Posted on 05/30/2010 10:48:27 PM PDT by pastorbillrandles
All is Not One… Posted on May 31, 2010 by billrandles
In Genesis One, God does the work of creating and seperating. He seperates Light from darkness,day from night, earth from water, beast from fish, male from female , etc. Creation itself is seperate from God, the creator, they are not one and the same. He is a God of the particulars, therefore he seperates and makes distinctions. Knowing reality is about recognising distinctions as well.
We have experienced an upheaval, a real revolution of thought and philosophy in the west over the last hundred years. Much of it is a consequence of the rejection of the religion that has long animated our culture, Christianity. We have become paganised, especially in the last 40 years, when the sixties generation jettisoned their Christian heritage and immersed themselves in various forms of eastern religion.
Paganism rejects the distinctions that the God of creation has ordained; that is why currently, the differences between male and female are being erased,(GLBT gender confusion) as well as the distinction between man and animal(animal rights), right and wrong, good and evil, etc.. Any and all distinctions are seen to be mere social constructs, and not as assigned by any Creator.
Paganism is a rebellion against the Creator God who makes distinctions.Even the primal difference, the distinction between creature and Creator, has been erased , so that as Paul charged, “They worship the creature rather than the Creator…”(Romans 1).
This deception will leave multitudes of the Baby boomer generation unready for the coming day of God’s greatest act of discrimination- the Great White Throne Judgment.
And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
2And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
3And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire” (Revelation 20:11-15)
It is time to return to the God who created you, and to recieve the provision He made for sinners, “Whoever will call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved”
You’ll like this - the world was spoken into being, look at this experiment with sound:
Harmonics - Salt on a vibrating table
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOMiowrff0Y
Pagan monism deceives by denying the most foundational biblical truths. The very first words of the bible “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth” set out the antithesis of paganism. In monism all is one and one is all, thus denying the creator/creator distinction. Everyone and everything is god therefore no laws and no morals are absolute. Paganism is alive and thriving in our world dressed up in new clothes but it is the same old false religion from ancient times.
This is incorrect in so many ways it's hard to count them all. India has thousands of years of very detailed spiritual philosophy of the highest moral calibre in which monism, due to it's eternal nature, also embraces duality within itself in an ongoing process called spanda. Kashmir Shaivism and the Vedas acknowledge that unified multiplicity expressly, and from it derive the strictest moral standards.
In addition, it can also be simply asked, that since before creation there was only the eternal, infinite God, what did God make the creation out of if not Himself, since there wasn't anything else?
Yes, God divided all things in the creation of duality. But the Indian teachings are that the duality we call creation, exists inside and as a part of the endless infinity of God, because there isn't anything else, and can never be anything else, but the infinite Lord.
The majesty of such an absolute spiritual power is sublime - not immoral.
With respect, Pastor, without excusing particular members of "the sixties generation," the loss of a common understanding of any concept of "truth," in the United States predates the sixties by quite a spell. I could more easily date it with the general acceptance of the Prussian model of secondary education and John Dewey's totally alien flavor of Experimentalism still known as Progressive Education, around 1908. From a cultural standpoint the slide was well underway in Europe by 1890 and by 1920 in the U.S.
Not everyone born on the crest of the post-war baby-boom that peaked 1956-1958 was or is a crap-weasel.
Take a look at stats on functional literacy among High School grads in 1940 and compare them with similar stats for 1950. A whole group of people don't rise up in a vacuum and decide to behave like degenerates. They have to have been raised up that way.
Generational distinctions are, by and large, popular conventions that don't serve any discussion about individuals (none of whom ever asked to be born in the first place) wrestling with God in the middle of post industrial yellow spoor storm.
As Tonto replied to the Lone Ranger's request for aid when both were surrounded by thousands of hostiles, "what you mean 'we,' pale face."
Amen- I believe the end of this is some kind of societal insanity! Ala nebuchadnessar in Daniel 4!
Talisker, all is not one, all is two- God and his creation.We are not God, or part of God, we were created by God, and are accountable to Him.The creator needed no “building material” to create, “All things came into being by His Word”.
Self-ping to print later.
I seek no argument. However it is inflammatory to start throwing around accusations of immorality for disagreeing with you. You insist on your perspective about this issue, and I have no mind to try to change it. But it doesn't mean I don't have a perspective that sits well with me, and I don't need to call you immoral for not sharing my perspective.
Specifically however, as for God "needing no building material" - then what is everything made out of? The question is like dividing by zero. That's why to me, the idea of everything being God makes perfect sense - I haven't the slightest problem or doubt about this - for the simple fact that God is infinite and omnipotent. And infinity and omnipotence means there is no other - no other existence, no other power - than God.
If you want to simply say that these things are beyond out comprehension, that God's Word created something outside of infinite God, and similiar things, then why use rational thought at all? You spend all sorts of effort trying to explain scripture or God in a way that makes sense to people, and then, when you feel like it, throw it all to the wind and declare "because you say so."
Frankly, if your argument served to praise God in a way I could understand, I might be swayed. But to declare something ouside of God, to me, is a diminishment of the concept of God's infinitude, and I can't accept that. For me, God's infinitude means All.
are you part of God?
Slightly off-topic but this question made me think of a question!
Christian doctrine teaches the Trinity and the Hypostatic union.
So, would you say that since the hypostatic union is 100% God and 100%man does that mean that human nature then is also incorporated into God's nature? So, then the godhead is really, (father,son, holy spirit) plus man. So really a quadrinity. Unless of course the soul of the man Jesus seperated from his God nature. I have never heard of that though. How could Jesus stop being a hypostatic union? And also Christian doctrine alleges a pre-existent physical Jesus right? Melchizedek?
Jesus is 100 percent God, and 100 percent man...God has so loved man that to save him, God became a man, that he might die as a man condemned of God, for our sins.Jesus has forever committed himself to being a man...the only God man, and yes we do believe that Jesus pre-existed.He “came into the world”
Okay so the trinity contains a human being. The trinity is really a quadrinity or a Trinitarian hypostatic union. Do you believe Melchizedek was Jesus?
God became a man, that he might die as a man condemned of God
In other words, God adopted a human soul, then condemed himself to die. Frankly that is cheating. We cant do the law "perfectly", so God manufactures a new man, born by virtue of the holy spirit impregnating a human woman, a hypostatic union of 100% God and 100% man, thereby it is impossible for this new man to sin, since G-d can't be in the presence of sin. Jesus was rigged. That is cheating. Only a perfidious god would do that. If I would have been born by a relationship between God and a woman, if I were a hypostatic union, I could have been sinless too. So, frankly Jesus accomplishments were'nt really that big of deal. Jesus cheated?!
Where do you exist?
In Jesus, God fully experienced humanity including temptation that was real. That is not cheating, the temptations were real, he could have failed, but he didn’t
7During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission. 8Although he was a son, he learned obedience from what he suffered 9and, once made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him 10and was designated by God to be high priest in the order of Melchizedek.Hebrews 5:7-10
I would argue that God didnt "need" to experience temptation. After all, he made us and is omniscient. Could Jesus really sin (note: I think he did sin)? With a god-man nature I would say it is impossible. Being 100%G100%M the 100%G would not permit sin to occur. How could it? If the man part sinned the God part would, by definition, also sin.
He clearly would not be like "us" and therefore is cheating.
The writer of Hebrews claims Jesus is the High Priest but he is not of the correct tribe. Jesus is presumed to be of the tribe of Judah (which is debateable) and therefore could not be of the Aaronic Priesthood.
The Lord said unto my Lord sit at my right hand...the Lord has sworn and will not repent ,Thou art a Priest forever after the order of Melchisedec-
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2512834/posts?page=72#72
But do you think Melchizedek was Jesus? Or Jesus was just a type of Melchizedek? Either way, you still cant be The Messiah from the tribe of Judah and Priest of the tribe of Levi. Cant be both.
If I wasn't, then I would have the power to exist separately from God - which I believe is impossible by definition, not only for me, but for every creature in existence, by definition.
So yes, I believe I must be part of God, because God is all there is.
And therefore that you are part of God, too.
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