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Harold Camping and Rapture Sadness (Family Radio Founder predicts Christ's return on 05/21/2011)
BeliefNet ^ | 08/12/2010 | Jason Boyett

Posted on 08/27/2010 8:16:51 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Christian radio host Harold Camping says Jesus is coming back in nine months: May 21, 2011. Then the world will end, according to his calculations, on October 21, 2011. He's been announcing this on his Family Radio broadcasts for several years.

The good news is that we won't have to deal with that pesky 2012 Mayan calendar apocalypse.

The bad news is that people are taking Camping seriously.

The Colorado Springs Gazette tells of a woman there who paid $1,200 to buy advertising space for bus benches in the area to help get the message out.

Marie Exley is unemployed but feels it's important that people have time to prepare for Christ's imminent return...even though the prediction makes her sad.

From the article:

Exley has bittersweet feelings about Camping's prediction.

"There are things I felt I always wanted to do -- get married, have a kid, travel more," she said. "But it's not about what I want out of life. It's about what God wants."

Since apparently it's rapture week here at O Me of Little Faith...and since I got my start as a writer by making fun of End-Times mania, I guess I could spend the next few paragraphs waxing sarcastically about Camping and his failed end-of-the-world predictions and the dumb, complicated mathematical code he uses to arrive at them. After all, he's been playing up this 2011 date for several years, since Jesus failed to come back when Camping originally predicted it in 1994. (Camping says it's because he made a mathematical error with that date, but now he's corrected it. Score one for calculators.)

But today is one of those days when I just don't find any humor in this kind of thing. Today, Camping's brand of apocalypticism just makes me sad. His super-confident, trust-me-I'm-an-expert teaching causes people like Exley to spend money she doesn't have on useless advertising, and it makes her think that this is her last year on earth. It depresses her now, a little -- she's missing out on marriage and a family -- and it sets her up for disappointment later, when Jesus doesn't come back next May.

I'm already disappointed and sad at this kind of reaction, because not only does it play on people's fears, but it manipulates them because of their hope.

Camping himself has little to lose. He's an old man. If he's right about Christ's return, he's already lived a full life and he'll be hailed as a prophet. Camping, FTW! But if he's wrong -- which he WILL be -- well, he'll get through it just like he did in 1994. He'll blame the math or something and eventually retire. The sooner, the better. He'll survive.

But people like Exley have much more to lose. They'll spend this next year in limbo. Why get a job if Jesus is coming back in May? Why plan for the future? Why save anything for retirement, or fall in love, or start a family if the world's about to fall into chaos? She'll suspend her life until May 21, 2011, and when Jesus fails to adhere to Camping's timetable, she'll have to start over...spiritually, emotionally, and culturally. She'll look like an idiot. She'll have wasted a good chunk of money. She'll have put her hope in something and see it fall to pieces.

Camping's faith will survive the failed prediction, just like it did in 1994. But what about Exley's faith? What will happen to the faith of his thousands of listeners who have invested their hope (and money) into this scenario?

We can laugh all we want at the stupidity of End-Times date-setters who are wrong. They've been wrong for two thousand years, and they'll be wrong in the future.

But it's hard to laugh at the gullible people who believe them. If you want to be mean, you can call them mindless sheep. But don't forget that they're also a kind of victim: Victims of hope, victims of religious fervor, and victims of certainty.


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KEYWORDS: eotw; haroldcamping; rapture; secondcoming
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1 posted on 08/27/2010 8:16:58 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

How do people not get “no man knows the time or day”.


2 posted on 08/27/2010 8:18:35 AM PDT by svcw (Everyday the enemy tries to offer you an apple, when God has already given us an orchard.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Stupidity abounds. Calclulations? What calculations? Show your work.

SnakeDoc


3 posted on 08/27/2010 8:19:58 AM PDT by SnakeDoctor ("Shut it down" ... 00:00:03 ... 00:00:02 ... 00:00:01 ... 00:00:00.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Blasphemy. “But of that day and hour no one knoweth, not the angels of heaven, but the Father alone.”


4 posted on 08/27/2010 8:20:03 AM PDT by La Lydia
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To: svcw

“How do people not get “no man knows the time or day”.”

Well, he’s got to get his ‘15 minutes of fame’ somehow! /s


5 posted on 08/27/2010 8:20:43 AM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: SeekAndFind
One of the consequences of narcissism is that the narcissist believes that he is so important that the entire universe will surely end when he dies.

End-time prophets fall into this category.

6 posted on 08/27/2010 8:21:03 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The only stable state is one in which all men are equal before the law." -- Aristotle)
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To: svcw

exactly! Love your tag line by the way!!


7 posted on 08/27/2010 8:21:10 AM PDT by pollywog ("Under His Wings".........Psalm 91:4)
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To: SeekAndFind

Don’t forget to buy your ascention robes and Charles Miller tee shirts.


8 posted on 08/27/2010 8:21:17 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: SeekAndFind

Only a false prophet would identify a date certain.

Having said that, Jesus is coming for His bride - in the timing of the Father. Believers should be rejoicing & looking forward to that fact.


9 posted on 08/27/2010 8:21:39 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: SnakeDoctor

Yeah, in Calculus class you gave up the 15 points if you didn’t show your work. The least he could do is publish his computations ... I’m a mathematician by profession and a committed believer in Christ. I would be happy to give the computations a fair shake despite my bias going in.


10 posted on 08/27/2010 8:23:55 AM PDT by dartuser ("Palin 2012 ... nothing else will do.")
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To: SeekAndFind
Like the guy who stands on the corner & rants at the passersby, prophesying a date of the end times does far more harm than good.

"Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves."

11 posted on 08/27/2010 8:25:06 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: SeekAndFind

Looks like I’ll have to change that dental appointment.


12 posted on 08/27/2010 8:26:23 AM PDT by CrazyIvan (What's "My Struggle" in Kenyan?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Thank you for calling and sharing


13 posted on 08/27/2010 8:27:02 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (I aspire to a large carbon footprint; just like Al Gore's)
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To: SnakeDoctor

RE: Calclulations? What calculations? Show your work.

Here is a sample from Harold Camping’s latest book entitled: “We are Almost There!”


The church age embraced, to the very day, exactly 1,955 years in that it began on Pentecost day, May 22, A.D. 33, and ended the day before Pentecost on May 21, 1988 (A.D.). (p. 29)

As we have noted, God further solidifies or locks in this date, May 21, 2011, by placing the day of shutting the door, when the rapture will occur, on the 17th day of the second month of the Biblical calendar. Significantly, the number 17 links perfectly to the fact of the rapture because spiritually, the number 17 signifies heaven.

Moreover, the number 2 (second month) spiritually identifies with those who have been commissioned to bring the Gospel. Is it not amazing that they will be raptured on the 17th day of the second month? Is that coincidental?
We also have learned that the last day of the earth’s existence, October 21, 2011, is the 23rd day of the seventh month of the Biblical calendar. The number 23 normally signifies God’s wrath being poured out. The number 7 (seventh month) signifies the perfect fulfillment of God’s purposes. Could this also be coincidental, that the final completion of God’s punishment on the unsaved occurs in the seventh month on a day that features the number 23, which is a number that completely identifies with God’s wrath, thus signifying God’s perfect wrath on the unsaved? (p. 61-62).


By Camping’s understanding, the Bible was dictated by God and every word and number carries a spiritual significance. He noticed that particular numbers appeared in the Bible at the same time particular themes are discussed.

The number 5, Camping concluded, equals “atonement.” Ten is “completeness.” Seventeen means “heaven.” Camping patiently explained how he reached his conclusion for May 21, 2011.

“Christ hung on the cross April 1, 33 A.D.,” he began. “Now go to April 1 of 2011 A.D., and that’s 1,978 years.”

Camping then multiplied 1,978 by 365.2422 days – the number of days in each solar year, not to be confused with a calendar year.

Next, Camping noted that April 1 to May 21 encompasses 51 days. Add 51 to the sum of previous multiplication total, and it equals 722,500.

Camping realized that (5 x 10 x 17) x (5 x 10 x 17) = 722,500.

Or put into words: (Atonement x Completeness x Heaven), squared.

“Five times 10 times 17 is telling you a story,” Camping said. “It’s the story from the time Christ made payment for your sins until you’re completely saved.

“I tell ya, I just about fell off my chair when I realized that,” Camping said…

Rick LaCasse, who attended the September 1994 service in Alameda, said that 15 years later, his faith in Camping has only strengthened.

“Evidently, he was wrong,” LaCasse allowed, “but this time it is going to happen. There was some doubt last time, but we didn’t have any proofs. This time we do.”

Would his opinion of Camping change if May 21, 2011, ended without incident?


14 posted on 08/27/2010 8:27:17 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: svcw
The good news is that we won't have to deal with that pesky 2012 Mayan calendar apocalypse.

Actually that pesky 2012 Mayan calendar aligns quite nicely with Revelations!

An Apocalypse (Greek: Ἀποκάλυψις Apokálypsis; "lifting of the veil" or "revelation") is a disclosure of something hidden from the majority of mankind in an...

IMO, We are about to witness a new beginning here on Earth. We first have to get through the next 5-1/2 years of tribulation.

15 posted on 08/27/2010 8:28:16 AM PDT by Errant
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To: SeekAndFind
I love Harold Camping! I torture my kids by putting him on the television and leaving him there while they moan and groan.

He's about 167 years old and rambles on in a droning monotone about nonsense. He makes the children cry when they want to watch Spongebob. It's fun!

16 posted on 08/27/2010 8:31:22 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Con artists come in all shapes and sizes.

Camping is a dirty old man end-times Bernie Madoff.

Leni

17 posted on 08/27/2010 8:31:25 AM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: dartuser

RE: I would be happy to give the computations a fair shake despite my bias going in.

Want to see how Camping does it ? You have to read his book.

Here’s a sample :

“Christ hung on the cross April 1, 33 A.D.,” he began. “Now go to April 1 of 2011 A.D., and that’s 1,978 years.”

Camping then multiplied 1,978 by 365.2422 days – the number of days in each solar year, not to be confused with a calendar year.

Next, Camping noted that April 1 to May 21 encompasses 51 days. Add 51 to the sum of previous multiplication total, and it equals 722,500.

Camping realized that (5 x 10 x 17) x (5 x 10 x 17) = 722,500.

Or put into words: (Atonement x Completeness x Heaven), squared.

“Five times 10 times 17 is telling you a story,” Camping said. “It’s the story from the time Christ made payment for your sins until you’re completely saved.

For one historical point that should be of interest , the crucifixion was a couple of years earlier than that, hence the “rapture” according to Harold Camping’s “1,978 years logic” should have been no later than May of 2009 (33 A.D. for the crucifixion year has been eliminated by most serious biblical scholars). His followers should take the time and look at what the Bible does and does not teach–as it does not teaching many of the calculations that he is teachings.

Notice the basis for the 1,978 years according to Harold Camping:

1978 = 2 x 23 x 43
Number 2 symbolizes those who are to bring the Gospel.
Number 23 symbolizes wrath
Number 43 symbolizes judgment

Thus, by the number 1,978, God is emphasizing that judgment will fall on those who had been commissioned to bring the Gospel (2) and are still subject to the wrath of God (23 and 43). (We are Almost There!, p. 64)


18 posted on 08/27/2010 8:33:14 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
We also have learned that the last day of the earth’s existence, October 21, 2011

I sure hope he's wrong. USC is scheduled to play Notre Dame in South Bend the next day.

19 posted on 08/27/2010 8:34:05 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: dead
I love Harold Camping! I torture my kids by putting him on the television and leaving him there while they moan and groan


HAROLD EGBERT CAMPING for those who can stand his show.
20 posted on 08/27/2010 8:35:18 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Why wait? Let’s get to it now. Islam has taken over all the TV networks, Hollywood and the U.S. govt.

Meanwhile drooling idiots who watch TV now support Islam with their viewership and monthly cable/sat TV bills and support our own Allah with his 9 iron.

Bring it on God.


21 posted on 08/27/2010 8:35:42 AM PDT by Frantzie (Imam Ob*m* & Democrats support the VICTORY MOSQUE & TV supports Imam)
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To: SeekAndFind

Hopefully, it will be sooner. Christians pray every day, “Even so, come quickly, Lord Jesus.”


22 posted on 08/27/2010 8:35:49 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: SeekAndFind

He’s about 1000 times more animated in that photo than he is on TV. I think he gets taxidermied each time before he goes on the air. He’s the best!


23 posted on 08/27/2010 8:37:10 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Dr Turi an astrologist had predicted a major disaster on the 25th of August, and?? ;-)
24 posted on 08/27/2010 8:37:31 AM PDT by stumptalker
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To: kittymyrib

You can make it happen for yourself at any time.


25 posted on 08/27/2010 8:37:38 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: SeekAndFind
I hope he is right. It will happen sometime and May 21, 2011 is as good a time as any. One thing of which I am certain is that it will occur...God always keeps his promises.
26 posted on 08/27/2010 8:37:47 AM PDT by Russ (Repeal the 17th amendment)
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To: SeekAndFind

it’s not like it’s the end of the world and all... oh wait... nevermind.

everyday i awake expecting the end... does that mean it will not happen... no... it’ll come sometime... but not this week.

teeman


27 posted on 08/27/2010 8:40:31 AM PDT by teeman8r (NO vember is coming... vote them out)
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To: SeekAndFind

OK, where is the bookie covering the bets on this??


28 posted on 08/27/2010 8:43:27 AM PDT by Bringbackthedraft (Put Alan West on the fast track, to the White House! Kick a$$ in 2010 and 12)
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To: SeekAndFind

Temporal lobe epilepsy sometimes gives people this kind of delusion.


29 posted on 08/27/2010 8:43:59 AM PDT by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order)
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To: SeekAndFind

I listen to Harold Camping’s “Family Radio” for the music. In an age when electric guitar players are driving organists out of churches and choirs are being replaced by “praise bands,” I am grateful for a radio program that emphasizes traditional hymns and gospel songs.


30 posted on 08/27/2010 8:47:00 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: Fiji Hill
I listen to Harold Camping’s “Family Radio” for the music

Yes, if you want good, traditional Christian music and hymns, you can't find any other radio station that provides it for you than FAMILY RADIO.

However, the moment Harold Camping comes on, I change the station.
31 posted on 08/27/2010 8:48:52 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

He forgot to add in the fudge factor of 1000 years of Christ’s direct reign upon the Earth as predicted from the book of Revelation when calculating his end of Earth date of 10/21/11.(sarcasm on)


32 posted on 08/27/2010 8:49:24 AM PDT by mdmathis6 (Mike Mathis is my name,opinions are my own,subject to flaming when deserved!)
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To: SeekAndFind

this guy is an idiot


33 posted on 08/27/2010 8:49:46 AM PDT by RaceBannon (RON PAUL: THE PARTY OF TRUTHERS, TRAITORS AND UFO CHASERS!!!)
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To: SeekAndFind
Christian radio host Harold Camping says Jesus is coming back in nine months: May 21, 2011. Then the world will end, according to his calculations, on October 21, 2011. He's been announcing this on his Family Radio broadcasts for several years.

Harold Camping seems extremely ignorant of the Holy Word of G-d.

Yah'shua offered himself as our Pesach Lamb on Passover,
Yah'shua died for all sin on the day the leaven is removed on hagMatzoh,
Yah'shua rose from the dead on the feast of First Fruits and
sent the Ruach Ha Kodesh to breath on His apostles on the Feast of Weeks.

The fall feasts begin with a forty day period of 'Teshuvah ', which means "to repent or return"
It begins in the sixth month of the Religious Calendar, and concludes on
the tenth day of the seventh month, which is Yom Kippur, the Day of Atonement.
Each morning for thirty days in the synagogue following the morning prayers, a trumpet (shofar) is blown

This leaves Yom Teruah ("the day of the awakening blast") also known as Rosh Hashanah
the feast of Trumpets with it's final trump
Ten days later Yom Kippur the day the High Priest entered the Holy of Holies, Cleansing of the people's sins,
Succoth, the day when we enter our temporary dwellings
and the final gathering after the seven days of the feast of Booths.

It is curious that of all these feasts the only one for which
the hour and day are not known is YomTeruah when the final trump is blown

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
34 posted on 08/27/2010 8:51:54 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: La Lydia
“But of that day and hour no one knoweth, not the angels of heaven, but the Father alone.”

But He also gave us signs to watch for so that, when the time nears, we will sense its imminence.

Mat 25:13 -- Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

35 posted on 08/27/2010 8:54:00 AM PDT by SonOfDarkSkies
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To: SeekAndFind

Wait, so I have to buy my wife a Mother’s Day present, but she doesn’t have to buy me a Father’s Day gift?! That ain’t right!


36 posted on 08/27/2010 9:04:12 AM PDT by tnlibertarian
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To: SeekAndFind
The 19th of May, 1780, has gone down in New England history as "The Dark Day". Candles were lighted in many houses; the birds were silent and disappeared, and the fowls retired to roost.

The legislature of Connecticut was then in session at Hartford. A very general opinion prevailed, that the day of judgment was at hand. A proposal to adjourn the Council was under consideration.

When the opinion of Colonel Davenport was asked, he answered, "I am against an adjournment. The day of judgment is either approaching, or it is not. If it is not, there is no cause of an adjournment: if it is, I choose to be found doing my duty. I wish therefore that candles may be brought."

37 posted on 08/27/2010 9:05:35 AM PDT by Notary Sojac ("Goldman Sachs" is to "US economy" as "lamprey" is to "lake trout")
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To: SeekAndFind

For those who have been raised on the Scofield, Moody, Dallas Seminary dispensatonalism, it’s easy to fall prey to this kind of calculation.


38 posted on 08/27/2010 9:06:00 AM PDT by norge (The amiable dunce is back, wearing a skirt and high heels.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I didn’t think anyone could beat Louie Farrakhan’s knack for math, but this guy Camping may change my mind.


39 posted on 08/27/2010 9:10:41 AM PDT by Notary Sojac ("Goldman Sachs" is to "US economy" as "lamprey" is to "lake trout")
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To: SeekAndFind
Hmm ... lots of unverifiable assumptions in there. I didn't expect anything less. Its a crock.
40 posted on 08/27/2010 9:17:11 AM PDT by dartuser ("Palin 2012 ... nothing else will do.")
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To: dead

I prefer Spongebob! He makes more sense! LOL!


41 posted on 08/27/2010 9:18:22 AM PDT by left that other site
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To: dead

Camping, the original Cryptkeeper.


42 posted on 08/27/2010 9:32:12 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: SeekAndFind

“We also have learned that the last day of the earth’s existence, October 21, 2011”

That’s the comment that shows that there is no way he is correct. He must have not read the entire Bible or something. The earth is not going to be destroyed. He forgot to read about the 1000 yr reign.

Besides, the rapture is going to be during Rosh Hoshana, Duh.


43 posted on 08/27/2010 9:34:17 AM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: Errant

“We first have to get through the next 5-1/2 years of tribulation.”

Are you saying we are already in the Tribulation?


44 posted on 08/27/2010 9:36:05 AM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: SeekAndFind

Then I guess we know when He won’t come back....


45 posted on 08/27/2010 9:39:10 AM PDT by truthandlife ("Some trust in chariots and some in horses, but we trust in the name of the LORD our God." (Ps 20:7))
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To: CynicalBear
Besides, the rapture is going to be during Rosh Hoshana, Duh.

Can you educate us as to where in the Bible it says so ?
46 posted on 08/27/2010 9:39:31 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: CynicalBear
Are you saying we are already in the Tribulation?

Duh!

;)

47 posted on 08/27/2010 9:40:17 AM PDT by Errant
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To: SeekAndFind

Mr. Camping should demand a refund from whomever sold him his Bible. Clearly it did not include Matthew 24:36 or Mark 13:32.


48 posted on 08/27/2010 9:43:51 AM PDT by Above My Pay Grade
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To: Errant
-;)- :-(
49 posted on 08/27/2010 9:44:29 AM PDT by Errant
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To: Errant

I was serious with that question. The tribulations is to be 7 years so I was wondering why you said 5 ½ .


50 posted on 08/27/2010 9:46:03 AM PDT by CynicalBear
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