Skip to comments.Vatican issues final text of the Roman Missal, Third Edition [Catholic Caucus]
Posted on 08/21/2010 11:26:50 PM PDT by Salvation
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Maybe someone can copy this pdf file onto this thread so we can all see the translation. When I try to copy it, I lose all the formatting, color, spacing, etc.
I have read through the changes and I like them all. I have been unable to find any reference to the fact that some diocese insist that the people stand during the Consecration. Any word on that?
This is going to throw catholc faith communities into chaos from maine to sf. Pls pass the popcorn.
Many parishes have gone from calling themselves parishes to “faith communities.” Just trying to use their language.
The bishops don’t enforce liturgical norms now. Why should we believe this is going to change anything?
In my experience, they will have one or more of the following:
In other words, a place to run from...far from...and quickly.
Of course, your mileage may vary
I mean, a translation of "et cum spiritu tuo" as "and also with you", or "Credo" as "we believe" isn't really a translation at all, is it?
Except for that, I think you're right.
By the way, as a born and brought up Protestant hymn singer, I can't believe how bad those two are.
I mean, I understand the "no hymns" or "only chant" POV. I don't agree with it, but I understand it.
But there is a 500-year long tradition of English-language hymnody to work with - congregational hymns have to start out singable, and go from there.
Where did they find those guys?
And Delores Dufner?
I mean, do it right or don't do it.
I am not certain that I buy a lot of the conspiratorial stuff that Voris has in his video, but the "Protestantation" of the Mass is very, very apparent. The soon-to-be-retired translation makes it far worse. Essentially changing the character of the Mass as a divine worship that is a figure of the divine worship currently going on in Heaven to a communal dinner.
I mean, look at the totally illicit acclamation: Christ has died, Christ has Risen, Christ will come again. Yes, that is a true statement...but its inclusion during the Eucharistic prayer has utterly nothing to do with the purpose of that Eucharistic prayer. (A re-presentation of the sacrifice at Calvary and offering the Sacred Body and Blood of Christ, a/k/a the Victim, as an oblation for the sins of the word)
They have managed to slide their modernist theology even more into the soon-to-be-retired mistranslation (even more than it is in the Novus Ordo mass in of itself). With a return to a more faithful translation from the Latin, some of the cards get knocked out. And a house of cards is very, very difficult to keep standing...particularly if one of the cards at the base is removed.
Lex orandi, lex credendi, lex vivendi.
Except for that, I think you're right.
You know, you're right. "Faith communities" don't have statues. They have banners. And really ugly modern art.
LOL! Truth be told!
I don’t think the bishops have any choice in this. It is coming from the Vatican.
Any priest who is worth his salt would be really, willing and most anxious to execute these changes in celebrating the Mass.
>>You know, you’re right. “Faith communities” don’t have statues. They have banners. And really ugly modern art. <<
Mark, you’re killing me.
We camp once a month with our HS group. We attend a parish called Sacred Heart. From the outside one can see that this is a very historic parish. Inside, there is a choir loft with a huge organ but the confessionals are now alcoves with china cabinets holding the remnants of days gone by. Beautiful patens, challices and a monstrance. They Daisy chain for the Our Father. You hear huge BOOMs as the kneelers are smacked up and everyone moves to the middle to hold hands. Needless to say, we don’t participate.
Here is the oddest thing of all. This is a banner parish with a huge “Risen Christ” at the front. Around the third time we attended, I looked at the original altar under that Christ. It was thin. I then looked to the side and realized that in order to cover the original Art work in the arch above the altar (I’m assuming frescos of saints) they built a false wall in front. You could tell because the side heating ducts were half in front and half behind the wall!
Talk about going to extremes!
You are so right that those are rotten translations. Two, only two, of the reasons it’s all being changed. Be happy!
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