Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Wiccan Murders?
Examiner.com ^ | March 25, 2010 AD | Mariano Grinbank

Posted on 03/26/2010 6:47:44 AM PDT by MarianoApologeticus

As Wiccans seek to educate Albuquerque on their beliefs—due to a recent murder—they should also learn from this event.

When they besmirch “Christians” and “Christianity” for persecution of witches, may they remember the very same points that they are now emphasizing to us. The Bible commands us to love our neighbors (aka anybody/everybody) and even to love our enemies. Since those actions were contrary to biblical Christianity, they should no more be correlated with it than this murder is to be correlated to Wicca.

Another recent Wiccan murder was reported at this link.


TOPICS: Current Events; Moral Issues; Other non-Christian; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: christianity; wicca

1 posted on 03/26/2010 6:47:45 AM PDT by MarianoApologeticus
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: MarianoApologeticus
A Wiccan who turns to murder violates the most basic tenet of their beliefs...

"An it harm none, do what thou will."

2 posted on 03/26/2010 6:52:15 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (III, Oathkeeper)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: MarianoApologeticus

A distinction should be drawn between a murder committed by a Wiccan (or Christian, Jew or Muslim) and a murder committed by a person of a particular faith in perceived obedience to the instructions of his religion. Regardless of how mistaken that belief may be.

Only the second type should be classified as a Wiccan, Christian, Jewish or Muslim murder.


3 posted on 03/26/2010 6:55:01 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Dead Corpse

Sorry Charlie. Do what thou wilt is from Crowley. And the “An it harm none” isn’t in there. The full phrase is “Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.” Truly Satanic, guaranteed destruction for anyone following the precept. Crowley died impoverished and a heroin addict.


4 posted on 03/26/2010 6:56:01 AM PDT by Woebama (Never, never, never quit)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Woebama

Gardnerian, actually. Crowley twisted it for his own purposes. Crowley was a Magician, not a witch.


5 posted on 03/26/2010 7:07:37 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (III, Oathkeeper)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: Woebama

Wicca - conclusive proof that we aren’t running out of fools and “adults” who like to play make-believe.


6 posted on 03/26/2010 7:15:14 AM PDT by achilles2000 (Shouting "fire" in a burning building is doing everyone a favor...whether they like it or not)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: MarianoApologeticus
The Bible commands us to love our neighbors (aka anybody/everybody) and even to love our enemies. Since those actions were contrary to biblical Christianity, they should no more be correlated with it than this murder is to be correlated to Wicca. What a pile of steaming poo. The statement seems to contradict itself. Loving your enemies is contrary to biblical Christianity?
7 posted on 03/26/2010 7:26:06 AM PDT by RoadGumby (For God so loved the world)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: RoadGumby
"What a pile of steaming poo. The statement seems to contradict itself. Loving your enemies is contrary to biblical Christianity?"

I think you misread the article. I think the clause "Since those actions" refers to persecution of witches, not "loving your enemies".

However, I think's it a pile of steaming poo, too, but for another reason. God told Israel not to allow a witch or spiritualist to live. Why?

I believe it has to do with contact with the spirtual world, which is forbidden, except for contact with God. The bible speaks of fallen angels (aka demons), spiritists, mediums, witches and contacting the dead, all of which are forbidden. Why?

I believe if you look at the false religions of the world. (Islam, Mormons, Wiccans, New Age/Hindu, etc.) They often have one thing in common. They were started through contact with spirits, other than God.

Is Islam's case, Mohammed was tortured by a spirit that he was believed was evil, until his wife convinced him otherwise. So he goes out and starts an extremely violent religion, that simultaneously claims Judeo-Christian scripture is good, yet turns many of it's precepts on it's head, all the while proclaiming itself to have no contradictions. And this allows Mohammed to satisfy his lusts, achieving power and marrying multiple women and even children.

In Mormon's case, Joseph Smith dabbled in the occult and eventually claimed to see an angel who told him that existing Christianity was "an abomination". Once again we see the leader Smith satisfy his lusts by achieving nearly absolute power over his congregation and marries multiple women, sisters, a mother and daughter, and children. And to do this he contradicts existing scripture, claiming it's full of errors and ommissions and substituting his own scripture, doctrines and desires for original scripture.

Given how many souls have been lost and will eventually be destroyed due to the practice of contacting the spirit world, it's shouldn't be surprising that God banned spiritists.

It is in the context of loving others that these people were banned. It's not loving others to let a mass murderer roam free in society and do what he wills. Neither is it loving others to allow spiritists to distort truth and lead people into damnation.

However, we saw in both Ancient Israel and Europe that government control over church led to error, even when the government was nominally Christian. Not wanting to repeat those errors we created a secular government, where the government was banned from enforcing any particular strain of religion.

In this age of information, I'm not calling to go back to the persecution. But we would do well to remember why witches were persecuted.

The Wiccan's adopt the satanist creed of "As long as you do no harm, do as you will." Even as their religion separates people from God and causes everlasting spiritual harm.

God calls us to something far better, an active love that doesn't retreat into a shell. A love that demands that we confront sin, while loving the sinner. A love that demands that we reach out to those less fortunate that ourselves. That we take care of the poor and needy, the widows, the orphans, the homeless, the hungry, etc. A love that demands that we encourage others in love and truth. A love that demands that we share the good news of Jesus Christ with all sinners that they might be restored to fellowship with our Creator.

Wiccan's have nothing to offer in comparison.

8 posted on 03/26/2010 8:06:14 AM PDT by DannyTN
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: MarianoApologeticus
I have always been amused and bemused by the statement that Christians hunted down and killed “witches”.

As an example, the individuals killed in Salem were not witches. They adamantly, unto death, proclaimed their belief in Christ and their Christianity. Again, unto death. It was the lying girls who made the claims that these individuals were witches, and who proved to be in witchcraft themselves. Salem was a case of the “witches” killing Christians, using deceit, for personal reasons. But HISTORY states that it was a case of Christians killing witches.

9 posted on 03/26/2010 8:57:22 AM PDT by wbarmy (I meant "till death do us part" and I intend to keep it.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: wbarmy

***As an example, the individuals killed in Salem were not witches. They adamantly, unto death, proclaimed their belief in Christ and their Christianity.***

True. At that time anyone who was accused, and admitted to being a witch was fined and maybe whipped then let go.
Anyone who was accused of witchcraft but denied being one was tried on “specreal evidence”, and when found guilty were hanged.

If you were arrested for being a witch, when you entered a plea of guilty or not guilty, the sherrif would seize your property and lands.

One man accused of withcraft refused to make a plea, so they laid him down, put a door on him and pressed him with rocks trying to get a plea so they could seize his property. All he would say was “More weight!”. When he died from this his lands and property could not be confiscated from his family as he had not made a plea.


10 posted on 03/26/2010 6:47:27 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Obama's vision for America...Green shoots and skittles, where pancakes grow on fritter trees.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: MarianoApologeticus

Christians do not put hexs or curses on people but pray in love for their souls.


11 posted on 03/26/2010 10:23:38 PM PDT by johngrace
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson