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[Genoa]

You assume that the Church Age has to end before the seven years begin. The post-tribs don’t accept that model. They (the futurist post-tribs) hold that the seven years are the conclusion of the Church Age.

[fso301]

Again, your stated literal interpretation of the flood mentioned in Dan 9:26 as being a "LIGHT" (illuminating) event both contradicts scripture and is not in keeping with the spirit of literal interpretation you said was so crucial to understand prophecy. This is fatal to your theory.

Daniel 9:26, 'And after sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off, but not for himself: And the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end shall be with a flood, and until the end of the war desolations are determined.

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The term of the EU budget is 7 years and was due for renewal on Jan. 01/2007. On this date Jovier Solana made a quick trip to the required office and gave his signature 'confirming' the agreements that he had set up prior to this date and therefore fulfilled all of the requirements that are called for in Daniel 9:26,27.

If as you say the flood in Dan 9:26 refers to a brilliant "LIGHT" event, how then do you explain Zech 14:4-8 in which the Mount of Olives will break in two, there will be no light and water will flow from the Mount of Olives to the east and west?

Zech 14:4

"On that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem, and the Mount of Olives will be split in two from east to west, forming a great valley, with half of the mountain moving north and half moving south."

Zech 14:5

"You will flee by my mountain valley, for it will extend to Azel. You will flee as you fled from the earthquake [fn] in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the Lord my God will come, and all the holy ones with him."

Zech 14:6

"On that day there will be no light, no cold or frost."

Zech 14:7

"It will be a unique day, without daytime or nighttime--a day known to the Lord. When evening comes, there will be light."

Zech 14:8

"On that day living water will flow out from Jerusalem, half to the eastern sea [fn] and half to the western sea, [fn] in summer and in winter."

[Genoa]

There are some post-tribs (like the late J. Barton Payne, The Imminent Appearing of Christ, and Encyclopedia of Biblical Prophecy,) who hold that all of Daniel's seventy weeks of years are past, and that it was Christ who put an end to the sacrifice through his own atonement. They don't look for a future seven-year tribulation period. Just sayin'.

[xjcsa]

. . . Occurring at the time of each believer's death, yes? I think your teaching is that we are living in the new heaven and the new earth now, is that right?

Correct.

I've read about this view. It is potent medicine.

Yes, it is. I've only held this view for a couple of years; it has caused me to reevaluate my theology in many areas.

I think I agree with those who suggest it is outside the realm of orthodoxy.

If orthodoxy is defined by creeds (i.e. the "Apostles'" Creed), then yes, it's outside of orthodoxy. If orthodoxy is defined as adherence to Scripture, I would obviously disagree. But I do not consider church creeds binding - only descriptive of the beliefs of those who wrote them.

It also requires a lot of nonliteral handling of the Word. To each his own.

All eschatology requires quite a bit of "nonliteral" reading. I actually believe Preterism requires less of it, in many ways. But I think the real strength of Preterism - which I have begun trying to apply more consistently to all of Scripture - is its approach to hermeneutics. It's an approach of reading Scripture as it would have been read by its immediate audience, rather than reading it as if it was written to us. Scripture was written for us, but it was not written to us. We are a secondary audience.

One thing I always try to note: Preterism is dependent on an early date for the writing of Revelation - probably around 64. The "traditional" dating of Revelation in the 90s is not compatible with Preterism. But I'm pretty thoroughly convinced of the earlier date.

[fso301]

Using God's Word as a ouija board to predict the future is an exercise in futility that only serves to make the gospel look fatuous, inane, and totally irrelevant.

Well said.

[TaraP]

As I said::: A Flood of Light or Knowledge...you don’t think there was a *Flood* of knowledge?

[Lee N. Field]

I think that date has to do with the Prophecy/Prediction by Mark Blitz and JR Church that the 2nd Coming of Jesus will be in 2015 based on the Blood Moon Eclipses and the Jewish Festivals.

Available through the WorldNetDaily store?

Hey, What d' you know?

[Iscool]

There are a few different theories about “the one who restains.” Some say the Holy Spirit, that is, at the pre-trib rapture of the church. (But how do people get saved during the following period?)

Matthew 23, 24, 25, etc...5, 6, 7, etc...James...Hebrews...

By works and faith...Without grace...Without the guidance of the Holy Spirit...

[TaraP]

Yes, then we get into the *Last Generation*

This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled” (Mt 24:34...

IMO we really do not have much to fullfill until the last 7 years.....

[TaraP]

Matthew 24 and 25, Mark 13, and Luke 21, describes major events that will impact the Jewish people just before the Lord returns to set up His Kingdom.

And then shall appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great gloryNow learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. -Matthew 24:30-36

[Genoa]

There’s plenty of predictive prophecy in God’s Word. Look at all of the Old Testament prophecies of the Messiah’s First Coming that were literally fulfilled in history. Call us fatuous, inane, and totally irrelevant if you must, but we have no reason to think that prophecies of the Second Coming are any less applicable to real-time events.

[fso301]

As I said::: A Flood of Light or Knowledge...you don’t think there was a *Flood* of knowledge?

A flood of light would contradict Zech 14:6 "On that day there will be no light, no cold or frost."

Now you introduce a flood of knowledge as the literal meaning of flood. Sorry but you are outside the parameters of literal interpretation. There is nothing wrong with this, just recognize it for what it is, adjust your worldview accordingly and continue to grow in grace and knowledge.

[fso301]

Read my other posts on this thread and you’ll understand where I’m coming from.

[Genoa]

I think that Payne and other non-futurists (meaning non-futurist concerning the fulfillment of most of the seals and trumpets of Revelation) would put these "this generation" prophecies in the fulfilled category, A.D. 70: partial preterism, which still allows a lot of future fulfillment, just not as much as dispensational teaching has (but a lot more than full preterists allow). They still look for the future, imminent appearing of Christ, the rapture of the church, and the millennium with Christ ruling on earth. (I'm not firm about timing, but I'm not dispensational, as you can tell.)

[TaraP]

1 minute = 70 beats
60 minutes(1 hour) = 4200 beats
1 day (24hours) = 100800
365 average days per year (1 year) = 36792000 beats

70 years = 2,575,440,000 beats

Based on your heart beats a minute..70

A Generation..(Maybe)

[TaraP]

I dis-agree with you..respectively....

[Quix]

GOOD POINTS.

THX.

[Genoa]

you’ll understand where I’m coming from

I'm sorry, but where would that be? Unlike RJR_fan, neither your handle nor your rhetoric affords us obvious clues.

[Quix]

i THINK it’s highly plausible that the beginning of the Tribulation 7 years will entail the overt beginning of the reign of the AntiChrist over the overt world government.

That seems to be getting awfully close.

[Uri’el-2012]

See Psalm 90:10

10 As for the days of our life, they contain seventy years,
Or if due to strength, eighty years,

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach