Posted on 10/26/2010 5:17:20 AM PDT by Colofornian
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...Joseph Smith warned of the consequences when we fail to use the temples available to us: “Those Saints who neglect [temple work] in behalf of their deceased relatives, do it at the peril of their own salvation.”
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A key function of temples is to perform ordinance work for our deceased ancestors. When we think of temple ordinances and the necessity to do them perfectly, without error...
“… For their salvation is necessary and essential to our salvation...they without us cannot be made perfect—neither can we without our dead be made perfect” (D&C 128:5, 15;...).
Consider the...vision of President Joseph F. Smith...:
“Thus was the gospel preached to those who had died in their sins...having rejected the prophets.
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The Lord revealed through... Joseph: “All covenants, contracts, bonds, obligations, oaths, vows, performances, connections, associations, or expectations, that are not made and entered into and sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, of him who is anointed, both as well for time and for all eternity, … through the medium of mine anointed, whom I have appointed on the earth to hold this power … are of no efficacy, virtue, or force in and after the resurrection from the dead; for all contracts that are not made unto this end have an end when men are dead” (D&C 132:7).
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...One of the great privileges we have is the wearing of the garment...
...The garment, … when properly worn, will serve as a protection against temptation and evil.
“It is expected that members will wear the garment both night and day...Members should not adjust the garment or wear it contrary to instructions in order to accommodate different styles of clothing...The garment should not be removed for activities which might reasonably be done with the garment worn beneath the clothing...
(Excerpt) Read more at new.lds.org ...
Ooops. Forgot.
I will light some incense as well.
I wouldn't expect it to be common.
However, I have heard it brought up. So what. Non-issue.
C'mon, PD. Think.
Who or what gets the glory when you stand up at a testimony meetin' & say, "My undergarment saved me yesterday." ?????
(I mean, even startin' off a testimony in such a way would prompt some eyebrow-raisin')
Certainly Christ gets no glory in that!
When the apostle Paul used the word picture of how a soldier is dressed out in Eph.6, truth that is sourced beyond us or anything we wear gets the glory. (Paul said: "even then having your loins girt about with truth" Eph. 6:14)
Bottom line: Does the garb get the glory, or the Living Truth (John 14:6), the One who is our Living Revelation?
I wouldn't expect it to be common.
However, I have heard it brought up. So what. Non-issue.
C'mon, PD. Think.
Who or what gets the glory when you stand up at a testimony meetin' & say, "My undergarment saved me yesterday." ?????
(I mean, even startin' off a testimony in such a way would prompt some eyebrow-raisin')
Certainly Christ gets no glory in that!
When the apostle Paul used the word picture of how a soldier is dressed out in Eph.6, truth that is sourced beyond us or anything we wear gets the glory. (Paul said: "even then having your loins girt about with truth" Eph. 6:14)
Bottom line: Does the garb get the glory, or the Living Truth (John 14:6), the One who is our Living Revelation?
It is called marketing.
"Christian" carries strong brand recognition especailly in the newer overseas markets the LDS is having to tap due to the well running dry in the States.
The most powerful deity in the Latter Day Saints is the PR department.
Even their god bends to its will...
Cmon Colo. Think. If our Heavenly Father gave us the commandment and we are blessed by obeying, then who gets the thanks and the glory? I seriously doubt that you actually believe that we worship any objects whatsoever.
Non-issue. Blown up to be a hollywood spectacle for YOUR purposes. Shameful.
I wouldn’t want to say you are wrong but your insistence as part of your doctrine says all others are wrong and worshiping in a state of apostasy.
You then tell us you are the only perfect religion on earth and one is left wondering “uhm what?”
I guess I don’t blame you. If we are not “Whores of Babylon and Apostates” there is no restoration and therefore no LDS.
Guess that’s your winning strategy though, historically and even today to call everyone else names and then pretend it was never said.
And I am left wondering “why would I want to belong to any faith that considers itself to be the one perfect religion on earth” and further that I can only get into heaven if Joseph Smith inspects my passport and finds me worthy to enter heaven.
What happened to the other guy that had that had that responsibility?
If God says “There is none worthy, no not one”, why would I want to bother with trying to work my way to heaven.
Why would I want to aspire to become a god? Didn’t work out to well for Satan and if God is “...A jealous God” and “thou shalt have no others before me” shouldn’t I presume things aren’t going to workout to well me?
It’s fine by me if you believe those things but I am not willing to take a chance.
All hail the power of Jesus name, let angels prostate fall....
With Joe Smith’s approval of course ;-)
(whew doggies)
I am not sure I understand. As a Mason, I can see where you got the idea of underwear and carried it to a maxim but it is a symbol and correct me if I am wrong, wearing it is part of your works of worthiness and a banner shield to protect you.
Similar to Catholics carrying symbols of their saints or the cross.
I mean, not really the same but like that.
I wouldn’t want to say you are wrong but your insistence as part of your doctrine says all others are wrong and worshiping in a state of apostasy.
We didn’t say it. God did. I guess he didn’t mind that you might be offended. He’d rather you listen up.
God spoke through whom, where, at what time ... and it’s not in the BofM, so we are all ears to know whom the Mormon god spoke through/to.
Uh...I think black sheep was Joe Smith's first preference. (Ya know...not only a word picture within the family of religion...but also historically true...see below)
Hey, perhaps the "living Mormon 'prophet'" could be approached to see if he does things the way Joe Smith did.
Janis Hutchinson is an ex-Mormon. And her research shows the following on Smith's animal sacrifices:
Joseph’s Participation in Animal Sacrifice
Animal sacrifice was part of the treasure divining business. At that time, it was understood that there were both good and bad spirits guarding treasures. According to magic books, “white animals [were] sacrificed to the good Spirits and black to the evil.” Therefore, Smith procured a black sheep for one occasion, claiming it was the only way to appease the evil spirit of a particular treasure. They were to cut its throat and lead it around in a circle while bleeding. Smith even sacrificed a dog on one occasion. Mr. Stafford, the owner of the sheep, was later asked by M. Wilford Poulson, if Smith stole a black sheep from him. Stafford’s response was: No, not exactly . . . he did miss a black sheep, but soon Joseph came and admitted he took it for sacrifice but he was willing to work for it. He made wooden sap buckets to fully pay for it.
A nephew of William Stafford testified: Jo Smith, the prophet, told my uncle, William Stafford, he wanted a fat, black sheep. He said he wanted to cut its throat and make it walk in a circle three times around and it would prevent a pot of money from leaving.
JOSEPH’S OCCULT PRACTICES USED IN HIS CHURCH AND TEMPLE CEREMONY
In addition to Smith’s peep stones and divining rods, he also carried animal sacrifice into his new religion. For example, he refused to let Willard Richards be ordained an apostle unless a lamb was first slaughtered and sacrificed in the temple. Joseph soon incorporated animal sacrifice into his new priesthood. He stated: It is generally supposed that sacrifice was entirely done away when the Great Sacrifice [i.e.] the sacrifice of the Lord Jesus was offered up, and that there will be no necessity for the ordinance of sacrifice in [sic] future; but those who assert this are certainly not acquainted with the duties, privileges and authority of the Priesthood, or with the Prophets. . . . These sacrifices as well as every ordinance belonging to the Priesthood, will, when the Temple of the Lord shall be built, and the sons of Levi be purified, be fully restored and attended to in all their powers, ramifications, and blessings. . . . It is not to be understood that the law of Moses will be established again with all its rites and variety of ceremonies; this has never been spoken of by the prophets; but those things which existed prior to Moses’ day, namely, sacrifice, will be continued.
Source: Janis Hutchinson, JOSEPH SMITH’S INVOLVEMENT WITH MAGIC, MASONRY, AND THE OCCULT
For a link to a discussion of this article, you can go to: FR discussion on Joseph Smith's involvement with Magic, Masonry, and the Occult MAGIC, MASONRY, AND THE OCCULT
Are you already a Mormon?
Thanks for your response. I still don’t understand.
What was the purpose of Christ’s 3 day fight for our souls if not give us salvation through redemption and now LDS says there is more and it wasn’t enough?
And I do understand your belief God says LDS is required but LDS picks and chooses which parts of he Bible to stand on, while casting other parts of it aside.
How am I to know only LDS is correct and perfect.
BTW, I am approaching from only investigating LDS over the last two years after hearing a friend of 20 years tell me “Some religions are more perfect than others”. Shocking as I never heard another Christian say something like that and I don’t know how man could be in a position to assess “a system” is better than all others.
I mean, it wouldn’t be any different than saying Methodists are the only true religion and you work your way to heaven, which of course is a complete misnomer.
Or that Catholicism is the one true church or the works of Calvin, Williams or that German guy and his dissertations.
Yet you rely on the very same Gospels and read from the KJV as many Christians do.
But we are not Christians and now you are?
How can you now be Christians when for 150 years LDS railed against Christianity. I won’t bore you with the quotes, you have read them here.
Moreover, what was the problem specifically with Presbyterians, who we also consider Christians?
Thanks.
Well put original Q.
To answer your Q, Vendome..re: Whbat happened to the Other Guy that had that responsibility?
Well, not only did you hit it on the head about pointing out that Smith was the usurper -- the "passport...inspecter"...what I would call "Consent Central"...but per Mitt Romney's father's cousin, Marion G. Rommey, First Counselor to a few Lds "prophets" in the 60s, Smith apparently handed the Other Guy's responsibility to the Mormon church:
"This Church is the ensign on the mountain spoken of by the Old Testament prophets. It is the way, the truth, and the life" (Conference Report, April, 1961, p. 119)]
Utter idolatry! Jesus Christ alone qualifies as the object of faith -- He Himself constitute "the Way, the truth, and the life. NO man comes to the Father, but by me." (John 14:6)
Undecided readers,
Whenever you see a church -- any church -- insert themselves into a role that's left for Jesus Christ alone...run...sprint! Your soul may be at stake!
LOL!!!
You’re kidding?
It was an Old Testament Joke.
I did not know that.
Momron taqiyya in action: “I understand that you believe we are wrong. I used to believe that fervently myself.”
God spoke. Through his Son Jesus Christ. Our Savior.
Why are you pretending to not know what I am talking about? Previous threads say otherwise. The first vision is common knowledge amongst all church members and anti-Mormons as well.
http://scriptures.lds.org/en/js_h/1
Lurkers, read this account. It really happened. Find out the truth for yourself.
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