Posted on 10/31/2010 11:59:22 AM PDT by RnMomof7
In Christ Alone lyrics
Songwriters: Getty, Julian Keith; Townend, Stuart Richard;
In Christ alone my hope is found He is my light, my strength, my song This Cornerstone, this solid ground Firm through the fiercest drought and storm
What heights of love, what depths of peace When fears are stilled, when strivings cease My Comforter, my All in All Here in the love of Christ I stand
In Christ alone, who took on flesh Fullness of God in helpless Babe This gift of love and righteousness Scorned by the ones He came to save
?Til on that cross as Jesus died The wrath of God was satisfied For every sin on Him was laid Here in the death of Christ I live, I live
There in the ground His body lay Light of the world by darkness slain Then bursting forth in glorious Day Up from the grave He rose again
And as He stands in victory Sin?s curse has lost its grip on me For I am His and He is mine Bought with the precious blood of Christ
The oldest excuse in the book.
“”I can only assume that the comparisons to dualism, Islam, and Manichaeism are founded in misperceptions that Calvinism stands for a God who is both evil and good””
There is no misconceptions,fk. Calvin’s belief in double predestination is a dualistic God
FK-””That is why I used the phrase “glorifying the merit of man”. If getting into Heaven is the name of the game, then it cannot be accomplished without the key ingredient of man’s merit.””
Perhaps you don’t understand what the Church teaches regarding merit
From the Catechism...
MERIT
http://www.vatican.va/archive/catechism/p3s1c3a2.htm
You are glorified in the assembly of your Holy Ones, for in crowning their merits you are crowning your own gifts.59
2006 The term “merit” refers in general to the recompense owed by a community or a society for the action of one of its members, experienced either as beneficial or harmful, deserving reward or punishment. Merit is relative to the virtue of justice, in conformity with the principle of equality which governs it.
2007 With regard to God, there is no strict right to any merit on the part of man. Between God and us there is an immeasurable inequality, for we have received everything from him, our Creator.
2008 The merit of man before God in the Christian life arises from the fact that God has freely chosen to associate man with the work of his grace. The fatherly action of God is first on his own initiative, and then follows man’s free acting through his collaboration, so that the merit of good works is to be attributed in the first place to the grace of God, then to the faithful. Man’s merit, moreover, itself is due to God, for his good actions proceed in Christ, from the predispositions and assistance given by the Holy Spirit.
2009 Filial adoption, in making us partakers by grace in the divine nature, can bestow true merit on us as a result of God’s gratuitous justice. This is our right by grace, the full right of love, making us “co-heirs” with Christ and worthy of obtaining “the promised inheritance of eternal life.”60 The merits of our good works are gifts of the divine goodness.61 “Grace has gone before us; now we are given what is due. . . . Our merits are God’s gifts.”62
2010 Since the initiative belongs to God in the order of grace, no one can merit the initial grace of forgiveness and justification, at the beginning of conversion. Moved by the Holy Spirit and by charity, we can then merit for ourselves and for others the graces needed for our sanctification, for the increase of grace and charity, and for the attainment of eternal life. Even temporal goods like health and friendship can be merited in accordance with God’s wisdom. These graces and goods are the object of Christian prayer. Prayer attends to the grace we need for meritorious actions.
2011 The charity of Christ is the source in us of all our merits before God. Grace, by uniting us to Christ in active love, ensures the supernatural quality of our acts and consequently their merit before God and before men. The saints have always had a lively awareness that their merits were pure grace.
After earth’s exile, I hope to go and enjoy you in the fatherland, but I do not want to lay up merits for heaven. I want to work for your love alone. . . . In the evening of this life, I shall appear before you with empty hands, for I do not ask you, Lord, to count my works. All our justice is blemished in your eyes. I wish, then, to be clothed in your own justice and to receive from your love the eternal possession of yourself.63
O divine Lord, how shall I dare to approach you, I who have so often offended you? No, Lord, I am not worthy that you should enter under my roof; but speak only the word and my soul shall be healed.
I think a better case could be made that the Calvinist God is a throwback to a tribal god (as I suppose you could say the Muslim God is).
Thank you for the act of humility,it's beautiful
I have a very uneasy feeling about the state of the world right now-let us all reflect on what you just posted
Amen!
Father preached today on the very catholic virtue of hope. With that in mind:
O my God!
Who hast graciously promised every blessing,
even Heaven itself,
through Jesus Christ,
to those who keep Thy commandments;
relying on Thine infinite power,
goodness and mercy,
and confiding in Thy sacred promises,
to which Thou art always faithful,
I confidently hope to obtain pardon of all my sins;
grace to serve Thee faithfully in this life,
by doing the good works Thou hast commanded,
and which,
with Thine assistance,
I now purpose to perform,
and eternal happiness in the next,
through my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
Amen.
Thank you,dear Narses
O Lord my God, I know that I am not worthy nor sufficient that thou shouldest enter under my roof into the habitation of my soul, for it is all deserted and in ruins, and thou hast not a fitting place in me to lay thy head. But as from the heights of thy glory thou didst humble thyself, so now bear me in my humility; as thou didst deign to lie in a manger in a cave, so deign now also to come into the manger of my mute soul and corrupt body. As thou didst not refrain from entering into the house of Simon the leper, or shrink from eating there with sinners, so also vouchsafe to enter the house of my poor soul, all leprous and full of sin. Thou didst not reject the sinful woman who ventured to draw near to touch thee, so also have pity on me, a sinner, approaching to touch thee. And grant that I may partake of thine All-holy Body and Precious Blood for the sanctification, enlightenment and strengthening of my weak soul and body; for the relief from the burden of my many sins; for my preservation against all the snares of the devil; for victory over all my sinful and evil habits; for the mortification of my passions; for obedience to thy Commandments; for growth in thy divine Grace and for the inheritance of thy Kingdom. For it is not with careless heart that I approach thee, O Christ my God, but I come trusting in thine infinite goodness, and fearing lest I may be drawn afar from thee and become the prey of the wolf of souls. Wherefore I pray thee, O Master, who alone art holy, that thou wouldest sanctify my soul and body, my mind and heart and reins, and renew me entirely. Implant in my members the fear of thee, be thou my helper and guide, directing my life in the paths of peace, and make me worthy to stand at thy right hand with thy Saints; through the prayers and intercessions of thine immaculate Mother, of thy Bodiless Servitors, of the immaculate Powers, and of all the Saints who from all ages have been well-pleasing unto thee. Amen.
CHRISTUS VINCIT
Christ King of Glory
Acclamations VIII Cent.
Ambrosian Chant (Variant)
Christus vincit! Christus regnat! Christus imperat!
Exaudi, Christe. Ecclesiae Sanctae Dei salus perpetua. Redemptor mundi, Tu illam
adjuva!
Christ Lord of glory, Christ Prince of nations, Christ our King of kings! Christ Jesus,
hear us. Perpetual safety and welfare to the Church of God. Redeemer, Savior. Assist
and strengthen her.
1. Sancta Maria: Tu illam adjuva!
O Mary blessed Mother. Assist and strengthen her.
2. Sancte Joseph: Tu illam adjuva!
Joseph holy guardian. Assist and strengthen her.
3. Sancte Michael Tu illam adjuva!
Blessed Michael patron Assist and strengthen her.
Optional (Sancte Patricii: Tu illam adjuva!)
Blessed Saint Patrick: Assist and strengthen her.
All repeat: Christus vincit! Christus regnat! Christus imperat!
Exaudi, Christe. Pio summo Pontifici et universali Papae vita! Salvator mundi, Tu illum
adjuva!
Christ Jesus hear us. Life and health and blessings to Pope Pius our Holy Father.
Redeemer Savior, Assist and strengthen him.
1. Sancte Petre, Tu illum adjuva! 1. Rex regum!
Blessed Peter, Assist and strengthen him. King of kings.
2. Sancte Paule, Tu illum adjuva! 2. Rex noster!
Blessed Paul, assist and strengthen him. Christ our King
3. Spes nostra!
Christ our hope.
Repeat: Christus Vincit! etc.
Gloria nostra, Misericordia nostra! Auxilium nostrum! Fortitudo nostra, Ar ma nostra
invictissima! Murus noster inexpugnabilis! Defensio et exaltatio nostra!
Lux, Via, et Vita nostra! Ipsi soli imperium, Laus et jubilatio per infinita saecula
saeculorum. Amen.
Jesus our glory, Fountain of grace and all mercy. Source of all our blessing. Defender
in battle, Strong arm of our God invincible. Our stronghold and our exaltation. Our
captain leader who has won our salvation.
Christ Jesus, our life and light eternal. To Him only is victory all praise and jubilation.
Through all the endless ages of eternity. Amen.
Tempora bona veniant! Pax Christi veniat! Redemptis Sanguine Christi: Feliciter!
Regnum Christi veniat! Deo Gratias! Amen.
Abundance of good things be ours. The peace of Christ be ours. Redeemed by the blood
of Jesus. Proclaim our joy. May His holy kingdom come. Praise be to our God Amen.
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Thank you dear brother.
O my divine Jesus, how shall I return you thanks for the goodness in giving yourself to me? The only way I can repay your love is by loving you in return. Yes, my Lord, I love you, and I desire to love you all my life.
My Jesus, you alone are sufficient for me. Whom shall I love, if I love not you, my Jesus? You love those who love you. I love you. Oh, do you also love me. If I love you but little, give me the love which you require of me.
O Mary, my good Mother, and you glorious Saint Joseph, lend me your love wherewith to love my Jesus.
That is beautiful,thank you
“Humility, humility and always humility. Satan fears and trembles before humble souls. The Lord is willing to do great things but on condition that we are truly humble”
- St. Pio of Pietrelcina
It was meant to be in fun, it wasn’t intended to hurt. If it did so, I apologize. There is no mask, the true me has never been hidden, and I think you know it.
But it all comes down to the idea that the Church wrote, edited and chose all of the NT; and also chose the OT Scripture that fit its purposes. Either you accept the Church or you do not. If you do not, then you cannot accept the Canon. If you do, then you cannot reject anything else it has pronounced.
But as I was just showering, I was thinking, you know maybe what bothers people like him is the idea that they ARE lost and they just hate it when others say so, even, apparently, in joking. Jesus said, "Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son." (John 3:18). Whoever does not believe that Jesus is God in the flesh is lost. Jesus said, "I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins." (John 8:24). We are also told this about those who deny the truth about Jesus:
I John 4:1-3
Beloved, believe not every spirit, but prove the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: and every spirit that confesseth not Jesus is not of God: and this is the spirit of the antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it cometh; and now it is in the world already.
But the GOOD NEWS, the GOSPEL, is:
Luke 19:10
For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.
So as long as a person has breath, it is never too late.
Totally false, roaring rhetoric and simply an inane stab at trying to assert something you want others to think is true. Anyone with a semblance of intellect can see your "evidence" is clear as mud. Have we gone from the provably untrue number of 30K+ to "millions" now? Why should anyone take anything you say seriously with this kind of comment?
You say in this post, "I have never trashed Scripture" and in the same one you continue to cast doubt that anybody can have a true version of the Word of God. Because of this very distrust you have of it, you choose to, instead of reading it yourself and allowing God to illuminate the truth to you, turn that power over to your "magesterium" to do your reading and interpreting. How is it you can trust demonstrably fallible men to tell you what you can believe about God's revelation to man but in the same breath disparage the very word they are interpreting to you? Where are they supposed to get the truth in the first place if not the Bible??? Sad.
How does either differ from the OT God?
Oh sure such as John 3:9. The born again do not sin, to which some say "as a habit." Oh, really? Every religion claims some transformative effects as a "sign" of its authenticity.
By the way, my referencer to john 3:9 was being sarcastic. You reference some person by the name Cryle (apparently a 19th century nut) who says (I quote from the page you referenced):
What reference to john 3:9 are you taking about? You are the only one that referenced that, and wrongly so, rather than 1Jn. 3:9
You don't remember your post 5537, referencing transformative effects? Just scroll down (about five short paragraphs) where it says "First of all, John says, 'Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin;' and again, 'Whosoever is born of God sinneth not.' - John 3:9; 5:18." That is your own reference.
Sorry for whatever neglect on my part. I had searched and found no Cryle or text reference to - John 3:9; 5:18 from me, and the link was in indistinguishable green text in my original in My Comments, but searching all of FR today i found a post of the same page from 2001 (but not linked), and which has the same mistake, while other copies of it rightly have 1 John 3:9 which was intended.
Also check out the author whom you use as reference but don't even know.
And i presume you did. The name is not Cryle but Ryle, and rather than being a 19th century nut (except perhaps by your standards), he was the first Anglican bishop of Liverpool. He was an athlete who rowed and played Cricket for Oxford, where he took a first class degree in Greats and was offered a college fellowship (teaching position) which he declined. The son of a wealthy banker, he was destined for a career in politics before choosing a path of ordained ministry. He was educated at Eton and at Christ Church, Oxford, where he was Craven Scholar in 1836.
What does inspiration mean? There is only one reference to this Pauline coinage of the word "God-breathed" which can mean any number of things. But, to be "inspired" by something means to be moved or motivated by something, not that it hijacks you and writes with your hand or assures makes sure that you remember things just the way they were.
If it is by the breath of God, working to “move” men by the Holy Spirit, then the key issue is not how it works but that it does, and should not be unduly restricted. Outside the hijack, in writing Scripture God can give a a holy man discernment on the truth of accounts, and inspire by impressing a spiritual man how and what to write down regarding such.
But there is a caveat which affirms otherwise: "If any one saith, that he will for certain, of an absolute and infallible certainty, have that great gift of perseverance unto the end,-unless he have learned this by special revelation; let him be anathema." — Trent.CANON XVI
So, now you favor Church councils over scirpture (Mat 7:12)?
This was in response to your statement, The Church teaches that there is no certainty in faith, just hope. Thus my invocation of what the Roman Catholic teaches is entirely fitting, without my sanctioning her conclusion.
Secondly, the text is Mt. 7:21-23 and as for that versus texts such as 1Jn. 5:13, the former does not state that one cannot know they are saved, nor that one cannot prevent falling, but records that many who did miraculous works will be revealed as having only that as a testimony, versus a faith with works which corresponded to repentance, (Act 26:20) “things that accompany salvation,” (Heb. 6:9) which a tree is known by. (Lk. 6:44) 1Jn. 5:13 describes that faith, in the light of which one may have assurance, contingent upon continued believing, while 2 Peter 1:5-10 prescribes a growing in grace and virtue which secures one against falling, but with the “do” (poieō) again indicating a continuous sense.
Well, if no one's interpretation is infallible, then the truth isn't and cannot be known. End of story. I could have told you that from the beginning.
There was no need to, as that is not the real story.
Says who? You?
Well, the context and reason does, which “story” again was not whether something can be known infallibly, but Rome's assuredly infallible magisterium and its basis.
Such are the typical attempts to discredit the integrity of the Bible
Says the "official truth." Yes, comrade commissar. No criticism allowed. Anything the official truth doesn't approve is "trashing."
Actually that is your attitude, with corrections never acknowledged.
and i would like to expose such allegations of supposed contras as spurious such as i have already done to yours, while many web sites deal with such, as well as the relative few copyist errors in every manuscript of any real import
Self flattery is not very convincing argument, even if ti may make you feel good. And appeal to multitude of "web sites" is likewise not proof of absolute truth either. It's just that zealots write more than ordinary people.
I will let my peers judge. And militant atheists also fit the description you gave , and with easily provoked antagonistic contentious dispositions.
As for personal interpretation, that is an expected reality in every field, and while theology is an extensive one, core truths find almost universal concurrence in Protestantism has a whole
Core truths find acceptance in every human gathering, no matter what the belief.
As does a basic and effectual unity based upon such, while allowing a limited degree of diverse disagreement and discussion.
But as you seem incapable of dealing with the anything related to the Bible and God without ending up in your narrow minded denigrations..why should i give you excuse to express more of the same?
Strike one. This is a predictable evolution of all your attemeptsto debate with me. Two more and this sidiscusison is over.
Kosta50, if anyone’s hold here should be considered tenuous it would be yours.
It is clear that Jesus wanted his message taught by "experts" and not read.
And just where is this clear?
By the fatc that he never told them to write anything but to spread the "good news" by word of mouth (preaching). He didn't tell them to argue theology but to reveal the promise of salvation.
This is one of your retreats into formalism which you have resorted to before. So while the Lord sent them out to preach, he also never told them to ordain elders or maintain buildings and other reasonable things that would be conducive to the permanency of an expanding church, which hopefully their preaching would result in, thus such must also be disallowed. And it cannot be permitted by you that even though writing down revelation from God was the norm, and which Jesus Christ implicitly affirmed, and even though He reproved his unlettered disciples for not for believing what was written in the Scriptures concerning him, (LK. 24:25-27) that He expected them to eventually write down what they had seen and heard, and to promote fluency in the Scriptures.
..and never said that you needed to be an apostle, prophet, or teacher to study the Scriptures, and commended Timothy having known as a child the holy scriptures “which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.” (2Tim. 3:15)
That is Paul, and Paul is no Christ. Chrst never said what Paul said.
That is irrelevant as regards Rome's opposition to private interpretation, which was the issue, as she affirms the opposite of what you oppose.
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