Posted on 06/02/2010 1:47:13 PM PDT by reaganaut
Jesus of Nazareth, also known as Jesus Christ, or simply Jesus, is the central figure of Christianity. The life and sermons of Jesus form the basis of the Christian faith. Jesus Christ is recognized by believing Christians as God incarnate, the Son of God who was raised from the dead—the Redeemer of mankind—the most important figure in history.
According to Mormon doctrine, Jesus Christ is the Savior of the world. However, it seems that even the perceived Savior of the world is not exempt from LDS temple rituals. Proxy rites for Jesus Christ were performed in the Salt Lake (LDS) Temple in Utah, in April 2010. The Salt Lake Temple, located on Temple Square in the heart of Mormon-dominated Salt Lake City, was dedicated on April 6, 1893—three years before Utah became a state in 1896—and is one of the oldest of the 132 currently operating temples that are owned and maintained by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS.)
New FamilySearch is the online genealogy database of the LDS Church that contains updated details of LDS temple ordinances that have been done for dead people. There are multiple listings for Jesus Christ in New FamilySearch—under different versions of his identity—which have been submitted by individual Mormons. It is not known how many times Jesus has been subjected to LDS rites because all New FamilySearch records for him—including combined records—show LDS ordinance details as “Not Available.”
On May 27, 2010, there were two similar records for Jesus in New FamilySearch which had been submitted by the same person. One listing was titled “Jesus Christian,” and showed “Jesus Christian” was born “before 1500 Bethlehem, Israel,” and died “before 1550 Jerusalem, Israel.” LDS ordinances were tagged as “Not available” on this record. The other entry was for “Jesus Cristian,” who was born “before 1502 Bethlehem, Israel,” and died “before 1539 Jerusalem, Israel.” The entry for “Jesus Cristian” gave a description of LDS ordinances, along with the name of a spouse—“Maria Magdelena.”
“Jesus Cristian” was baptized and confirmed a member of the LDS Church by proxy on April 8, 2010 in the “Salt Lake City Utah Temple.” “Jesus Cristian” was also subjected to initiatory temple ordinances on April 8, 2010; an endowment ceremony on April 9, 2010; and a marriage “sealing” to “spouse” “Maria Magdelena” on April 9, 2010—all rites occurred in the “Salt Lake City Utah Temple.”
It appears the submissions for “Jesus Christian,” and “Jesus Cristian” were attempts to manipulate the identity of Jesus Christ through the LDS temple system. The misspelled “Cristian,” instead of “Christian,” could have been a typo, or a deliberate error. It may have been intentionally entered as “Cristian” to get around a computer program that automatically blocks submissions that contain the names “Jesus Christ.” That would explain why the entry for “Jesus Christian” shows LDS ordinances as “Not available.”
While both New FamilySearch records in question lack complete birth and death data, and give imprecise “before” years of these events—the first name “Jesus” combined with the surnames “Christian” and “Cristian” (both spins on the name of “Christ”) are signs that “Jesus Christian” and “Jesus Cristian” are pseudonyms for Jesus Christ.
Other indicators on the New FamilySearch records that point to Jesus Christ are the birth place, “Bethlehem,” and the death location, “Jerusalem.” (Jesus Christ was born in Bethlehem and died outside the walls of old Jerusalem.) Another clue to the identity of “Jesus Cristian” is the name of his “spouse”—“Maria Magdelena,” a misspelled variant of Mary Magdalene. “Maria Magdelena” is not listed on the “Jesus Christian” record.
Because “Jesus Christian” and “Jesus Cristian” have similar names and identical birth and death locations—“Bethlehem” and “Jerusalem,” they are probably the same person. Their birth and death years are similar, but not the same. The estimated dates listed for these events look like they have been fabricated. According to their New FamilySearch records, “Jesus Christian” and “Jesus Cristian” were born and died in the 16th century. “Jesus Christian” lived roughly 50 years, while “Jesus Cristian” died in his thirties.
On May 27, 2010, “Maria Magdelena” was listed in New FamilySearch with her birth date as “1504 Israel,” and death date as “before 1540 Israel.” Both years are likely inventions. Along with “spouse” “Jesus Cristian,” “Maria Magdelena” was baptized and confirmed a member of the LDS Church by proxy on April 8, 2010 in the “Salt Lake City Utah Temple.” She was subjected to initiatory temple ordinances on April 8, 2010; an endowment ceremony on April 9, 2010; and the marriage “sealing” to “Jesus Cristian” on April 9, 2010—all rites were done in the “Salt Lake City Utah Temple.”
Mary Magdalene is described in the New Testament as a faithful follower of Jesus. Because the concept of marriage is strongly emphasized in LDS teachings, the notion that a spousal relationship existed between Jesus and Mary Magdalene is common among Mormons—although that belief is not formal LDS doctrine. There is no reliable historical evidence to indicate that Jesus was married—to Mary Magdalene, or anyone else.
LDS Church officials have publicly stated that the New FamilySearch program is a technological deterrent to improper submissions. Yet—under their very noses—on Temple Square in Salt Lake City, Jesus Christ—under a false name—two millennia after his birth, was offered Mormon salvation and an erroneous eternal marriage sealing.
Sometime late in the day on May 27, 2010, the individual entries for “Jesus Cristian” and “Maria Magdelena” were scrubbed from New FamilySearch—concealing the evidence that LDS rites had recently been performed for these two names in the Salt Lake Temple. The sudden disappearance of these records is a strong indication that “Jesus Cristian” and “Maria Magdelena” represent Jesus Christ and Mary Magdalene.
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The Mormon baiting that goes on here is disgusting. The fact that you are allowed to continue it is the reason I no longer donate here. You people personify all the worst stereotypes about conservatism. Although the fact that you constantly seek to alienate and offend a group of people who are reliably conservative sometimes makes me wonder if you are really trolls, seeking to divide conservatives.
Mormon baiting? Hey, we were discussing ther subject of this thread. If you coudn't resist, don't blame me. And I have never been anything but corteous to you LL.
I think your religion is false, dangerous and blasphemous, and since it IS a free country as far as I know, I will say so all I please. That's a conservative value and an American right. I served in the military to help keep it so.
"Allowed to continue" to discuss your religion on the religion forum? Who do you suggest should shut me up? Jim Rob? Take it up with him if you have the balls. Maybe you think we should pass a law forcing me to respect your religion. Wait, there's something about that in the constitution already.
You really shouldn't claim to be a conservative if you believe that. Interesting how you describe me as a "suspect". Maybe you should find another political site that would seek to limit my religious freedom by force.
Go have a nice, self-righteous, socialist, LDS day now.
You have it in a nutshell! These "standards of that faith" are being "made available to" millions and millions of our dead, regardless of the faith lived by these souls and with no permission from family members.
This is the prime occupation in the many worldwide mormon temples, and the source of coerced tithing by members who must stay "worthy" to perform these proxy rites.
I get tired of the Catholic and Mormon threads and try to stay off them, they are all BAIT.
Jesus Christ the Son of God is what matters ... Anyone who spends thier time talking about Joseph Smith or Mary is being very unproductive or worse.
Oops, “courtesy ping” to post #321
You notice T that there never is a discussion about what we post is false or untrue. (Even though we use actual lds words) but only attacks on the poster.
Bottom line:
If the Bible is true then there is no need for restoration making the BoM invalid.
If the Bible is untrue and there was a need for restoration then the Bible is invalid.
lds cannot have both.
I vote for "worse"
Oh I've noticed all right. There is rarely a factual discussion, just emotional reaction.
Well, when everything you believe is formed from burning in the bosom that’s all you got!
Agreed, and I say utterly rediculous, It is beyond me how anybody could believe that nonsense. Upon first reading anybody can tell that the book of Mormon is a book of man, not God.
Then they will get you to agree that we all must obey God and we do not understand His ways.
IT is so different than the way a Christian would try to lead another person to the truth.
As a longtime Scout leader and an apostate mormon who served twice as a Scoutmaster for LdS troops, I can tell you that the LdS most assuredly use any program they can as a recruiting/missionary tool. Especially the Boy Scouts.
That being said, the LdS outside of Utah or states or localities that have a large LdS population, typically are unable to operate a Boy Scout Troop that could be used as such. They are usually smaller and have less effective leadership because of the high turnover and the “selection” of leaders due to the “calling” process. There are folks selected who know nothing about Scouting or could care less about Scouting. But, that’s the way of the LdS.
They are also usually quite clannish in their interactions and with regards to so-called “conventional troops”, they will usually only interact with those when it benefits them to do so.
Here is some information on the religiious awards you brought up. Almost every religion that associates with Boy Scouting has one. http://www.scouting.org/filestore/pdf/512-879_WB.pdf
I would question the fact that a boy would have to join the mormon church to participate LdS scouting. Not to say the mormons wouldn’t be putting their best forward to use the activities to “proselyte”. Secondly, boys of varying faiths typically make up a troop and would go to their religious leader(s) to work on their faiths religious award. I wouldn’t expect a boy who is not a mormon to go to the bishop or young men’s president to earn a mormon award.
Keep in mind, Scouting to the LdS is an “activity” that is used to supplement their young men’s priesthood training program and to be used as a missionary tool. It’s use and benefits are all secondary to the church. If it interferes or contradicts with their church activities or teachings, it’s tossed aside.
You made the claim, it’s up to to you answer the mail!
Typical...
Hyperbole much?
Your emotional response to an otherwise rational discourse is duly noted.
Please point out where I’ve personally insulted anyone. When you can do that, then I will give your claims some credence.
Your bigotry towards those who would disagree with mormonism and your subsequent cognitive dissonance is also noted. (penalizing FR because JR would allow the freedom to expose the teachings of JS and the LdS)
If you don’t like the fact that FR “allows” the “disgusting mormon baiting”, why are you still here?
Ahh, and at the last, the “troll” descriptor. How very liberal of you.
The vast amount of misrepresentation, twisting and lies spewed forth on these boards by the Anti-Mormon clan is quite mind-boggling and overwhelming. That is probably intentional. It would be a daunting task for someone here to address them all individually. Luckily, Every Single One of the anti-claims on this board are addressed elsewhere if you look.
Any one wanting to know about the LDS faith do yourself a huge favor and don’t get your info only from here or other anti-biased places.
But by all means, DO read this stuff.
Then look into it yourself. Put forth some effort and you will be astonished at just how decietful the anti information is. Very little effort can be very enlightening.
You do want the Truth right? Show it.
Well you're wrong and I challenge you to prove it.
I can prove my assertion, can you?
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