Obama Bares His Soul for Easter Event

Beliefnet ^ | April 6, 2010 | DANIEL BURKE

[Elsie]

 It is not our place to judge the individual, that is for God alone.

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Luke 7:43
  Simon replied, "I suppose the one who had the bigger debt canceled."   "You have judged correctly," Jesus said.

 

Luke 12:57
  "Why don't you judge for yourselves what is right?

 

 

Acts 4:19
  But Peter and John replied, "Judge for yourselves whether it is right in God's sight to obey you rather than God.

 

 

1 Corinthians 5:12
 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?

 

 

 1 Corinthians 6:1-4
 1.  If any of you has a dispute with another, dare he take it before the ungodly for judgment instead of before the saints?
 2.  Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if you are to judge the world, are you not competent to judge trivial cases?
 3.  Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more the things of this life!
 4.  Therefore, if you have disputes about such matters, appoint as judges even men of little account in the church!

 

 

 1 Corinthians 11:13
  Judge for yourselves: Is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head uncovered?

[Elsie]

I have no trouble stating that he is not, in the least, a Christian. If he were, if Christ changed him then Zero would not do what he does.

And THIS is the SAME reason that a certain unnamed politician that wants to be President is not making much traction amoung voters: his RECORD shows he's not much of a MORMON.

[Elsie]

;^)

[Graybeard58]

To: All

We’ll agree to disagree.

You disagree with everybody?

[Graybeard58]

"We are thankful for the sacrifice he gave for the sins of humanity. And we glory in the promise of redemption in the resurrection."

If he said and believes this, I can't find fault with it with the possible exception of changing the pronoun from "we", to "I". After all, he is rather fond of using "I".

"I believe in my heart and confess with my mouth that Jesus Christ is the Son of God". That would be unambiguous.

[Outlaw Woman]

FRiends all?

Of course. :)

[Godzilla]

0bama bares his soul

[Uri’el-2012]

I like this Command from Yah'shua:

John 7:24 "Do not judge according to appearance,
but judge with righteous judgment."

It always upsets the liberals no end.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

[reaganaut]

As for seeking direction in dealing with O’s religious double speak, such matters are just easily discerned, RUN with great speed, the other way.

Bless you reaganant! It has been a fun, enlighting, interesting discussion.

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I agree on both counts. :)

[reaganaut]

LOL. Appropriate, very appropriate.

[mstar]

Below is My humble opinion;

The Scriptures you have given deal with the position of the believer in two different places, in two different times, each having different properties;

1. Still on earth, dwelling in a not yet complete body, yet sealed In Christ.

2. Completed, seated with Christ, a living stone in HIS Temple, prepared for us.

Each position has different properties;

The temporary, incomplete body is able to give temporary judgment on the, as of that time temporary actions of others. This is also due to the fact, we ourselves are still imperfect. Hopefully the person with bad fruit will repent, and if lost, receive Christ as his savior. There is still time for him to do so.

The other is an eternal judgment we will give as completed, perfected creations in Christ, judging as He does, because we are a completed part of Him.

This my take on this, and yes, I could be wrong, as we all could be. We are not yet complete, still in fallen bodies, living in a fallen world, but sealed by the Holy Spirit.

Actually that is a relief since we make mistakes. Thank God, Christ has us covered.

Bless you, and thank you we can come together as brothers and sisters in Christ, to speak of all the good He has given us through the riches of His great grace.

[Uri’el-2012]

The context of the verse is Yah'shua
discussing why we must worship on Shabbat
and not follow man made traditions.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

[mstar]

Sorry, I was discussing the Elsie’s post, and saw you had add a verse, so I added your name. Excuse the ring. :) Shalom

[Elsie]

As it should...

[Elsie]

...discussing why we must worship on Shabbat ...

(can of worms time... ;^)

Romans 14:5-12
5. One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
6. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
7. For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.
8. For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.
9. For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.
10. But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
11. For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
12. So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

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Acts 15:10-32
 10.  Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of the disciples a yoke that neither we nor our fathers have been able to bear?
 11.  No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are."
 12.  The whole assembly became silent as they listened to Barnabas and Paul telling about the miraculous signs and wonders God had done among the Gentiles through them.
 13.  When they finished, James spoke up: "Brothers, listen to me.
 14.  Simon  has described to us how God at first showed his concern by taking from the Gentiles a people for himself.
 15.  The words of the prophets are in agreement with this, as it is written:
 16.  "`After this I will return and rebuild David's fallen tent. Its ruins I will rebuild, and I will restore it,
 17.  that the remnant of men may seek the Lord, and all the Gentiles who bear my name, says the Lord, who does these things'
 18.  that have been known for ages.
 19.  "It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God.
 20.  Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood.
 21.  For Moses has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath."
 22.  Then the apostles and elders, with the whole church, decided to choose some of their own men and send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas. They chose Judas (called Barsabbas) and Silas, two men who were leaders among the brothers.
 23.  With them they sent the following letter:

 

 

 The apostles and elders, your brothers, To the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia:

 

 Greetings. 

  We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said. 
  So we all agreed to choose some men and send them to you with our dear friends Barnabas and Paul-- men who have risked their lives

  for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.  Therefore we are sending Judas and Silas to confirm by word of mouth what we are writing. 
  It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: 

You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality.

You will do well to avoid these things.

 

Farewell.

 

 30.  The men were sent off and went down to Antioch, where they gathered the church together and delivered the letter.
 31.  The people read it and were glad for its encouraging message.

 

 

[mstar]

Sorry I did not know this was a discussion about the keeping of the Sabbath.

For my part, I believe the verse you are referring to in John, is Christ speaking of the true Shabbat rest found in Him, a foreshadowing of His work of Grace completed on the Cross.
I have found Col 2;16-23 backs this us.

Colossians 2:16-23 (New International Version)

16 "Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.
17These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.
18Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you for the prize. Such a person goes into great detail about what he has seen, and his unspiritual mind puffs him up with idle notions.
19He has lost connection with the Head, from whom the whole body, supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow.
20Since you died with Christ to the basic principles of this world, why, as though you still belonged to it, do you submit to its rules: 21”Do not handle! Do not taste! Do not touch!”? 22These are all destined to perish with use, because they are based on human commands and teachings.
23Such regulations indeed have an appearance of wisdom, with their self-imposed worship, their false humility and their harsh treatment of the body, but they lack any value in restraining sensual indulgence."

[Uri’el-2012]

Did the creator of the universe say: stop worshipping me on the the day that I have commanded since Genesis ?

Did Yah'shua say: I've changed my mind; I now want you to worship on the Pagan day of the sun ?

To whom does the New Covenant ( Jeremiah 31 ) refer and what does it detail ?

Circumcision of the flesh clearly has been replaced with circumcision of the heart.

People have for years twisted and tortured the Holy Word to "prove"
rejecting the Holy Word of Elohom and substitute the Pagan day of the Sun.

Sunday worship began at the Council of Laodicea circa 364 CE;
they ordered that religious observances were to be conducted on Sunday,
not Saturday. Sunday became the new Sabbath.

If you were familiar with the Holy Word of Elohim,
you would know that the Holy Spirit descended on the apostles
on the YHvH commanded Feast of Shavuot ( see Lev 23 for details )
In the LXX, Shavuot
( is also called the Feast of Weeks as it is seven weeks plus a day)
was called Pentecost; it is a YHvH commanded Feast day.

Yah'shua said :

NAsbU John 14:15 "If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

[boatbums]

Yeah...first glance! Especially because it is usually “I”, “I”, “I” this and “I”, “I”, “I” that! Funny how on THIS topic he uses a different pronoun. Funny as in ironic - not hah, hah!

How grateful I am that God IS still in control!

[boatbums]

Sunday worship began at the Council of Laodicea circa 364 CE; they ordered that religious observances were to be conducted on Sunday, not Saturday. Sunday became the new Sabbath.

Jesus himself said:

Mark 2:27-28
27And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
28Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

It would be a mistake to demand that under the new covenant that believers are to observe all the laws of Moses to be obedient to the Lord. Also, you cannot deny that after that very FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK that the believers continued to meet in honor of and remembrance of the resurrection of Christ way before the Council of Laodicea. Although they did meet for study of the Word on the Sabbaths as well, Paul commanded the believers at Colossi:

Colossians 2:16
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days

So, it seems to me, that insisting that Sunday worship is Pagan is quite a bit out of sync with the purpose of the Sabbath in the first place and is pure Judaizing legalism that GRACE overrules!

[boatbums]

Forgot to include y’all on above response post #119.