraP
The world will have an extraordinary opportunity to look upon an undistorted, never-before-seen, moving 3-D portrait of a man who many think is the crucified Jesus Christ.
In just one week, graphic experts will bring to life an imprint on the holy relic known as the Shroud of Turin, believed by millions to be the burial shroud of Christ.
The Shroud of Turin bears the full-body, back-and-front image of a crucified man that is said to closely resemble the New Testament description of the passion and death of Christ. The 14-foot cloth long has posed mysteries because of its age and its negative image of a bloodstained and battered man who had been crucified. Believers claim it to be the miraculous image of Jesus, formed as he rose from the dead.
The History Channel will air "The Real Face of Jesus?," a special two-hour event that premieres March 30 at 9 p.m. EST. It aims to bring the world as close as it has ever come to seeing what Jesus may have actually looked like.
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Thanks! We are fortunate indeed to have so many knowledgeable people here on Free Republic, and specifically on the Religion forum.
Patently untrue. The radiocarbon dating tests to which you refer have long since been shot down for numerous reasons, the primary being the fact that the samples tested came from a re-woven area of the Shroud vs. original cloth. That is established fact.
See the work of the late Sue Benford and the fantastic paper on the topic by the late Ray Rogers (of Los Alamos).
I suggest that you (frankly, everyone) do your homework before saying such things that have been disproven or shot down for years.
Patently untrue. Wrong on steroids.
You are referring to the Shroud of Turin Research Project ("STURP") team investigation in 1978. The primary organizer of that team is not only one of my best friends, but also my co-founder of an organization dedicated to scientific research on the Shroud.
STURP did anything BUT claim it was anything remotely resembling "a Medieval fake". Far from it.
No. A 13th Century patch has been carbon dated no older than the 13th Century.
The image was formed by an energetic event; the “energy” went straight up and straight down. That has long been established.
Now....we’re trying to determine exactly what KIND of energy; precisely what energetic process was involved. It’s fascinating, frankly.
It’s also totally unique. When we all die, we become worm food.
Not this guy.
Not really, no. His face has evidence of bruising beneath one eye consistent with either being struck or from a fall. His nose was broken (cartilege); no broken bones. The scourging was done by two men (one more vicious than the other), one on either side, each wielding a Roman "flagrum", each flagrum having three thongs, each thong terminating in a dumbbell-shaped piece of metal called "tortilla".
Over 120 tortilla marks have been found, equating to 40+ lashes. He was whipped over his entire body except the palms of his hands, soles of his feet...........and his face.
So yes, his face is remarkably intact and would be highly recognizable by any who knew him in life.
WOW - Thanks for that link!
Yes, that’s Isabel’s work. Isabel Piczek is a certified genius; got a PhD in particle physics at age 13 1/2 (I kid you not). While she was at it, got her Masters from the Hungarian Art Institute at the same age.
She is, by profession, a “monumental artist” of significant renown. She’s very much at home 70’ up in the air, preparing Christian murals averaging 70’ x 40-50’ across.
As an aside......did her first mural at the Vatican at age 14.
She is the leading theoretical particle physicist on the planet today.....and one of the sweetest, nicest ladies you’d ever hope to meet. I just love ‘er to pieces.
He was beaten and scourged brutally, yes, but it doesn't say beyond recognition.
The face in the Shroud show a broken nose, cheekbone, swollen eye, etc... so when rendering a drawing/painting, those are taken in consideration - as they wee in the earliest of the iconic paintings - and those following/
http://www.shroudofturin4journalists.com/pantocrator.htm
You are exactly correct. Dr. Alan Whanger (professor emeritus from Duke University), a close friend of our organization, has done the lion’s share of that research.
Well, no.......that was actually established in the late 1800's when it was first photographed, so we've known this for over 100 years, not 5.
Well tell ya what, sport. You say it’s a “hoax”, and I can lay out decades of research from some of the world’s leading scientific researchers in physics, radiology, botany, anthropology, medicine, forensics, ancient history, textiles, art....you name it....who refute you.
Now, wanna compare notes? Or do you fear the facts, the truth as so many seem to?
Well, not really.
STURP did no DNA analysis....and the guy that wrote that book you're referring to went WAY off the reservation. Got in some trouble for it, too.
However, the blood HAS been typed as AB+ and is definitely human blood. We even know which blood was from when he was alive and which blood was post-mortum (i.e. the blood from the spear thrust in his anatomical right side).
Thanks for all of your posts on this threads, they are fascinating.
You’re very welcome. You’ve put some good stuff up in this thread, yourself. A refreshing change over some of the tripe I tend to see on “Shroud” threads here on FR.
It's also important to note that a medieval forger would have had NO KNOWLEDGE that there even were different blood types, nor would he have known that science would one day be able to determine whether or not blood came from a living person or a dead person. In fact, a medieval forger wouldn't have even considered it important to use human blood.
I have always believed that the Shroud is the burial cloth of our Lord, but I’ve looked at it from a “devil’s advocate” position and that has only strengthened my belief that it is genuine.
Could a medieval artist have created a forgery that fooled his contemporaries? Sure. Could he have created a forgery that modern science was unable to disprove? Not a chance.
Yes...then add the following (just a few of many such tidbits):
- There is no debt of directionality in the image; no brushstrokes. It is not the result of human eye-hand coordination. The image is the product of “random information”. Pretty hard to fake that.
- The flow of the blood (arms, etc.) “obeys” the laws of circulation and gravity; “laws” that didn’t exist for another 500 years (if, ahem, it was a “medieval fraud”).
- While we’re at it, if it was created in Medieval times, how is it that this was 500 years before the concept of photo-negativity was even known?
- You can’t even make out details of the image until you’re about 11 ft. away from it. Our “medieval forger” would have needed one hell of long paint brush, eh?
- It exhibits many characteristics of an autoradiograph (aka “x-ray”). Can make out the orbits of the eyes, teeth, bones (ever wonder why his fingers look so long?), even his sinus cavities. Interesting things to forge......
- Notice his thumbs are missing. This is because during crucifixion, nails were driven though the wrists (NOT the palms of the hands; they’d never support the body’s weight). By doing this, you damage the median nerves. Adds an incredible amount of pain as well as holding the body’s weight.
Also makes the thumbs fold inward. Interesting tidbit for a “forger” to catch, methinks.
- It’s been established since 1978 that there are no dyes or pigments or stains that in any way coincide with the image on the Shroud. None.
Excellent points!
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