Benedict XVI’s presser on plane to Portugal, clerical crisis and “third secret” (Catholic Caucus)

WDTPRS ^ | 05/11/2010 | Father Z.

[Pyro7480]

Godspeed. :-)

[pgkdan]

In which case, the statement that “The important point is that the message of Fatima in its substance is not addressed to particular situations” could be interpreted as a repudiation of that interpretation by Pope Benedict XVI.

That's exactly how I read it. especially since he preceded it by stating:

With regard to this great vision of the suffering of the popes, beyond [!] the circumstances of John Paul II, other realities are indicated which over time will develop and become clear.

It certainly sounds to me that the Holy Father is saying that the interpretation we received earlier was false and the Third Secret has not yet been revealed.

[NYer]

Ping!

[ArrogantBustard]

Also the attacks from within the church comment.

I wonder if that was some sort of veiled jab at Schönborn.

What, the guy (did I spell that right?) defending "homosexual relationships"?

A reasonable person could certainly interpret it as a jab ...

[Leoni]

That's because you know nothing about it. Fr. X said in the 1970’s that scarcely 1% of Catholics know about Fatima.

The experts on the 3rd secret have concluded that the 3rd secret spoke of the apostacy of the Bishops at and after Vatican II. The total loss of the faith by Catholics. Maybe

The 3 children visionaries said that there would be a miracle on a day and hour. That day and hour 70,000 saw the miracle. Ever heard of a miracle being forecast day and hour?

The Blessed Mother told the children months before the bolshevic revolution , that Russia would spread her errors throughout the world and many nations would be annihilated. Sound important?

Since the death of Pius XII, the hierarchy in the Vatican have not been reliable sources for information on the messages of Fatima. John XXIII did not reveal the 3rd secret in 1960 as was requested of him by the Blessed Mother, and every since then it's more of the same from the Vatican hierarchy.

For anyone that wants to know about Fatima, should read the 3 volume set by Frere Michel De La Sainte Trinite:

The Whole Truth About Fatima: Volume I Science and the Facts

The Whole Truth about Fatima, Volume II: The Secret and the Church

The Whole Truth about Fatima: Volume III: The Third Secret

[Leoni]

That's because you know nothing about it. Fr. X said in the 1970’s that scarcely 1% of Catholics know about Fatima.

The experts on the 3rd secret have concluded that the 3rd secret spoke of the apostasy of the Bishops at and after Vatican II. The total loss of the faith by Catholics.

The 3 children visionaries said that there would be a miracle on a day and hour. That day and hour 70,000 saw the miracle. Ever heard of a miracle being forecast day and hour?

The Blessed Mother told the children months before the Bolshevik revolution , that Russia would spread her errors throughout the world and many nations would be annihilated. Sound important?

Since the death of Pius XII, the hierarchy in the Vatican have not been reliable sources for information on the messages of Fatima. John XXIII did not reveal the 3rd secret in 1960 as was requested of him by the Blessed Mother, and every since then it's more of the same from the Vatican hierarchy.

For anyone that wants to know about Fatima, should read the 3 volume set by Frere Michel De La Sainte Trinite:

The Whole Truth About Fatima: Volume I Science and the Facts

The Whole Truth about Fatima, Volume II: The Secret and the Church

The Whole Truth about Fatima: Volume III: The Third Secret

[netmilsmom]

>>But I’ve read several times that the interpretation of the vision as applying to the assassination attempt on JPII was contrived and advanced unilaterally by the Secretary of State at the time, not Cardinal Ratzinger. <<

I think it would be very easy to say that JPII was “mistaken” in his interpretation of the Third Secret.

[Leoni]

Typical post Vatican II speak, where words are used to confuse rather than communicate. Seems like God has chosen these Vatican II popes who are reluctant to teach clearly for fear of being rejected so that the world will not be further condemned for rejecting clear teachings:

"To you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but to them that are without, all things are done in parables: 12 That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand: lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them"

Everyone is "without".

[nickcarraway]

I’ve always thought the explanation they gave for the third secret made it pretty pointless.

[GonzoII]

"The wolves are both inside and outside the Church."

"I wonder if that was some sort of veiled jab at Schönborn."

"The work of the devil will infiltrate even into the Church in such a way that one will see cardinals opposing cardinals, bishops against other bishops. The priests who venerate me will be scorned and opposed by their confreres (other priests). Churches and altars will be sacked. The Church will be full of those who accept compromises and the demon will press many priests and consecrated souls to leave the service of the Lord."

Source:

http://www.theworkofgod.org/Aparitns/Akita.htm#Messages

[mockingbyrd]

Actually, I know quite a bit about Fatima. But it is private revelation and it hasn’t played a significant role in my spiritual life. And that’s fine, the church has always taught that you should study and pursue private, approved revelations only if they benefit your soul. And the message of Fatima doesn’t speak to everyone.

And I don’t believe that the hierarchy of the Church are working to suppress the wishes of Our Lady. I just don’t, I have more faith in the promises of Christ than that.

[mlizzy]

June, 1988—Vatican City—Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, Prefect, Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, gives definitive judgement on the Akita events and messages as reliable and worthy of belief. --Link

[Pyro7480]

You read my mind about Akita. It was then-Cardinal Ratzinger who once confirmed that the messages of Fatima and Akita were essentially the same.

[Pyro7480]

Typical post Vatican II speak, where words are used to confuse rather than communicate

Who/what are you talking about here?

[GonzoII]

"You read my mind about Akita."

I categorically deny that I read his mind ;0)

[Pyro7480]

LOL!

[Bigg Red]

The greatest persecution of the church doesn’t come from enemies on the outside, but is born in sin within the church.

&&
So true.

Yes, we do all need to relearn. B16 is so inspiring.

[RobbyS]

At the bottom of iconoclasm then and now is a repudiation of the Incarnation. Originally it was a response of criticisms by the Muslims. Today it is the response of liberal Christians to the philosophic materialism of liberal skeptics. In each case, it concedes that Christ is not king, that he has left us alone.

[Brian Kopp DPM]

—EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW—

Bishop Bernard Fellay on the

Rosary Crusade and Doctrinal Talks 

Nearly 20,000,000 Rosaries offered to Holy Father

from Traditional Catholics Worldwide!

 

By Brian Mershon

REMNANT COLUMNIST, South Carolina

(Posted 05/11/10 www.RemnantNewspaper.com)

Bishop Bernard Fellay, SSPX, greets the Holy Father

Houston, Texas—Superior General Bishop Bernard Fellay of the Society of St. Pius X recently spoke to The Remnant in an exclusive interview following the completion of their third Rosary crusade for the Holy Father on March 25, 2010. Despite Cardinal Kasper’s most recent obvious attempt to “poison the well” and upend the ongoing discussions with the Society’s theologians and representatives of the Holy See (talks in which, it should be noted, he has no role whatsoever), the Holy Father will visit Fatima this week and deliver an intense message.

Our Blessed Mother cannot be circumvented when it comes to answering prayers as she so wills as the mediatrix of all graces. Let us pray, then, that the Holy Father’s message at Fatima this week will be an answer to the most recent rosary crusade for the intention of the consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Hear of Mary and for the Triumph of her Immaculate Heart. Five and half million rosaries from the U.S. and a total of 19,142,065 rosaries by Traditionalist Catholics worldwide have been offered for this intention.  We thank His Excellency most sincerely for taking time away from his busy schedule to answer a few questions.  

Brian Mershon: Your Excellency, what is your reaction to the Society’s request for 12 million rosaries with a result of more than 19 million actually being offered?

Bishop Fellay: First of all, I am very, very happy to see such enthusiasm and such an answer to our call. I’m certain that this number isn’t only from the Society’s faithful; I’m sure that many many others have joined for whom we don’t have the total figures. That’s the first thing.

Secondly, I’m pleased with the enthusiasm for understanding the importance of this matter. This subject matter is very, very important.

Brian Mershon: The two other rosary crusades resulted in rather quick and historic responses—the freeing of the Traditional Latin Mass to all priests everywhere in the world, and the dissolving of the excommunications of the Society bishops, which in turn led to the commencement of doctrinal talks with the Holy See. Do you anticipate a similarly dramatic response to this third rosary crusade?

Bishop Fellay: I leave it to be totally in the hands of God and the Blessed Virgin Mary. But, probably not. One never knows, but I would be very surprised if the Pope consecrated Russia. It would be a great, great surprise. But, on the other hand, we have already been surprised before, so I would not be amazed if it were to happen so quickly. This time what we’re asking for is so important and so big and it is so directly involved in all the events of the history of our times.

Brian Mershon: Ever since Pope Benedict was elected and the new Russian Orthodox Patriarch was chosen, there has been an obvious thaw in relations, and for the better, I believe. The Russian Orthodox Patriarch even published a book of the Pope’s writings to be disseminated to his lay faithful! How do you read this? Is this related to the Third Secret of Fatima as well?

Bishop Fellay: I personally believe there is something on the move in Russia. There definitely does seem to be something moving in Russia. There is something in the air.  How far and how deep? I do not know. But, there are many things that show there is a revival of religion in Russia.

Brian Mershon: Has the Society already sent the bouquet of rosaries? 

Bishop Fellay: It is going to happen [soon].

Brian Mershon: What is the Society’s attitude on the worldwide media attacks on the Holy Father and the Church?

Bishop Fellay: I think we have there a good demonstration that the Church really does still have enemies. And these enemies have real names. You can see that through this ongoing campaign. It is very revealing. On the one hand, we have the old-guard U.S. enemies and, on the other hand, we have the leftists from Europe both working together.

Brian Mershon: Do you think these attacks are related to the chastisements foretold by Sister Lucia in the Third Secret?

Bishop Fellay: It’s too difficult to say. But if there is one quote from Fatima that I would quote that applies—it is this: “The Pope will suffer a lot. The Pope will suffer a lot.” And you have it there.

Brian Mershon: The ongoing doctrinal talks with the Holy See are occurring outside the media spotlight for obvious reasons. What do you expect to happen as a result of these? What has to happen in the doctrinal talks for the Society to agree to a canonical structure? Are the talks even related to a possible canonical solution?

Bishop Fellay: It’s impossible to say. Absolutely impossible. It depends upon too many factors right now. I don’t have the answer.

Brian Mershon: Some critics say that the Society’s rejection of a canonical or practical solution is a sign of obstinacy or ill will. How do you answer that?

Bishop Fellay: It is very simple. The Holy See has agreed that the doctrinal talks should happen, so that should answer the questions without putting the burden on me. Besides that, it is very clear that whatever practical solution that would happen without a sound doctrinal foundation would lead directly to disaster. We don’t want that. We want and need the security of a sound solution on the level of doctrine to go ahead. So to pretend there is something definitive prior to engaging in the doctrinal talks…

We have all these previous examples in front of us—the Fraternity of St. Peter, the Institute of Christ the King and all of the others are totally blocked on the level of doctrine because they first accepted the practical agreement.

Brian Mershon: Do you believe the Pope personally sincerely desires a canonical solution with the Society of St. Pius X?

Bishop Fellay: Yes, I think so. Yes, I do. I think the Pope desires this. He wants the Church to be better and he wants to complete the quest of the consecration of bishops with the Society.

Brian Mershon: You have mentioned in previous interviews that the Society has positive acquaintances or even friends as bishops, cardinals—and even in the Roman curia. What advice do they give you as these doctrinal talks are ongoing?

Bishop Fellay: Nothing at all. They are very discreet right now. I think the discussions we’re having are very good and are happening at a very discreet level. The next talks are taking place in May.

Brian Mershon: Are you aware of any group of priests, lay faithful or dioceses in the recent history of the Church who have offered such large bouquets of rosaries to the Holy Father as the Society has now done thrice?

Bishop Fellay: Not to my knowledge. It might have happened, but I don’t have any reference. But it is obvious that such a crusade is something unique. I believe that Fr. Gruner is now going to do the same thing.

Brian Mershon: What is your advice to Catholics who desire to open a chapel in their area? Is the Society putting on the breaks where expanding chapel locations is concerned, due to the doctrinal talks?

Bishop Fellay: First, the lay faithful should contact us and then we try to do something for them. Right now, we have so many requests that we can hardly fulfill them. This year, we have a good year for ordinations, but even so we are too short of priests [to fulfill all the requests]. We can hardly answer all the requests.  But we continue our normal life as before. It would be totally counterproductive to think we would have to stop any increase in our life because of talks with Rome. It should be quite the contrary.

Brian Mershon: Your Excellency, Do you have any final thoughts?

Bishop Fellay: Prayers to the Blessed Virgin Mary have to continue. Some might think that since we achieved our rosary crusade, now everything is fine. No. No. No.  It is now very clear that we are engaged in a battle with the real enemies of the Church. So Catholics, be ready! Gain the victory with the rosary!

[fatima]

Thanks for the ping Pyro7480:)