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Contraception: The Bacteria Devouring America’s Soul
Catholic Exchange ^ | 8/27/2010 | Judie Brown

Posted on 08/27/2010 6:52:49 AM PDT by markomalley

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To: Sir_Ed
I think it's close to 50% of the USA population is divorced and remarried, No? Your friends are just commmon Americans.

If they use birth control, they are not Christians. I know that Protestantism has come down to the lowest common denominator "accept Jesus into your heart" (and you can do whatever you want because you have a fallen nature and can't help it, God understands. NOT!, never the less, those people are false Christians. Don't decieve yourselves.

101 posted on 08/28/2010 6:58:18 AM PDT by verdugo
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To: verdugo
If they use birth control, they are not Christians.

Exactly. Thanks for being willing to speak the truth.

102 posted on 08/28/2010 7:07:44 AM PDT by Elvina (BHO is doubleplus ungood.)
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To: RockyMtnMan
re: We are flawed, ALL of us, and I don’t think birth control or divorce are the litmus test for a Christian.

I know that Protestantism has come down to the lowest common denominator "accept Jesus into your heart" , and you can do whatever you want, because you have a fallen nature, and can't help it, that God understands WHICH IS TOTALLY FALSE!, never the less, people who use contraceptives are false Christians. Don't deceive yourselves.

We have a fallen nature, and because of it, we need God's grace to even believe there is a Trinitarian God. God gives us the grace to do his will, it is us who choose not to accept His grace and His Will. The sign that we don't accept His will, and thus have not His grace, is our deeds, how we live, our actions. Divorce and re-marriage, and using birth control, are outward manifestations of a rebellion against God's grace. The only REAL Christian was Christ himself, everyone else is just aspiring to his example.

103 posted on 08/28/2010 7:14:43 AM PDT by verdugo
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To: Blue Collar Christian
I've seen many examples of individuals being “tempted beyond what they could bear”. Did they make a few poor choices that put them in that position in the first place, absolutely, but once in that position they were not offered a “way out” other than their own will/self control.

“What is common to man” is a relative term, it's the difference of being tempted by Heidi Klume or Hellen Thomas. One evokes a much more potent response than the other. The power of drugs is no different, resisting pot is much easier than crystal meth once you've made the mistake of going down that path.

At what point does God no longer protect us from our own poor choices? I don't believe he does it continuously only in the beginning. But I also believe once we've made that “slide to the bottom” he offers a hand to lift us out.

It's the training of children, they will make mistakes and they must learn from them by enduring their own self inflicted pains. Once the lesson is over the parent helps the child recover and often times has the child reflect on their mistakes to avoid the same in the future.

104 posted on 08/28/2010 7:15:10 AM PDT by RockyMtnMan
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To: verdugo
Ok, say your spouse was involved in a car crash and suffered a brain injury. That injury alters their state of mind such that no one can stand to be around them. They are angry all the time and start leading a lifestyle “divorced” from God. They begin dabbling in witchcraft and the like and start influencing your children of the same.

Do you stay married? Answer carefully because I've actually heard of this happening.

If divorce is forbidden why do Catholic priests actually grant it on occasion? At what point does protecting your children become a priority over “staying married” (abusive relationships).

While I rejected divorce and contraception as high water mark, I didn't say we could do as we please and still receive God's grace and forgiveness. Your intentions are known to him, if you harbor malice and contempt he will know, if you lack humility before him he will know. All these things factor into his judgment of your actions.

105 posted on 08/28/2010 7:24:26 AM PDT by RockyMtnMan
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To: verdugo

So contraceptives and divorce are on par? Tell me, is ALL divorce a sin? Where in the Bible does it say that birth control is a sin?

I’ve known people who had several layers of contraception stacked on top of each other (some artifical, some just natural, medical issues) and they STILL got pregnant. If God wants you to have a child, you WILL have a child.


106 posted on 08/28/2010 7:32:35 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater ("Get out of the boat and walk on the water with us!”--Sen. Joe Biden)
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To: verdugo

If my wife was diagnosed with a condition that would result in her death if she became pregnant would I not be committing murder by impregnating her? How does that square with a mans obligation to his wife to consummate their relationship regularly?

The position of Christ on divorce seems unresolved to me. Based on the limitless grace of God I would tend to believe there are some cases in which divorce is appropriate.

Matthew 5:31-32

“It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement: But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.” (KJV)

Mark 10:11-12

“...Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her. And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.


107 posted on 08/28/2010 7:40:29 AM PDT by RockyMtnMan
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To: Future Snake Eater

Amen to that. Where there is a WILL (God’s will that is) there IS a way. Children are blessings, therefore if you become pregnant while practicing contraception what does that say of God’s approval? He sent the child in either case.


108 posted on 08/28/2010 7:45:09 AM PDT by RockyMtnMan
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To: verdugo
If they use birth control, they are not Christians.

Do you realize how ridiculous you sound? Folks, I am protestant, am married to a catholic, and attend catholic services. Only the taliban catholics (5% or so) beleive this.

109 posted on 08/28/2010 7:53:03 AM PDT by catfish1957 (Hey algore...You'll have to pry the steering wheel of my 317 HP V8 truck from my cold dead hands)
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To: verdugo

Can you identify the passages in the Bible that prohibit the use of birth control? I would like to better understand your framing of the “truth”.


110 posted on 08/28/2010 7:56:26 AM PDT by RockyMtnMan
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To: RockyMtnMan
Notice that I was careful to write: "If I see a person who calls themselves Christian and is divorced and remarried, I know that they are hypocrites".

The problem is not separation, the problem is the re-marriage. Real Christians do not divorce and re-marry while the spouse is still alive, even if the spouse is in a coma for years.

111 posted on 08/28/2010 8:01:44 AM PDT by verdugo
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To: verdugo

While I’ve never been divorced I’m not good with the idea that my wife could suddenly have a change of heart leaving me without the comfort of a women in the future. It seems like punishment to the faithful if I remained unmarried in such a situation while she lived a happy life with someone else until a ripe old age.

I don’t think Christ intended this for his followers either as exampled in Mathew.


112 posted on 08/28/2010 8:10:28 AM PDT by RockyMtnMan
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To: RockyMtnMan

The Old Testament Jews forbid any intercourse during infertile days (most Orthodox Jews today still practice it)
The Catholic Church has always forbidden the use of artificial birth control. All the major Protestant denominations forbid artificial birth control till the 20th century.


113 posted on 08/28/2010 8:10:58 AM PDT by verdugo
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To: verdugo

But what does the Bible say that prohibits it? Is it simply made up doctrine by various denominations or is it rooted in the word?


114 posted on 08/28/2010 8:14:52 AM PDT by RockyMtnMan
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To: verdugo

I understand the aversion to “the pill” because it can act as an abortion mechanism. Condoms, vasectomies and other strategies are incapable of producing such a condition, i.e. conception never occurs.


115 posted on 08/28/2010 8:17:45 AM PDT by RockyMtnMan
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To: RockyMtnMan
re: But what does the Bible say that prohibits it? Is it simply made up doctrine by various denominations or is it rooted in the word?

Do you call the Old Testament Jews, the Catholic Church, and all the major Protestant denomiations (and ALL the Eastern Orthodox) "various denominatioons"?

It's in scripture look up at least Onan. You know that, why do you ask me?

116 posted on 08/28/2010 8:35:03 AM PDT by verdugo
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To: RockyMtnMan
All forms of artificial birth control are forbidden by God. Man can play his games (the pill, condoms, vasectomies and other forms of artificial birth control), it does not change anything, it's just man rejecting God's grace.

Got to go, have 5 little children and a young wife, not much time for FR.

God Bless

117 posted on 08/28/2010 8:41:29 AM PDT by verdugo
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To: verdugo

What is the passage in the Bible that prohibits it. It seems you are evading a simple response. Maybe it’s because there isn’t anything in the Bible that prohibits it.

I don’t follow “religion” I follow the Word and I don’t need a priest or minister to aid my feeble mind in understanding the truth. There either is or is not a statement by the prophets or in the Old Testament that prohibits the practice. Christ was silent on the matter so we have to go farther back and I’m not Jewish so the Tora is not an option.


118 posted on 08/28/2010 8:43:50 AM PDT by RockyMtnMan
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To: verdugo

Perhaps you should more closely evaluate what you hear in Church, you might not be getting the right message. Propagating falsehoods about the Bible weakens it’s ability to win converts when they seek the truth for themselves. Your opinion is only as good as the facts that back them up.

I honestly would like to hear the official word from any church how the bible justifies this position, no matter how contorted a view it may be.


119 posted on 08/28/2010 8:48:20 AM PDT by RockyMtnMan
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To: little jeremiah

I think the analogy works pretty well. Acceptance of the indicators of moral decay can accelerate the moral decay by further desensitizing people and the upcoming generation.


120 posted on 08/28/2010 8:50:35 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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