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If England Had Remained Catholic
Stanpoint ^ | April 2010 | PETER STANFORD

Posted on 04/15/2010 6:49:53 PM PDT by grand wazoo

Walsingham in north Norfolk has, architectural historians report, one of the finest extant medieval high streets in Britain. The merchant houses are packed tightly together, some with first floors that overhang the pavement, others half-timbered with leaded windows, many Grade One listed, most restored but a dwindling bunch in a sad state of neglect.

The story of this time-capsule of a village, buried deep in the lanes of the Norfolk countryside, hinges on a single year — 1537. This was when Henry VIII ordered the dissolution of the monasteries following his break with the Pope in Rome. Before that date, for almost 500 years since the Virgin Mary was believed to have appeared there to a local noble woman, Richeldis de Faverche, Walsingham had been one of the greatest Marian shrines in Europe, those historic merchant houses the fruit of the trade generated by pilgrims who walked, often barefoot, along a route that stretched back first to Ely and then London. Every English king from Edward I had prayed there, including Henry VIII himself who came in 1519 to give thanks to Our Lady of Walsingham for the birth of a short-lived son.

And after that date? Well, time effectively stood still. With the abbey and its vast priory church reduced to rubble by royal command, there were no more pilgrims and no more trade, and the high street had only the local farming community to serve. Most of the buildings were mothballed or left to rot. It was only in the 20th century that a modest revival began, with the re-establishment of first a Catholic shrine and then an Anglican one (their separateness is a lingering scar of the Reformation).

Overall, though, little has changed in Walsingham in half a millennium. Walking up its high street, from the roughly triangular Friday Market at the foot of the village to Common Ground, the-not-quite-square at its centre, it takes little effort to imagine myself back in pre-Reformation times. But what, I find myself wondering, would the rest of England look like now if it had remained Catholic?

Catholic camaraderie: Pilgrims across the mud slakes to Lindisfarne (Getty Images)

It seems I am not the only one asking the question. Last month, more than 700 people gathered in London's Royal Geographical Society to debate the motion "England Should Be a Catholic Country Again". It was, said the Spectator which had organised the event as part of a rolling series, the biggest crowd it had attracted so far. Remarkably, the proposers — headed by a genial but effective Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O'Connor — carried the day. Granted, this one result hardly counts as evidence of a major shift in religious sentiment in our officially Anglican but largely secular and sceptical society, but it is arguably a sign that something may be stirring in our national soul.

For centuries after the Reformation, English Catholics, despite being oppressed by penal taxation, exclusion from public life and the constant threat of mob violence, imprisonment and execution, continued to pray in their Recusant priest-holes for their country's return to the Roman fold. I am just old enough to remember beseeching God with my Christian Brother teachers in the early 1970s for the restoration of "Mary's Dowry" as England was known.

Soon after, though, the phrase fell out of use. This was the new age of ecumenism. When Cardinal Basil Hume referred, in an interview in 1993, to "the conversion of England", he immediately retracted his remarks after they had caused deep offence to Anglicans. The irony was that Hume, of all English Catholic church leaders, had done most to exorcise the ghosts of the Reformation. Yet here in 2010 was Murphy-O'Connor once again arguing for precisely such a conversion, though he still shrank from actually using the word.

The meat of the debate was about restoration, a return to Catholicism, and so raised all the usual technical, constitutional questions, such as the fate of the Act of Succession of 1701 which still, in our egalitarian times, enshrines a particular form of discrimination that Harriet Harman has strangely not yet attacked with her customary vigour, namely the exclusion of Catholics and their spouses from the throne. Perhaps she judges us a legitimate target of enshrined prejudice. But my question as I make my pilgrim's progress through Walsingham is a different one. What if the Reformation had never dug a ditch between the vast majority of the English and the religious practices and traditions of their Catholic past?

The answer would be a catalogue of horrors, according to those who opposed the motion in the Spectator debate. A Catholic England, they said, would ban condoms, abortion and homosexuality. Such a scenario seemed to anticipate a theocracy, run by placemen (and, of course, they would be men) of the Pope, a Catholic version of Taliban rule in Afghanistan. No doubt the Inquisition would be lurking somewhere in the background too.

It is a cruel distortion in both historic and contemporary terms. When Desiderius Erasmus, the 16th-century Dutch humanist and reformer, visited Catholic England pre-Reformation, he declared it among the most enlightened places in Europe. Meanwhile, today, the list of officially Catholic countries in Europe doesn't stretch much beyond the 110 acres of the Vatican City State. Fellow members of this sodality — Malta, Monaco and Liechtenstein — may not have rushed conspicuously to embrace the liberal mores of the contemporary Western European society around them, but neither have these self-confessed Catholic micro-states incorporated the Universal Catechism word-for-word into their codes of law.

A better perspective comes courtesy of countries where Catholicism is not (or no longer) the state religion, but where it retains a significant residual place in the culture — Italy, France, Spain, Ireland. All offer clues as to what we lost by breaking with Catholicism. And yes, some of it was good riddance-hypocrisy, abuse and corruption. But there is another side. A Catholic culture — and I am clearly biased as a Catholic, but hopefully have a wider perspective having lived my entire life in England — tends to be better at addressing openly and emotionally the big questions of life, suffering and death.

One obvious difference arises from the lack of inhibition in culturally Catholic countries around public displays of religious faith, whether they be the wayside shrines that litter Irish and Italian highways, or the kind of procession that I joined one Good Friday a few years ago in southern Spain as it bore a life-size Christ on the cross shoulder-high and with great emotion through the streets of the port city of Tarifa. Last year, on the same anniversary of Jesus's crucifixion (and in a Catholic culture I probably wouldn't feel the need to explain Good Friday), I journeyed to the Holy Island of Lindisfarne to join a small group of pilgrims as they carried five large crosses across the mud slakes that separate the ancient sacred site of Saint Cuthbert's seventh-century monastery from the Northumbria mainland. As we set off, on a chilly April morning, Bank Holiday day-trippers stopped their cars to gawp at us, jaws slack at the impenetrable masochism of what we were doing.

Their undisguised incomprehension is a mark of how out of touch post-Reformation Britain has become with the tradition of remembrance, penance and pilgrimage that thrives elsewhere in Catholic Europe. Before Henry rejected the Pope's authority, such spectacles as the one I joined in with at Lindisfarne were commonplace, and their demands well understood by participants and observers alike as groups trudged along the lanes and byways of Britain from shrine to cathedral, abbey to holy well. That tradition ended in 1537 when such destinations were wiped off the map.

Subsequently, the very practice of pilgrimage was suppressed by Puritans who regarded it as too showy, too self-centred and probably too enjoyable. Today, it is all but lost to ignorance. Now acts of Christian witness lead to their participants being labelled, in Tony Blair's chilling phrase (when explaining why he kept quiet about his own faith when in Downing Street) as "nutters".

Walking with those "nutters" at Lindisfarne, I found a camaraderie and infectious good humour, despite the mud, the cold and the weight of the crosses. It immediately reminded me of being in Tarifa when, though we were carrying a shockingly real representation of the battered corpse of Jesus through the streets, the communal singing of hymns and reciting of the rosary lent the procession an air of carnival.

Catholic cultures do have that communal ability to take the sting out of the trials and tribulations of life. The traditional Irish wake may not change by one iota the finality of death, but it eloquently expresses the human solidarity of family, friends and neighbours in the face of life's great mystery. Compare that with our current cold efficiency, sanitising death in hospices, whisking away the corpse as soon as possible in euphemistically labelled Private Ambulances, and then encouraging the grief-stricken to get on with life as the best way of avoiding the terrible social gaffe of being morbid.

Piety is here taken as both negative and primitive, but in Catholic cultures it has an earthy wisdom to it, as Lady Antonia Fraser, the historian and biographer of several of the key Reformation figures, explained to me: "I put my mind back to what I loved about the Catholic Church as a 14-year-old convert, and in fact it's what I still love about it more than 60 years later: it was the religious use of the seasons, the acknowledgement and celebration of the seasons of the year via the feasts of the Church including the penitential seasons. So I still date my letters with such things as ‘22 November, Feast of St Cecilia', which of course celebrates music, to say nothing of Candlemas, just past, which was originally the feast of the lambs, transformed by the Church. So in a Catholic England we would still have all this holy roistering."

But perhaps conjuring up a picture of a still-Catholic England doesn't only have to be a labour of imagination or the result of a trip to out-of-the-way places such as Walsingham. Last year a reliquary containing the bones of the 19th-century Catholic saint, Thérèse of Lisieux, came to these shores. Public veneration of relics, while still commonplace in Catholic Europe, hasn't been seen on any scale in Britain for 500 years. Yet more than 300,000 people queued up to stand in front of the elaborate wooden box (some of Thérèse's bones are on view in Lisieux, but the reliquary was sealed) and many were visibly moved by the experience.

That visceral dimension to Catholic culture was also on display at the National Gallery in London at the start of the year in The Sacred Made Real, an exhibition of extreme Spanish religious art. It is hard to imagine it even being staged 20 years ago, but numbers attending the show exceeded all expectations. A British taste for the trappings of Catholicism that has lain dormant for five centuries may just be reawakening.

The same point, of course, was made in 1997 following the death of Diana, Princess of Wales, when public grief was unrestrained. In its aftermath, the hard shoulders of British highways now boast plenty of the sort of roadside monuments to those killed in car accidents that have long been a feature of Italian autostradas and Spanish mountain passes. Like Walsingham, they could be seen as prompts to reconsider one of the great "what ifs" of our history.


TOPICS: Catholic; History; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: catholic; england

1 posted on 04/15/2010 6:49:53 PM PDT by grand wazoo
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To: NYer; monkapotamus

Ping rooo


2 posted on 04/15/2010 6:53:16 PM PDT by SevenofNine ("We are Freepers, all your media belong to us ,resistance is futile")
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To: grand wazoo

Henry VIII did not end Catholic power in England. Nor did Martin Luther.

The name (if ther could be said to be a single name here) was GUTENBERG.


3 posted on 04/15/2010 7:02:09 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: MrEdd
Wrong.

Henry's separation and dissolution of the monasteries was much earlier than any official switch to Protestantism. Henry considered himself still Catholic and was Catholic in all but allegiance to the Pope. He didn't intend to Protestantise England, but his desire to marry Nan Bullen and fund his various spending sprees set in motion a number of unintended consequences. He should have paid more attention to the advisers his son was consorting with. That was where the real change began.

4 posted on 04/15/2010 7:10:13 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)T)
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To: AnAmericanMother
Henry VIII supposedly had a deathbed conversion back to Catholicism according to H W Crocker III in his excellent book Triumph: The Power and the Glory of the Catholic Church.

I also enjoyed the reference to Anne Boleyn as the "google-eyed whore".

5 posted on 04/15/2010 7:19:34 PM PDT by grand wazoo
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To: MrEdd

Way wrong. Even the Spanish were out there printing Bibles (in Spanish) and there were other translations in other languages circulating. The question was always the legitimacy and correctness of the translations, as well as the canon: Luther had an entirely different idea of what should be printed and he and other Protestants tossed out the canonical books that they didn’t like.

What ended Catholic power in England was the ruthlessness of one individual in his crazed desire for a physical heir to carry on his course of erratic and arbitrary power, and the weakness of the bishops, who had grown fat and lazy after many centuries of a fairly peaceful existence.


6 posted on 04/15/2010 7:22:09 PM PDT by livius
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To: MrEdd
Johannes Gutenberg lived and died a faithful Roman Catholic.

Because he was a Catholic, his natural first impulse was to print the Bible he knew well and was raised on.

His invention enabled Ximenes Cardinal Cisneros - when Luther and Tyndale were children - to print the first critical polyglot edition of the Bible.

It is a myth that the European civil war known as "The Reformation" was due to some mythical "rediscovery" of the Scriptures which Christian Europe had always known, studied and revered.

The Reformation was a political struggle.

England was a Protestant society (before it became the atheist society it is today) solely because Henry VIII and the new nobility he created wanted to seize the lands and the properties of the clergy.

Henry VIII's opportunistic conversion and the opportunistic conversion of his hand-picked elite not only gratified him sexually with as many wives as he desired, but it made him and his court the 16th century equivalent of billionaires by seizing the real estate and possessions of tens of thousands of his subjects in an act of outright theft.

The most amusing thing about Protestant mythmaking is the notion that an absolute monarch with the power of life and death over his subjects unilaterally naming himself the divinely ordained master of the church in his own realm - thereby combining all political and religious authority in one man's iron fist - was a "liberating" break from "Popish tyranny."

7 posted on 04/15/2010 7:22:45 PM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who like to be called Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: wideawake

bfl


8 posted on 04/15/2010 7:27:46 PM PDT by Oshkalaboomboom
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To: AnAmericanMother
Henry considered himself still Catholic and was Catholic in all but allegiance to the Pope.

In 1537 it was not yet clear if Lutheranism would blow over quickly like Utraquism or if it would persist for centuries like Donatism.

Henry thought he could pick and choose the bits of the new heresy he liked (the divine right of kings, lay investiture, divorce) and keep the bits of the old ways he still liked (polyphony, sacramentals, requiem Masses, etc.) while rejecting anything that was not to his personal taste.

He didn't realize that by making his own personal tastes paramount he had thoroughgoingly adopted the central tenet of Lutheranism.

So while he did not think he was a Protestant, his attitude was entirely Protestant.

9 posted on 04/15/2010 7:31:07 PM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who like to be called Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: MrEdd
The name (if ther could be said to be a single name here) was GUTENBERG.

Actually, the names were Edward, Elizabeth, Cranmer, and William Cecil.

10 posted on 04/15/2010 8:23:49 PM PDT by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed imposter")
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To: wideawake; MrEdd
The most amusing thing about Protestant mythmaking is the notion that an absolute monarch with the power of life and death over his subjects unilaterally naming himself the divinely ordained master of the church in his own realm - thereby combining all political and religious authority in one man's iron fist - was a "liberating" break from "Popish tyranny."

You mean Gutenberg's Bible didn't declare Henry Tudor to be the [sic] "Supreme Head of the Church in England"?

[gasp]

11 posted on 04/15/2010 8:26:05 PM PDT by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed imposter")
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To: MrEdd

The name was hubris or lust or greed. Perhaps all three in Henry’s case.


12 posted on 04/15/2010 8:27:53 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: grand wazoo

Because you know the first thing about god?


13 posted on 04/15/2010 8:43:38 PM PDT by Del Rapier
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To: MrEdd

A lot of people seem to think that Gutenberg and his printed Bibles were somehow Protestant. In fact, Johannes Gutenberg was Catholic, and the Catholic Church welcomed his new printed Bibles.


14 posted on 04/16/2010 12:07:45 AM PDT by iowamark
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To: grand wazoo

We were just in Rome, visited the English College there. They train priests now, but it was a hospice for pilgrims in the Middle Ages. They have an exhibit about the priests and Englishmen who stayed there during the Reformation; priests would go undercover back to England. Most were martyred there; then the college would sing a Te Deum for them. There is a long list of priests sent from this college who were martyred.

They also have a guest book of that time, and are pretty sure that Shakespeare visited several times. His signature/ dates correspond to the ‘silent’ years when not much is known about him, before he started writing plays.

It was so interesting. Be sure to visit if you are planning to be in Rome in the next 6 months.


15 posted on 04/16/2010 12:56:34 AM PDT by bboop (We don't need no stinkin' VAT)
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To: iowamark
A lot of people seem to think that Gutenberg and his printed Bibles were somehow Protestant.

That's what I'd have said, if asked. Now I know better!

16 posted on 04/16/2010 4:57:41 AM PDT by Tax-chick (There's a perfectly good island somewhere.)
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To: livius
What ended Catholic power in England was the ruthlessness of Bloody Mary.
17 posted on 04/16/2010 8:16:01 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (great thing about being a cynic: you can enjoy being proved wrong)
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To: grand wazoo

It’s always amazed me what Shakespeare got away with.


18 posted on 04/16/2010 8:59:02 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: grand wazoo

Thanks so much for the posting. If we ever get an opportunity to visit England, Walsingham and Glastonbury will be on the must see list.


19 posted on 04/16/2010 10:07:45 AM PDT by blackpacific
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To: Oztrich Boy
What ended Catholic power in England was the ruthlessness of Bloody Mary.

A common argument, but a completely unfounded one.

First it should be acknowledged that Queen Mary of England deliberately had her enemies killed. There is no moral justification for her actions.

It is likewise silly for her to be labeled "Bloody", because her immediate predecessor Edward VI and her immediate successor Elizabeth I had far more blood on their hands than Mary did.

To label her "Bloody Mary" while calling her half-sister "Good Queen Bess" is just transparent revisionism.

Historically it can be confirmed that 63 people were executed during Mary's reign for political/religious reasons. A common claim is 284, but that number cannot be documented by reliable sources. The main reason behind the executions was that many of them had plotted - as confirmed Protestants - to prevent her - as a confirmed Catholic - from taking her place on the throne. In her first year as queen she systematically killed about forty leading Protestants whom she personally blamed for putting her life in danger and stealing her throne from her. At least twenty more were killed over the next four years.

By way of comparison, her younger half-brother had approximately 900 Catholic prisoners killed in a single day: August 5, 1549 - an event known as the Massacre of Clyst Heath.

Hundreds more Catholics besides the victims of Clyst were killed under the regime of Edward VI, but no one calls him "Bloody Ned."

Elizabeth I had hundreds of Catholics hunted down by a newly-created secret police unit who were paid cash bonuses for the number of "recusants" they captured. The unfortunate prisoners were usually tried in secret without counsel before they were murdered.

However, Mary only lived for five years after she became queen and Elizabeth lived for 42.

Elizabeth defined history by outliving every last prominent Catholic in England and systematically eradicating traditional English Christianity over a period of two generations.

She created the myth of "Bloody Mary" because it served her purposes quite well.

20 posted on 04/16/2010 6:59:17 PM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who like to be called Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: Tax-chick
don't be too quick to believe all you read on his thread today. From my recall and recollection I question a number of these comments. Take all with a grain of salt!
21 posted on 04/17/2010 6:22:22 AM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-Qaeda" and its allies.)
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To: elpadre

I was referring to the one fact of Gutenburg’s being a Catholic, which is supported, I see, by general sources on his life.


22 posted on 04/17/2010 6:51:33 AM PDT by Tax-chick (There's a perfectly good island somewhere.)
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To: elpadre; Tax-chick
From my recall and recollection I question a number of these comments. Take all with a grain of salt!

Elpadre, why shouldn't your completely vague and uninformed "questioning" be taken with an even bigger grain of salt?

Johannes Gutenberg died in 1468. The so-called "Reformation" famously began in 1517. Gutenberg died 15 years before Luther was born.

Saying that Gutenberg was not a Protestant is about as historically controversial as saying that Rita Hayworth was not a Spice Girl.

23 posted on 04/17/2010 2:41:18 PM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who like to be called Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: wideawake; elpadre

It seemed an odd comment to me, too, but I figured, “Oh well.”


24 posted on 04/17/2010 4:32:07 PM PDT by Tax-chick (There's a perfectly good island somewhere.)
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To: wideawake

I really wsn’t concerned about the Gutenburg but the thread in general - and for that, yes, a bigger grain of salt.

sorry for the confusion


25 posted on 04/17/2010 7:40:08 PM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-Qaeda" and its allies.)
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