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Mystery of the Trinity
http://www.crossroadsinitiative.com/library_article/937/Mystery_of_the_Trinity.html ^ | June 11, 2006 | by: Dr. Marcellino D'Ambrosio

Posted on 05/30/2010 2:09:35 PM PDT by Salvation

Mystery of the Trinity

by: Dr. Marcellino D'Ambrosio

 

 

Mystery of the TrinityThe Trinity has always been a difficult doctrine to swallow.  First of all, there is this statement from Sunday’s first reading: “The Lord is God in the heavens above and on the earth below, and there is no other.”  This was tough for anyone to accept in the days of the Old Testament when people generally honored sky gods, sun gods, water gods, and specialized gods for about every aspect of human life and every region of human habitation.  C’mon, there’s only one God?

We might smirk at the ancients, but we have a very similar problem today.  It flows from a philosophy called relativism, but winds up with much the same result.  You might believe in Jesus, I believe in Buddha, and our neighbor reveres Allah.  Your God is true for you, his is for him, mine for me.

 Yet the Bible insists, and the Catholic Church along with it, that there is only one God.  And that God is not an “it”, some impersonal “force”, but a “Him,” more truly personal than any of us.   In fact He is so personal, that from all eternity He is interpersonal–three persons in perfect union of will and activity, so perfect that they are truly One God, not three. Everything in our experience is finite, meaning that it has limits, including the degree of unity that we can have in our relationships.  God’s inner unity, the unity of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, is unlimited and perfect, love pouring itself, one person into another, ceaselessly, at every moment, for ever and ever amen.

 Holy Trinity - Father, Son and Holy SpiritThe author of the Da Vinci Code is not the first to allege that the Church made up this whole Trinity thing.  Various sects in the first few centuries plus the Muslims made this accusation.  Then the Jehovah’s Witnesses rehashed it in the 19th century, blaming the Roman Emperor Constantine.

 Bur really, everything but the term “Trinity” is right there in the Scriptures.  In Sunday's reading from Romans 8, Paul speaks of the Father, Christ Jesus, and the Holy Spirit all in the same few verses, distinct and yet one.  In John’s Gospel, Jesus dialogues with his Father in prayer, showing their distinction, yet boldly proclaims “The Father and I are One.”  Jesus, in this Sunday’s Gospel, sends forth the disciples to baptize people in the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.”  Note he does not say in the “names” but in the “name”, showing the unity of these persons.  And baptizing in this triune name demonstrates their equality as well, for what sense would it make to baptize in the name of three, one of whom is God and the other two of whom are not?

 But this feast of the Most Holy Trinity does not just celebrate the nature, grandeur, and beauty of God.  It also recalls that we have been baptized or plunged into this energizing reality of divine love.  God has drawn us in to share in the dynamism of his own inner life.  He has not called us servants, but friends.  It is not just the Holy Spirit who indwells our souls, but the entire Trinity who has made each of us a dwelling place.  The three divine persons are loving each of us in us and want to love others through us.

 Jesus Christ - Holy Trinity, Father, Son and Holy SpiritSome charge that we call this doctrine a mystery because we want to cover up how illogical and preposterous it is.  No, it is a mystery because it exceeds our powers of imagination and comprehension.  But shouldn’t we expect the inner nature of God to be greater than our finite minds?  Any reality that our minds can master is by definition inferior to our minds.  The Supreme Being by definition has to be greater than our minds.

 Fabrication?  Impossible.  Human minds cook up things that other human beings are likely to buy.  Three gods?  People could handle that.  How about a hierarchy of one supreme God with two assistant demi-gods?  That would work.  Three equal but distinct persons in one divine being strains the brain too much to have been concocted by a bunch of theologians or politicians.



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To: spunkets
You were shown above that Jesus said He was God

Absolutely not!

Jhn 6:46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.

Christ is the one "of" God. He has "seen" the Father.

Jhn 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

God the Father sent Jesus. At least that is what Jesus said. He knows the he is not the Father, but is the son.

1Jo 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/post[to be] the Saviour of the world.

Speaking of Jesus: Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

An "image" is a representation of the real thing or person. Sometimes an image is what one wants people to think about them, as an actor holding a certain image with his fans.

Clearly Jesus is the son of God. God send Jesus. God is the Father. Jesus is God's son. God sent Jesus. God is invisible. Jesus was so united with God in purpose that he could represent God perfectly. Jesus was God's representative, God's image on Earth to the point that Jesus could tell others that if you knew Jesus then you knew God.

Pretty simple really.

Oh yeah...how about this?

Jhn 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater [works] than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

Jesus says that believers will do not just equal, but greater works than him.

So if Jesus is God the Jesus said that his beleivers would do greater works than God, right?

101 posted on 06/08/2010 5:07:24 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (A blind clock finds a nut at least twice a day.)
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To: xone

Not only are you sorry but you’re sinning by judging.

Yes, you are a sorry individual.


102 posted on 06/08/2010 5:31:26 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (A blind clock finds a nut at least twice a day.)
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To: Eagle Eye
Not only are you sorry but you’re sinning by judging.

Judging your words applying the Word of God isn't me judging.

Yes, you are a sorry individual.

LOL, coming from someone like you, I take that as a compliment.

103 posted on 06/08/2010 6:17:08 PM PDT by xone
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To: spunkets

And you know this how????????


104 posted on 06/09/2010 6:28:24 PM PDT by morkfork (Candygram for Mongo)
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To: morkfork
"And you know this how????????"

What is "this" specifically?

105 posted on 06/09/2010 7:24:57 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: xone
"I'll assume you refer to some of the questions God asked Job, and not the unknown counsel of God. For man has a hard enough time examining himself than to believe he can comprehend all the workings and thought of the Almighty."

There is no "unknown counsel of God. Job 38:2, "Who is this that darkens my counsel with words without knowledge?" This refers to one w/o knowledge and understanding. The questions that follow are questions that can be answered.

All questions from Job 38...

God: "Where were you when I laid the earth's foundation? Tell me, if you understand.
spunkets: On your mind.

God: Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know!
spunkets: You did.

God: " Who stretched a measuring line across it?
spunkets: You did, followed by men.

God: " On what were its footings set,
spunkets: On the energy and physics of your world.

God: "or who laid its cornerstone-"

spunkets: You did.

"How, no clue nor does any man since none were there at the time either. All we have is God's account through Moses."

No. Genesis is parable. Men can look at reality and use their reason to know what happened physically w/o the necessity of actually being present. To science, this universe appears as a phase transition in the dimensions, from another phase and this is referred to as the big bang.

Since there was one person that showed up and claimed to be the person that triggered what is known as the big bang, reason can be used to determine the logical consistancy of that story and to make a logical comparison of that story with the knowledge and understanding aquired through science.

The Epicurus principle states that, if there is more than one theory consistent with the evidence, keep both(or all). The nature of phase transitions(PT) is such that the specific cause of a particular PT event will never be known.

"Reason has its limits and its place is suppressed when faced by questions only God knows the answer to."

A lack of evidence is not a limitation of reason.

More from Job 38. God: "What is the way to the abode of light?
spunkets: In the mind of one who loves your values.

God: And where does darkness reside?
spunkets: In the mind of those that have rejected your values, or in no mind at all.

God: Can you take them to their places?
spunkets: Yes, and I will continue to teach.

Do you know the paths to their dwellings?
spunkets: I have learned some.

"God halted the setting of the sun for the Israelites to do battle. Josh 10:13.

No, He did not. The law of conservation of angular momentum prohibits it.

Re: Job 42:5 "My ears had heard of you but now my eyes have seen you."

Job is a story, a long parable. This face to face meeting is hypothetical.

106 posted on 06/10/2010 12:57:02 AM PDT by spunkets
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To: spunkets

I won’t argue the point of knowing the mind of God. You can know as much about Him as He has revealed, and no further.


107 posted on 06/10/2010 7:44:16 AM PDT by xone
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To: xone
"I won’t argue the point of knowing the mind of God. You can know as much about Him as He has revealed, and no further."

"Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?"

108 posted on 06/10/2010 9:41:29 AM PDT by spunkets
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To: spunkets

My God hasn’t forsaken me. Of course I didn’t die for the sin of the world either. This question occured during my God’s redemption of me.


109 posted on 06/10/2010 9:47:00 AM PDT by xone
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