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Benedict XVI’s presser on plane to Portugal, clerical crisis and “third secret” (Catholic Caucus)
WDTPRS ^ | 05/11/2010 | Father Z.

Posted on 05/11/2010 8:01:55 AM PDT by Pyro7480

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Fascinating...
1 posted on 05/11/2010 8:01:56 AM PDT by Pyro7480
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To: Siobhan; Canticle_of_Deborah; NYer; Salvation; american colleen; Desdemona; StAthanasiustheGreat; ..

Catholic ping!


2 posted on 05/11/2010 8:03:10 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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attacks against the pope or the church don’t come just from outside the church.

Yes, such as Vatican II. "It will be clearer after 1960".

3 posted on 05/11/2010 8:08:26 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: Pyro7480

Sure sounds like we didn’t get the whole secret.


4 posted on 05/11/2010 8:09:43 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: bigcat32; Pyro7480; Religion Moderator

This is a caucus, go discuss why churches shouldn’t have crosses on top of them somewhere else.


6 posted on 05/11/2010 8:14:54 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: bigcat32; Religion Moderator

This is a Caucus thread. Please play by the rules. If you don’t know what they are, look at the Religion Moderator’s profile.


7 posted on 05/11/2010 8:15:23 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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Absolutely fascinating!

**but a fundamental response: permanent conversion, penance, prayer, and the three cardinal virtues: faith, hope and charity. One sees there the true, fundamental response the church must give, which each of us individually must give, in this situation.**

Also the attacks from within the church comment.


8 posted on 05/11/2010 8:15:30 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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Also the attacks from within the church comment.

I wonder if that was some sort of veiled jab at Schönborn.

9 posted on 05/11/2010 8:19:23 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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The wolves are both inside and outside the Church.


11 posted on 05/11/2010 8:23:33 AM PDT by Lorica
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To: bigcat32
Please read the writings of St. John Damascene on why the veneration of sacred images is not idolatry: APOLOGIA OF ST JOHN DAMASCENE AGAINST THOSE WHO DECRY HOLY IMAGES
12 posted on 05/11/2010 8:24:39 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: Lorica

I pray that Benedict XVI is exactly the right man at the right time.


13 posted on 05/11/2010 8:31:58 AM PDT by Judith Anne
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I mean this totally sincerely and respectfully, why does this matter? I don’t understand the whole hoopla about the third secret. Maybe it was totally revealed, maybe it wasn’t. Does it really matter?

I’ve never understood the fervor that Fatima inspires. I’m much more Tepeyac Hill gal myself.


14 posted on 05/11/2010 8:35:57 AM PDT by mockingbyrd (Remember in November.)
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That was too funny! LOL


15 posted on 05/11/2010 8:40:01 AM PDT by Irisshlass
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To: Pyro7480
Cardinal Ratzinger wrote the theological commentary at the time of the release of the "Third Secret" in 2000. But I’ve read several times that the interpretation of the vision as applying to the assassination attempt on JPII was contrived and advanced unilaterally by the Secretary of State at the time, not Cardinal Ratzinger.

In which case, the statement that “The important point is that the message of Fatima in its substance is not addressed to particular situations” could be interpreted as a repudiation of that interpretation by Pope Benedict XVI.

16 posted on 05/11/2010 8:49:27 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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I don’t understand the whole hoopla about the third secret. Maybe it was totally revealed, maybe it wasn’t. Does it really matter? I’ve never understood the fervor that Fatima inspires.

I would guess the fact that it concerns these days would be part of it, that and the Miracle of the Sun.

I’m much more Tepeyac Hill gal myself.

That's perfectly legitimate. I myself hope to venerate the Tilma.

17 posted on 05/11/2010 8:51:57 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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I would guess the fact that it concerns these days would be part of it, that and the Miracle of the Sun.

How so? Is that just the assumption, or is it known somehow? And how does the Miracle of the Sun fit in?

18 posted on 05/11/2010 8:55:06 AM PDT by mockingbyrd (Remember in November.)
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Well, in one of the visions at Fatima, Our Lady predicted that during the pontificate of Pius XI, that a second world war would begin, and that a sign in the sky would signal this (I'm paraphrasing). In January 1938, a very unusual aurora appeared in the sky, weeks before Hitler annexed Austria.

As for the Miracle of the Sun, the fact that 70,000 witnessed it, religious and atheist alike, underscored the veracity of the message. According to one devotee, she [Our Lady] did this to underscore the fact that Fatima is one of the most important if not the most important message she has ever given in history."

19 posted on 05/11/2010 9:11:57 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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Oh....you were talking about why the strong devotion to Fatima. I thought you were talking about the third secret. I’m off to get some coffee....provided the children don’t kill themselves first, sounds like I should investigate.


20 posted on 05/11/2010 9:32:20 AM PDT by mockingbyrd (Remember in November.)
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