Posted on 08/21/2010 9:46:08 AM PDT by mlizzy
Catholics aren't the only ones seeing the youth desert them. But Catholics are the only ones who can reverse the process.
(Excerpt) Read more at youtube.com ...
In my late teens and early 20’s, many of my friends, including myself split from the Catholic Church.
20 years later , most have returned.
I loathe/strongly disagree with much of the Roman Catholic leadership over their Social Justice themes and the Churches slow drift into Humanistic principles, but NOW, I refuse to leave. Many of my friends have stated similar reasons.
The Church needs to stop trying to be MTV cool and get back to the basics.
He sounds like a Suuni Muslim putting down a Shiite, or vice versa.
He's so steeped in his Catholic mumbo-jumbo that he actually thinks he knows something about Evangelical churches...which he does not.
Proof of how blind he is is the fact that he seems to think his put downs of those who don't want the Word of God buried in a lot of liturgy and intermediaries actually makes his religion appealing.
But then, Islam is appealing to some Westerners who need structure and want the burden of thinking for themselves or having a personal relationship with God removed from them, too.
Maybe Michael can beat the local Imam to some of those lost souls and lock them into a lifelong contract.
As millions of Catholics convert to Evangelical and become pro-life conservatives instead of pro-abortion liberal Catholics, this guy will have to make more of his incredibly bigoted and mocking, and false, propaganda videos. It makes you wonder which side this guy plays for.
As conservatives, all of us have an interest in this guy’s anti-Evangelical bigotry regardless of which church we attend, since they are the most conservative, most pro-life group in America. This is especially important in the face of the Kennedy migration from Catholic Mexico.
From THE HISTORY NEWS NETWORK;
“What are the political party preferences of Catholic and Protestant renewalists? In general the Pew study points out that “Latino evangelicals are twice as likely to be Republicans as Latino Catholics.” Another Pew study that examined the 2004 presidential elections notes that “Republican gains have been greatest among Protestant Hispanics especially those who consider themselves evangelical Christians.”3 Interestingly, Latino Catholic conservatives, a group which includes the large portion of Catholic Charismatics, favor the Democratic party. In other words, conservative ideology does not automatically translate into support for the Republican Party. With regard to by far the largest group of Latin American immigrants, Mexicans, Democrats enjoy a sizeable advantage among Mexican Catholics (49% vs. 14%). “However, among Mexican evangelicals the partisan split goes the other way (47% for Republicans and 24% for Democrats).””
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“Latino Catholics still outnumber Latino Protestants to a large extent, and these Latino Catholics prefer by and large the Democratic Party over the GOP. The activism of the Catholic Church in fostering a pro-immigrant policy reform, more or less directly supports the voting base of the Democratic Party. This is because of the close connection of the Catholic Church with other pro-immigrant network organizations used to mobilize Latinos politically. Pro-immigrant networks turned their efforts into large campaigns of citizenship and voter registration among Latinos, often using the infrastructure of Catholic parishes. These new citizens and registered voters are much more likely to vote for the Democratic Party, instead of voting Republican, because of the large percentage of Latino foreign-born Catholics.
In the long run, however, the Republican Party may benefit from the conversion of Catholic Hispanics to Protestantism. This would then in turn transform the former historic ethnic-religious advantage of the Democratic Party among Latino Catholics. Interestingly, this polarization was already visible during the 2004 presidential campaign.”
I think it’s pretty silly to say that Catholicism can grow and Evangelical churches cannot. Of the two groups, Catholicism has the far greater problem. There are more “cafeteria Catholics” than Evangelicals that don’t really believe in their faith.
Guys like you can lead a more confrontational, and educational path within the church, a slight change in the way that a church message is delivered, or emphasised, or connected to political issues can change the average good Catholic, into an average good Catholic that sees the horror of voting Democrat.
Your comments seem irrational.
And your comment leads me to assume you're Catholic.
My tag line should be enough to discover that. And your comments still seem irrational. Do you have any actual rational criticisms of Voris’ comments?
I already stated my criticisms. But you can't understand them, and I'm NOT going to drone them in Latin for you so you can still not understand them but pretend you do the way you do at mass.
I said “rational” criticisms. I see your rant. What I was asking you for is “rational” criticisms. Please make an argument of some kind. Are you capable of doing that?
By the way, I attend the Latin Mass, and have no problem understanding the Latin text. If you are not educated enough to understand a second language, don’t assume we are all as equally lacking in that area.
The left in the world truly hate the Church because the left does not like any barrier to their madness. We need to be purged of any priest who is guilty of gross sin or of spreading the destructive humanistic marxism which has infected the minds of many students at university.
In case you're not aware of it, this thread was NOT one of the closed ones where your poor little sensitivities aren't allowed to be hurt by alternative perspectives...even if they offend you so greatly as to be incomprehensible to you.
It is open to those of us who, praise God, have escaped the confines of the Catholic Church.
If I might assume that you in fact have a somewhat functional brain, albeit having admitted to relinquishing your free will, your defensive reaction to my "rant" does little more than demonstrate the fragility of your position.
I spent far too much time in my life among your sort, so forgive me for ignoring any additional attacks you may feel the need to make.
With the exception of weddings and funerals, I will not darken the doors of a Catholic church for the remainder of my life. Thank you and Mr Vortex for re-affirming the soundness of that decision.
YHvH and His Salvation don't want rock concerts nor magic shows about matzoh and Passover wine.shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiachYHvH wants us to worship Him by lifting up our voices in praise.
6 For I desire goodness, not sacrifice; Obedience to God, rather than burnt offerings.
I will agree with my business competitor as we work together for the defeat of cancer of liberalism though he be a staunch Protestant.
Let's agree however that the ever growing influence of liberalism and the celebration of wickedness is shaping the minds of children to wink at sin and leave their faith.
Let's all vote Obama and all Democrats out of office before it is too late and we do not have long.
Let's agree however that the ever growing influence of liberalism and the celebration of wickedness is shaping the minds of children to wink at sin and leave their faith. Let's all vote Obama and all Democrats out of office before it is too late and we do not have long.Couldn't agree with you more. We need to buckle down and work together.
You wrote:
“Yada, yada, yada.”
Well, I guess that’s the closest you’re ever going to come to making an intelligent argument.
“In case you’re not aware of it, this thread was NOT one of the closed ones where your poor little sensitivities aren’t allowed to be hurt by alternative perspectives...even if they offend you so greatly as to be incomprehensible to you.”
1) I knew it was an open thread and I don’t see why that means you think posting irrationally makes sense.
2) What might offend me is not likely to be incomprehensible to me.
3) Your comments did not offend me.
Care to try again? You’re not doing so well thus far.
“It is open to those of us who, praise God, have escaped the confines of the Catholic Church.”
Confines? Where to these confines begin and end? Can you document these confines?
“If I might assume that you in fact have a somewhat functional brain, albeit having admitted to relinquishing your free will, your defensive reaction to my “rant” does little more than demonstrate the fragility of your position.”
Try not to be dishonest. I have never relinquished my free will. I am a Catholic by choice. Do you resort to such false claims when you have no argument? Also, how is asking you to make an argument a “defensive reaction”?
“I spent far too much time in my life among your sort, so forgive me for ignoring any additional attacks you may feel the need to make.”
Attacks? Again, how is asking you to make an argument an “attack”?
“With the exception of weddings and funerals, I will not darken the doors of a Catholic church for the remainder of my life. Thank you and Mr Vortex for re-affirming the soundness of that decision.”
There doesn’t seem to be any soundness to it. Again, it seems irrational. You certainly can’t seem to show any rational basis for it. No surprise there.
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