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Vatican issues final text of the Roman Missal, Third Edition [Catholic Caucus]
USCCB.org ^ | august 2010 | USCCB via Vatican

Posted on 08/21/2010 11:26:50 PM PDT by Salvation

Vatican issues final text of the Roman Missal, Third Edition, for the Dioceses of the United States of America
New Words: A Deeper Meaning, but the Same Mass

Photo by CNS/Karen Callaway
The Roman Missal, Third Edition, the ritual text containing prayers and instructions for the celebration of the Mass, has been approved by the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments.  First use of the new text of the new Roman Missal will be on the First Sunday of Advent, November 27, 2011. 

Pope John Paul II announced a revised version of the Missale Romanum during the Jubilee Year 2000. Among other things, the revised edition of the Missale Romanum contains prayers for the observances of recently canonized saints, additional prefaces for the Eucharistic Prayers, additional Votive Masses and Masses and Prayers for Various Needs and Intentions, and some updated and revised rubrics (instructions) for the celebration of the Mass. The English translation of the Roman Missal will also include updated translations of existing prayers, including some of the well–known responses and acclamations of the people.

This website has been prepared to help you prepare for the transition. Here you will find helpful resources for the faithful, for the clergy, and for parish and diocesan leaders, so that all of us will be ready to implement the new Missal next Advent (2011). The receipt of the recognitio marks the beginning of the proximate preparation for the implementation of the Roman Missal. During the time leading up to actual first Sunday of use of the new text, pastors are encouraged to make use of the wide variety of resources available to prepare parishioners not only for the reception of the new text, but to engage in reflection and study about the Mass and the Eucharist.

May the implementation of the revised Roman Missal be a time of deepening, nurturing, and celebrating our faith through the renewal of our worship and the celebration of the Sacred Liturgy.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Prayer; Worship
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1 posted on 08/21/2010 11:26:56 PM PDT by Salvation
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To: nickcarraway; NYer; ELS; Pyro7480; livius; ArrogantBustard; Catholicguy; RobbyS; markomalley; ...
Liturgy Ping!

Where do we go from here?
Where do we find the best resources?
How can I help my parish?

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2 posted on 08/21/2010 11:28:10 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: All
Order of the Mass

Maybe someone can copy this pdf file onto this thread so we can all see the translation. When I try to copy it, I lose all the formatting, color, spacing, etc.

3 posted on 08/21/2010 11:30:00 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

I have read through the changes and I like them all. I have been unable to find any reference to the fact that some diocese insist that the people stand during the Consecration. Any word on that?


4 posted on 08/21/2010 11:44:56 PM PDT by Slyfox
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To: Salvation

This is going to throw catholc faith communities into chaos from maine to sf. Pls pass the popcorn.


5 posted on 08/22/2010 12:43:50 AM PDT by fire4effect
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To: fire4effect
I'm a cradle Catholic...WTH is a “catholic faith commuity”?
6 posted on 08/22/2010 2:36:47 AM PDT by starlifter (Sapor Amo Pullus)
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To: starlifter

Many parishes have gone from calling themselves parishes to “faith communities.” Just trying to use their language.


7 posted on 08/22/2010 4:12:03 AM PDT by fire4effect
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To: Salvation

The bishops don’t enforce liturgical norms now. Why should we believe this is going to change anything?


8 posted on 08/22/2010 4:26:03 AM PDT by schmootman
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To: starlifter
WTH is a “catholic faith commuity”?

In my experience, they will have one or more of the following:

In other words, a place to run from...far from...and quickly.

Of course, your mileage may vary

9 posted on 08/22/2010 4:53:22 AM PDT by markomalley (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: Salvation; markomalley
Can one of you explain to me why this is opposed by lefty Catholics and a lot of religious?

I mean, a translation of "et cum spiritu tuo" as "and also with you", or "Credo" as "we believe" isn't really a translation at all, is it?

10 posted on 08/22/2010 4:55:55 AM PDT by Jim Noble (If the answer is "Republican", it must be a stupid question.)
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To: markomalley
A statue of Marty Haugen on one side of the altar and David Haas on the other

Except for that, I think you're right.

By the way, as a born and brought up Protestant hymn singer, I can't believe how bad those two are.

I mean, I understand the "no hymns" or "only chant" POV. I don't agree with it, but I understand it.

But there is a 500-year long tradition of English-language hymnody to work with - congregational hymns have to start out singable, and go from there.

Where did they find those guys?

And Delores Dufner?

I mean, do it right or don't do it.

11 posted on 08/22/2010 5:01:13 AM PDT by Jim Noble (If the answer is "Republican", it must be a stupid question.)
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To: Jim Noble
Can one of you explain to me why this is opposed by lefty Catholics and a lot of religious?

I would encourage you to watch the Michael Voris video, Weapons of MASS Destruction. After that, I would also encourage you to read Pius X's encyclical, Pascendi, written back in 1907.

I am not certain that I buy a lot of the conspiratorial stuff that Voris has in his video, but the "Protestantation" of the Mass is very, very apparent. The soon-to-be-retired translation makes it far worse. Essentially changing the character of the Mass as a divine worship that is a figure of the divine worship currently going on in Heaven to a communal dinner.

I mean, look at the totally illicit acclamation: Christ has died, Christ has Risen, Christ will come again. Yes, that is a true statement...but its inclusion during the Eucharistic prayer has utterly nothing to do with the purpose of that Eucharistic prayer. (A re-presentation of the sacrifice at Calvary and offering the Sacred Body and Blood of Christ, a/k/a the Victim, as an oblation for the sins of the word)

They have managed to slide their modernist theology even more into the soon-to-be-retired mistranslation (even more than it is in the Novus Ordo mass in of itself). With a return to a more faithful translation from the Latin, some of the cards get knocked out. And a house of cards is very, very difficult to keep standing...particularly if one of the cards at the base is removed.

Lex orandi, lex credendi, lex vivendi.

12 posted on 08/22/2010 5:24:02 AM PDT by markomalley (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: Salvation
Sorry, should have pinged you to #12.
13 posted on 08/22/2010 5:25:06 AM PDT by markomalley (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: Jim Noble
>>>A statue of Marty Haugen on one side of the altar and David Haas on the other

Except for that, I think you're right.

You know, you're right. "Faith communities" don't have statues. They have banners. And really ugly modern art.

14 posted on 08/22/2010 5:26:27 AM PDT by markomalley (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: markomalley
"catholic faith community"

....and they've been heard to sing the lyrics; "Give us the courage to join in the song" (what, exactly, does that song MEAN??!)
15 posted on 08/22/2010 6:12:32 AM PDT by NewCenturions
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To: markomalley

LOL! Truth be told!


16 posted on 08/22/2010 6:40:31 AM PDT by netmilsmom (I am inyenzi on the Religion Forum)
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To: schmootman

I don’t think the bishops have any choice in this. It is coming from the Vatican.

Any priest who is worth his salt would be really, willing and most anxious to execute these changes in celebrating the Mass.


17 posted on 08/22/2010 6:48:59 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Religion Moderator
Last night I asked the Religion Moderator to make this a Catholic Caucus thread. I guess it's still in the works.

This is a Catholic Caucus thread.


Guidelines for Catholic Caucus Threads


18 posted on 08/22/2010 6:50:38 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: markomalley

>>You know, you’re right. “Faith communities” don’t have statues. They have banners. And really ugly modern art. <<

Mark, you’re killing me.

We camp once a month with our HS group. We attend a parish called Sacred Heart. From the outside one can see that this is a very historic parish. Inside, there is a choir loft with a huge organ but the confessionals are now alcoves with china cabinets holding the remnants of days gone by. Beautiful patens, challices and a monstrance. They Daisy chain for the Our Father. You hear huge BOOMs as the kneelers are smacked up and everyone moves to the middle to hold hands. Needless to say, we don’t participate.

Here is the oddest thing of all. This is a banner parish with a huge “Risen Christ” at the front. Around the third time we attended, I looked at the original altar under that Christ. It was thin. I then looked to the side and realized that in order to cover the original Art work in the arch above the altar (I’m assuming frescos of saints) they built a false wall in front. You could tell because the side heating ducts were half in front and half behind the wall!

Talk about going to extremes!


19 posted on 08/22/2010 6:51:49 AM PDT by netmilsmom (I am inyenzi on the Religion Forum)
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To: Jim Noble

You are so right that those are rotten translations. Two, only two, of the reasons it’s all being changed. Be happy!


20 posted on 08/22/2010 6:55:51 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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21 posted on 08/22/2010 7:09:01 AM PDT by narses ( 'Prefer nothing to the love of Christ.')
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To: markomalley; sinkspur

“Lex orandi, lex credendi, lex vivendi.”

When I first started posting here, sinky and other ‘Catholic’ posters attacked me viciously for saying things like that. Odd how times have changed.


22 posted on 08/22/2010 7:12:33 AM PDT by narses ( 'Prefer nothing to the love of Christ.')
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To: narses

Its all very confusing to me...


23 posted on 08/22/2010 7:37:09 AM PDT by aimee5291
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To: Salvation

The Vatican is 6,000 miles away. Cardinal George, arguably the most influential American bishop, allows flagrant liturgical abuse of the current norms, as shown in the attached video http://marysanawim.wordpress.com/2010/04/14/more-pfleger-heresy-holy-thursday-2010-eucharistic-prayer/

Why do you believe he will enforce the new norms?


24 posted on 08/22/2010 8:51:58 AM PDT by schmootman
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To: schmootman

Is that even licit!?


25 posted on 08/22/2010 12:48:37 PM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: markomalley
I sounds like you too declined to buy a ticket for the Holy Coaster at Six Flags Over Jesus.
26 posted on 08/22/2010 2:19:23 PM PDT by starlifter (Sapor Amo Pullus)
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To: fire4effect
I understand...it's a term that diminishes the Church.
27 posted on 08/22/2010 2:20:41 PM PDT by starlifter (Sapor Amo Pullus)
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28 posted on 08/22/2010 3:07:57 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: starlifter

Exactly! Any clue why the church would do that to itself?


29 posted on 08/22/2010 5:35:56 PM PDT by fire4effect
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To: fire4effect
Any clue why the church would do that to itself?

Call itself a "faith community" instead of a "parish"?

Well, "Parish" just sounds so ... Catholic ! I mean, it smacks of rosary beads, indulgences, confession, fish on Fridays ... all of those things we've outgrown, ever since we discovered that the Gospel is really just another way of saying "social justice" and the only real sins are racism, homophobia, and an excessive carbon footprint.

/s, of course. When I look for a parish to attend while on vacation, anyplace that call itself a "Catholic Faith Community" automatically gets crossed off the list.

30 posted on 08/22/2010 6:02:06 PM PDT by Campion
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