Gunning for Godfried? Belgian abuse probe asks what Danneels knew

Reuters ^ | Jun 29, 2010 12:37 EDT | Reuters

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Are the Belgian judicial authorities gunning for Godfried? It looks like Cardinal Godfried Danneels, the popular grandfatherly Catholic prelate who stepped down in January as archbishop of Brussels-Mechelen after three decades, is the main target of the incredible “tomb raider” sweeps that shocked the Church last Thursday. The police who swooped down on the diocesan headquarters in Mechelen, Danneels’s own apartment nearby and the offices of the Church commission on abuse in Leuven did not suspect the cardinal of abuse himself. But it seems the investigating magistrate behind the raid is convinced that Danneels hushed up cases during his long reign.

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This is what it's all about, the systemic and continued cover-up of abuse.

That so much information was flowing into the Church commission and so little of it getting out to the judicial authorities seems to have been the trigger for the investigating magistrate following abuse cases to take action. Justice Minister Stefaan De Clerck accused the commission of dragging its feet. The commission head, Peter Adriaenssens, said it had planned to draw up an initial report on its cases in October. One of the things he had on his agenda was a meeting with Danneels on July 5 to discuss his role. According to Adriaenssens, the cardinal’s name came up in about 50 dossiers, not as an abuser, but as someone who knew what was happening.

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it seems the investigating magistrate behind the raid is convinced that Danneels hushed up cases during his long reign.

[Quix]

HMMMMMMM

I do think there is certainly a place for shining the spotlight of truth on evil . . . wherever it’s found . . . and acting redemptively accordingly.

I also believe that while there will probably be increasing occasions to do that sort of thing . . .

there’s also looming rapidly closer . . . the need to rescue the perishing and let God deal with the past.

[Mad Dawg]

How’s the photo-shoppe going? ... ;-)

BTW, I want to apologize to you for my harshness in some previous posts on another thread. I was wrong to act that way. I will pray about it, HAVE prayed about it and for the grace to amend my behavior.

I do think that wherever the blame lies, certainly there was very great evil done in the Catholic Church and a little Babylonian chastisement is something to which we should submit with as good grace as possible.

I would however caution the Babylonians: The Persians are coming out of the sunrise lands. Though God may have appointed you to chastise those whom He loves, do not think that you will do so forever or with impunity. Oh children of Babylon, the children of Israel the fallen are sown all over the world. They flourish, while the idols of Babylon are in museums.

Okay, excuse me. I hear my chastisers calling.

[Mad Dawg]

My impression, hastily gathered, is that just about everybody think Daneels is a piece of work.

[TSgt]

Though God may have appointed you to chastise those whom He loves, do not think that you will do so forever or with impunity.

Not sure what you are talking about or smoking but I personally don't hate Catholics, just those that rape children. It begs the question, which side of the debate are you on?

[Hacksaw]

Not sure what you are talking about or smoking but I personally don't hate Catholics, just those that rape children.

I would suggest then hating all people that rape children, not just Catholics who do it.

[Mad Dawg]

Too early to smoke. I’m just snorting whatever comes to hand. Ground coffee, mostly.

I’m glad you don’t hate all of us, just the SOBs (Is that allowed on the religion forum - of course, it means Sons of Babylon. Yes (nodding, with very serious expression).)

I think a lot of bishops messed up over the past decades. of them most were just dopes. A few were fallen into very serious sin. Daneels shows every indication of being among that few.

(Why I single out bishops is that the perverted clergy in their care should have been appropriately dealt with at the diocesan level, that is, by their bishops. However, I must point out that being bishop isn’t something I’d do even if dared to. Terrible job!)

Because of the viciousness of a comparative few, the whole Church is chastised. Fine. I’m okay with that.

But the extended delirium about Babylon is an analogy. Judah deserved the exile. Judah GOT the exile. But the Babylonians, who were God’s instruments of punishment for Judah, are gone. Judah survives.
Likewise: the Catholic Church deserves some chastisement. We’re getting it. But those who are the instruments of our chastisement should look to Babylon.

Who would you rather be, one of Belteshazzar’s favored men on the night the handwriting appeared on the wall? Or one of his Jewish slaves?

As to whose side I am on? I am on the side of the my brothers and sisters. When they fall and are deservedly chastised I hope to be there for them as I hope they are here for me in my sins and my chastisement. What else?

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I would suggest then hating all people that rape children, not just Catholics who do it.

I do, it's just that the Catholic's keep me so busy with their systemic cover-ups. Did you bother to read the article or do you just jump from thread to thread to attack me?

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Why I single out bishops is that the perverted clergy in their care should have been appropriately dealt with at the diocesan level, that is, by their bishops.

I think you are one of the few FReepers who get my frustration. I'm well aware of the fact that children are abused in other faiths as well as in public institutions. My primary issue is with the Catholic leadership, or the lack thereof. It can and has been argued that the systemic and global cover-up of abuse may be worse than the actual crime.

I hear constant talk of "zero tolerance" and "new policies" yet the leadership in the church continues to impede justice as was the case here. It's nice of Pope Benedict to say, "I'm sorry" but those are only words. He needs to purge the church of the offending Bishops such as Law and Mahony. Until then, they are just hollow words.

[dangus]

Danneels was very popular among the leftists, modernists and heretics in the Catholic church, and their praise corner in the secular media. If there was any prelate I’d love to see crash and burn, it’d be him.

But this sort of fishing expedition by the police is very harrowing, and should alarm all citizens at the violation of rights and due process, and all Christians at its political motivations.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the ping!

[Quix]

WELL AND REASONABLY PUT, imho.

Though I’m not sure how accurate “few” is.

[marshmallow]

I do, it's just that the Catholic's keep me so busy with their systemic cover-ups.

"Catholics keep me so busy........."? Another side-splitter........LOL!! Do they really?? How absolutely evil of them!!

What a load of pretentious, self-serving claptrap.

Try not to confuse disagreement with you with the covering up of crime, OK? They're not synonymous. We are permitted to disagree with you, right? Or are you the Pope, whose word is dogma on this subject?

Fortunately, FR has a search function and anyone interested in reading just one example of your shtick should read THIS thread for example.

Tell me if I've drunk the Special Sarge Kool Aid here and got the story correct.

1) Sex abuse is continuing unchecked in the Catholic Church and absolutely nothing has been done to halt it. In fact, it is getting worse. Much worse! More than anyone knows!

2) It is being facilitated by the current Pope who is the principal orchestrator of a global coverup.

3)Any official statistics, such as those detailed in the John Jay Report into US sex abuse, are not to be believed (showing as they do a drastic fall off in allegations) as they grossly underestimate the true numbers which are off the charts.

4) All reports of improvement in the US or anywhere else are entirely bogus and are the result of the evil Catholic spin machine.

5)Catholics on FR care nothing for the victims and are part of the global cover up. They will all go to hell.

6)A small number of heroic, non-Catholic truth seekers are alone on FR in their determination to expose the truth and in their care for victims which they do daily at enormous cost to themselves.

7) Truth seekers (such as moi) are equally critical of sex abuse wherever it occurs and their apparent exclusive preoccupation with Catholic cases is entirely due to the fact that it is much, much worse in the Catholic Church.

Have I got that right?

Thank you.

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Try not to confuse disagreement with you with the covering up of crime, OK?

When the argument is that of, "this is nothing more than a great conspiracy against the Catholic church" then yes, the disagreement and cover-up are synonymous.

I would appreciate it if you would leave my military service out of this, i.e. "Sarge", though I'm use to you and other neo-Catholic FReepers using it as an attack angle due to your inability to defend your position.

[Quix]

There’s no . . . great surprise . . . that in our era . . . the ruling globalist oligarchy will hunt Christians down for extermination and worse.

One of the more horrid things appears to be that the Vatican is more than a little going along toward setting up such a global tyranny.

In this case . . . some authority may have NEEDED to act to take the matter out of recalcitrant hands.

[marshmallow]

I would appreciate it if you would leave my military service out of this, i.e. "Sarge", though I'm use to you and other neo-Catholic FReepers using it as an attack angle due to your inability to defend your position.

ROFL................."How many times do I have to tell you!!!! Don't call me Sarge!!!!!!

So we're reduced to bitching about screen names now, are we??........*shaking head*............

How about if I call you "Mr. T"? Would that work? Remember the black, muscled dude on "The 'A' Team"?

Would that be OK?

[lastchance]

I believe Danneels was popular with the heterodox Catholics and liberal secularists. If you get a chance look up his involvement with a catechism book used in Catholic schools. The outright pederasty encouraged by that book will make you sick. I think there have been some reference to it here on FR.

The Cardinal was never popular with faithful orthodox Catholics and his policies no doubt are directly responsible for an atmosphere that tolerated sexual abuse.

[Mad Dawg]

Mr T is my hero. Well, one of them.