Posted on 08/07/2010 8:36:45 PM PDT by TwoLegsGood
interesting piece, but you won’t get far making a rational argument to someone who’s suicidal because of mental anguish. Their immediate situation is so bad that they just want it to end, and whatever comes next doesn’t really matter to them. I’ve never been that bad off, but I’ve suffered bouts of depression that were pretty bad. I have a lot of compassion for someone in that situation. I have to believe a loving God would look kindly on them.
To be or not to be– that is the question:
Whether ‘tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune,
Or to take arms against a sea of troubles
And, by opposing, end them. To die, to sleep
No more – and by a sleep to say we end
The heartache and the thousand natural shocks
That flesh is heir to – ‘tis a consummation
Devoutly to be wished. To die, to sleep
To sleep, perchance to dream. Ay, there’s the rub,
For in that sleep of death what dreams may come,
When we have shuffled off this mortal coil,
Must give us pause. There’s the respect
That makes calamity of so long life.
For who would bear the whips and scorns of time,
Th’ oppressor’s wrong, the proud man’s contumely,
The pangs of disprized love, the law’s delay,
The insolence of office, and the spurns
That patient merit of th’ unworthy takes,
When he himself might his quietus make
With a bare bodkin? Who would fardels bear,
To grunt and sweat under a weary life,
But that the dread of something after death,
The undiscovered country from whose bourn
No traveler returns, puzzles the will
And makes us rather bear those ills we have
Than fly to others that we know not of?
Thus conscience does make cowards of us all,
And thus the native hue of resolution
Is sicklied o’er with the pale cast of thought,
And enterprises of great pitch and moment
With this regard their currents turn awry,
And lose the name of action.—Soft you now!
The fair Ophelia! Nymph, in thy orisons
Be all my sins remembered.
Looking kindly on them is a masterpiece of understatement, He loved them so much, He gave His only Son for them. Suicide is the most extreme act of selfishness and self-centeredness one can commit.
You’re making the assumpption that a suicidal person is in their right mind. They aren’t. It’s not a matter of selfishness.
A very permanant solution to a temporary problem.
Your self-righteousness is staggering and you’ve clearly never suffered from depression of any magnitude. Suicide is often the only way that someone suffering the extreme mental anguish of deep depression or other mental illness can see to end his or her suffering.
That may be a good excuse, but it won’t satisfy God. Not after He went to the extreme to provide the ulitimate remedy for any and all mental anguish or deep depression. I have first hand knowledge on this my ex-wife was bi-polar.
It is the concept of despair, or lack of faith in God, or the belief that you’ve been handed a situation that is more than you can bear.
It is important that we don’t judge the state of mind of the deceased at the time of death. We don’t know!
Which is why I wrote I do not believe it to be a mortal sin.
Yeah I knew a couple of those Hemlock Society folks. I keep a safe distance away from them at all times—don’t want to be collateral damage.
Your body is a Temple of the Holy Spirit and the only unforgivagle sin is sin against the Holy Spirit.
Despair IS a mortal sin.
The point is that we can’t know the state of mind of others.
But that actively taking one’s own life as an act of despair IS a mortal sin.
[Suicide is the most extreme act of selfishness and self-centeredness one can commit.]
I concur, exept that perhaps the murder and murder/suicide sins are the same level of selfishness. I had the delight of a visit from my aging parents yesterday where we discussed the events of a family that we were very close to in my childhood. The father and two of the three sons were bipolar, and the youngest son committed suicide.
Although my opinion is such that his suicide was a very selfish act, I have compassion for the man. It may be misplaced, but I feel compelled to believe that our loving Father may very well share that compassion.
This is what Paul meant, when he wrote,
Romans 12:2
And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what [is] that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
MY ex-wife was diagnosed with bi-polar illness, after she tried but failed to commit suicide, she was admitted to the hospital where she was convinced, by well meaning but totally off-base psyche doctors, that her only hope to fend off any future bouts of depression, was to go on meds, the meds she went on cost about $500.00 per month. I tried to give her encouragement to seek God, but she refused to consider any spiritual answers.
The meds did keep her from trying to commit suicide again, while we were married, but she still flew into episodes and fits of anger, she became an extremly hateful, bitter person. She may be alive, but she is far from living the abundant life, promised by God, to all who accept His Son as Savior. So, it may just be a matter of time, before she tries again. I pray for her everyday.
G Larry no, sinning sexually or against your body is NOT the unforgivable sin.
The unforgivable sin that Jesus talks about has to do with religious folks.
It is knowing that something is a miracle of the Holy Spirit and calling it a sign of Satan.
I believe that the church is about to enter into this Apostasy now, I believe this because I have seen men and women’s minds warped with hate in the Church.
There is a scripture about this... “they will believe they are doing a duty for God when they kill you”...
Google the “strong Delusion” that God will send on people. This is the problem of the church in these last days. Suicide is not.
IF someone commits suicide and has not truly accepted Jesus as his Savior, they are as hell bound as the next dead unrepentant sinner. IF that same someone had already truly accepted the Lord, then NO ONE, not even ones self, “can snatch them out of my Father’s hand.” Jn 10:29b NIV
The only unforgivable sin is refusing the grace of His salvation.
There are those who did once claim to be Christians, but then say that they are not. Now they refuse to admit that Jesus is the Christ. They did not really believe in the Lord Jesus and they do not know Him.
The day will come when they will have to stand before God. Then Christ will deny them. He will say that He does not know them. They will not live with Him in that day.
James 2:18
Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
If you don’t mind...I don’t “google” to determine the truth of the Bible.
Okay, then use Strong’s..
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I like to think that God welcomes suicides by offering a loving, compassionate, forgiving embrace.
To me that article read like so much “blah”, “blah”, “blah”...
Almost no one knows what it is to step inside the mind of a person seriously considering suicide.
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