Posted on 04/28/2010 4:55:05 AM PDT by markomalley
The Congregation for Divine Worship and the Sacraments is to issue its formal approval of the new English translation of the complete Roman Missal later today.
The recognitio comes after nearly ten years of study and sometimes difficult consultation over the new translation of prayers for the Mass.
Today’s development will therefore mark a key step, although when the new Missal will be made available in parishes remains unclear.
Cardinal George Pell, chairman of the Vox Clara Committee, the international group of bishops advising the Vatican about the translation, told the Register yesterday that although formal approval will be given today, the new Missal certainly won’t be available before 2011.
Advent next year is considered to be the most likely time, once various technical adjustments and printing are completed.
The International Commission for English in the Liturgy (ICEL) has been working in consultation with English-speaking episcopates worldwide to formulate a new translation in line with the 2001 Vatican document Liturgiam Authenticam, making the texts adhere more closely to their Latin original.
A Vatican statement released today said that the Holy Father is to have lunch this afternoon with members of the Vox Clara Committee in the prestigious Casina Pio IV villa in the Vatican Gardens.
All the texts of the Mass - prayers, responses, Epistles, Gospel - must be according to the norms approved by the Church. Under no circumstances can anything be changed outside of the rules laid down by the Church. This is clearly stated, even in Vatican II!
Is Your Mass Valid? Liturgical Abuse .
I left a parish that used 'innovative' approaches such as the ones you describe. Now I practice my Catholic faith in an Eastern (Maronite Catholic) Church. Look around and ask our Lord to guide you to a holy priest and a reverent liturgy. He will not fail you.
Nobody who can read his native language should have the slightest difficulty with the proposed adjustments.
Certainly, and I live in Panama City, Florida, which is in the Pensacola-Tallahassee Diocese.
Or even better, strictly in Latin...
Keep in mind, that the Kyrie is Greek, not Latin. :-)
Holy Moly....you’re right!!!!!
Mom moment.
I’m so sorry.
I went to a mass in FL once. I would never like to go again.
Now if you’re ever up here in Detroit, come on to my parish. It’s a little touch of heaven.
Altar Boys, kneeling for communion, no added ‘treats’ at all.
We even have a TLM, if you want the fully Latin. English, Latin and Slovak. We cover them all in our eight weekend Holy Masses.
All the texts of the Mass - prayers, responses, Epistles, Gospel - must be according to the norms approved by the Church. Under no circumstances can anything be changed outside of the rules laid down by the Church. This is clearly stated, even in Vatican II!
Yes, this is true. Vatican II also demands that Gregorian chant have pride of place (I have never heard this in a Catholic Church in my life) and that Latin be used (I have never heard that either). Vatican II is, I am afraid, irrelevant to the modern Church, at least where I live.
I left a parish that used 'innovative' approaches such as the ones you describe. Now I practice my Catholic faith in an Eastern (Maronite Catholic) Church. Look around and ask our Lord to guide you to a holy priest and a reverent liturgy. He will not fail you.
Sadly I don't think that is really possible, at least for the time being. There are no Eastern Churches that I am aware of in the panhandle area of Florida. Neither are there any traditional style parishes, which one may assume would be free of such abuse. However, these churches do have priests, and since I have never known a priest who said what he was supposed to or taught what the Church taught I can see little reason to assume that such places would be any different.
Sadly, we are in something of a desert. It could be worse I suppose. At least I have never seen puppets or clowns in Mass, though I have seen awful abuses which horrified me. The creativity and indifference of priests and others though are ubiquitous and I have little expectation of any change. As I have said, in fifteen years of going to the churches within driving distance of my house I have never once been to a Mass that was free from some form of abuse. Not once. Unfortunately, the constancy of things got so bad for me that I had to stop attending Mass altogether. It had become a real occasion of sin for me. I had to spend a long time coming to a certain level of comfort that things are as they are and there is nothing I can do about it before I could go again. And even then I now have to sit with my head down without opening my eyes or looking up for the entire mass, but I am there at least. And I won't even mention the "education" being forced on my children preparing for first Communion.
But, if you can believe it ;-), I brought this up not really to complain, but rather to show how unimportant this new translation is to people living in situations like me. The priests and others responsible are not changing, and they care nothing about the words in the missal now. Changing them will only help people in areas where people care about such things in the first place, assuming such places exist. It looks awesome on paper, but I know I will never see it, just as I have never seen any of the things that Vatican II called for so many years ago. The Church doesn't care about that, and that is that. I wish I couldn't say that, but it is what it is, and there is no getting around it.
I went to a mass in FL once. I would never like to go again.
I know what you mean. Isn't it sad that one could say that about Mass? And we live with that every day. Frustrating.
Lord, it takes forever. For those people who think that all the Holy Father has to do is to snap his fingers! Only depots like Obama seem to be able to do that.
I’ll be praying for you.
Trust me, we camp all over MI. There are places that we go to where I have to remind my kids that Jesus is still there no matter what kind of innovation the congregation puts in.
I am always telling them that it’s not the congregation’s fault that they weren’t instructed properly. We should just pray for good Priests and Bishops.
Although, I have to say that I nearly lost it at one mass. The children were gathered at the front to go to the “Children’s Liturgy of the Word”. I used to let my kids go because we have NOTHING like that at our home parish. This particular mass, the congregation extended a hand and “blessed the children” as they walked out. A very odd look to all of it. Put me in the mind of a Nazi salute.
Even in the desert , there are waterholes. Look for signs, such as following the way that birds travel.
Interesting website and Mass schedule.
I see the Tridentine Mass and the Latin Mass are separate, if I am reading the calendar correctly. So the Tridentine Mass is in English? Or do I have an information processing disorder today? I guess another possibility is that the Vatican II Mass is celebrated in Latin?
Like I say, the website is leagues above most other church websites in interest level and certainly is very pleasant on the eyes.
Listen to the words long written down... When the Man Comes Around.
We have several retirees who winter in Florida. Here is a list of the Maronite Churches in Florida
I trust nothing the ICEL touches.
I would love to have the Kyrie Eleison and Afnus Dei, both sung in the original Greek.......I hate all the English translation/additions. I won’t sing them. Or else I just sing, “Jesus, Lamb of God,” when the choir is singing their other stuff.
In other words, I’ll stick with the Latin and Greek of Bible translations.
Has that ever been posted in its own thread? I don’t have it with my liturgical abuse threads........Hmmmm.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2502075/posts?page=27#27
I know both of you know more about the Gregorian chant than I do. Can you please respond to this poster.
Many thanks for your prayers. They are very much appreciated. It is very hard at times, but generally I can muddle through as long as I stay very, very focussed. I think it makes me look very unfriendly, and that is not intentional at all as I don’t dislike any of the people in our Church. I don’t feel any shared faith with them really, but I don’t actually dislike them.
Funny you mention the Nazi salute. I have posted in various fora about that very thing. In our parish, sorry, “catholic community”, the priest has people do that every couple of weeks for some reason or another. Of course I don’t take part, but as I look around I am stunned that a Polish man like himself would be comfortable with all these people doing this. Whenever it happens I can’t help but look aver at my wife and mouth “Sieg Heil.” She doesn’t think I’m funny I’m afraid.
Keep in mind this is the new ICEL. The old ICEL were sacked after one too many “inclusive” translations had been submitted and round about when Liturgiam Authenticam, the new translation instruction requiring greater fidelity to the original Latin, was issued in 2001.
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