Posted on 10/31/2010 11:59:22 AM PDT by RnMomof7
In Christ Alone lyrics
Songwriters: Getty, Julian Keith; Townend, Stuart Richard;
In Christ alone my hope is found He is my light, my strength, my song This Cornerstone, this solid ground Firm through the fiercest drought and storm
What heights of love, what depths of peace When fears are stilled, when strivings cease My Comforter, my All in All Here in the love of Christ I stand
In Christ alone, who took on flesh Fullness of God in helpless Babe This gift of love and righteousness Scorned by the ones He came to save
?Til on that cross as Jesus died The wrath of God was satisfied For every sin on Him was laid Here in the death of Christ I live, I live
There in the ground His body lay Light of the world by darkness slain Then bursting forth in glorious Day Up from the grave He rose again
And as He stands in victory Sin?s curse has lost its grip on me For I am His and He is mine Bought with the precious blood of Christ
Would you like a peacock?
ph
Naw.
Not at all my style.
Which . . . obviously, y’all seem to know little about.
The Hebrew version says "so that you may do it." And what is the "it " in this case?
It could be said that the "it" is the word of God given through Moses. The verses that follow the instant one give context:
Or, we could say that "doing it" is loving the Lord your God. Paul notes that we love the Lord by faith. Just because that fact isn't emphasized in that particular passage in Deuteronomy doesn't mean that Paul isn't allowed to note it. Paul isn't inventing a new truth that wasn't already there. All those who have EVER loved the Lord have done so by faith.
FK: satan's will is certainly subjugated to God's, as we see at the beginning of Job. But I think whether we should characterize satan as "doing God's will" is a matter of semantics. In one sense "yes" because nothing can overrule God's will and everything that God wills, happens. In another sense, "no" because of course God hates all sin and is the author of none of it.
I hope you realize that this is untenable. If it is merely semantics, then it is insignificant (something like Clinton's "is"), a way to wiggle out of a logical corner. You can't serve two masters, not even the devil. If God is in charge than what's with the final "battle" between the good and evil? A show?
It's tenable because the base statements are insufficiently specific. When you use the phrase "doing God's will" you could legitimately mean very different things since the concept of what constitutes "God's will" is not simple. What you might call my "wiggling" :) is simply my attempt to cover the most likely possibilities all at once. As issues are raised with more specificity, so will my responses be.
And what is not due to God?
"Due to God" could mean different things, so it depends. :)
Do I take it then that your Church gives thanks to God for the tsunamis, the Holocaust, and the like? Do you thank him when someone falls ill or dies? It's funny that I find the Protestant attitude as a direct opposite of showing any delight in being weak, or giving thanks to God for persecutions, insults, and so on.
I agree that very few of us appear to take the literal attitude of Paul in 2 Cor. on this. But one example would be that we often give thanks when an elderly person who is in pain is brought home by God. (We consider physical death to occur at an independently predestined time by God. Our days are numbered by God quite literally.)
Another thing to consider is that while we may not give individual thanks for natural disasters and such, we DO give thanks for God executing His perfect plan, of which natural disasters are a part. So, in a general sense I think we do give thanks for everything including what we commonly perceive as "bad", but maybe not so much on a specific level.
So, when do Reformers celebrate the Andrea Yates Day?
I suppose every time we give thanks to God for being the Alpha and Omega.
FK: I still disagree that everything is God's "doing" just because He wills it.
LOL! Does that include the Bible?
Some things God wills He does, like the Bible, or the Flood. Other things He wills He does not "do", like the betrayal of Jesus and the murders by Andrea Yates. And before anyone jumps on me for saying that God willed Yates' murders :) just consider the following: Did God will the crucifixion, or did the crucifixion thwart God's will, or did He have no opinion about it and accepted it as man gave it to Him?
Yeah, and I plan to keep it that way.
Don't forget.....
"Outside the Church there is no salvation" 846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers?335 Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body: Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.336
Wow...who’d a thunk a typo that I let stand as a little humorous nudge would have stung so much that so many days later it gets brought up again. Did I not apologize for hurting your tender feelings once already? Are these “jokes” now meant for some payback? How old are you?
“But, God forbid if even one turns up their hand(s) towards Heaven!”
Now that’s just silly.
And it’s assuming to pass judgment on a whole crowd of people by how they hold their hands in church.
I actually worship daily in my Catholic Church and I know that—unless you forgot to put a sarc/ tag on this comment—we are NOT looking askance at how our neighbors in the pew about how they are holding their hands during worship.
“...every communicant is pure as the driven snow”.
Really? You’re “positive” that is the case “everytime (sic) during the RC Mass”?
BTW,
IF you were a flag officer . . . you likely came across UFO information.
Perhaps even as an O6.
Anything you can share about such phenomena?
INDEED.
No, you are just telling me stories.
It's not rocket science knowing the blind can't see.
Last time I checked blind faith is a virtue (i.e. blessed are those who believe but did not see...)
What are you concerned about anyone else for?
It has to do with some trying to sell me a story and then sending me to hell if I don't. Other than that I care about other people. I would expect a Christian to understand that. Then, again, maybe not.
Do you enjoy going around checking on who knows The Truth when you don't even know God.
Is that a "crime"? Do you believe everything people say? What does that have to do with "knowing" God?
I'd put that in the asinine category.
You would.
That was SCRIPTURE!
To you. And if it is, it will not be you passing the judgment whom the Lord knows and whom he doesn't. It would be his judgment to make, not yours.
[For two, even when I was a practicing Christian...] Two years a practicing Christian and you didn't know that Scripture.
Did I say for two years? I am afraid your reading comprehension is flawed.
Jesus told us what He will say to those who don't know Him
He didn't say they didn't know him. It's what they didn't do. Besides, he dind' say to which one of us he would say that. You are assuming it would be me but not you. Why? because you say "Lord, Lord?"
You are right. Whether there is no "salvation" outside the Church or Christ, it doesn't matter. Stated as a matter of fact it's just the arrogance of Christianity...not that Christianity stands alone in arrogance.
It can be a comforting belief to some, boatbums—but only when expressed as a sincere personal hope rather than a condemnation of others.
It wasn't a "typo," by your own admission. It was a deliberate play on words with an uncharitable connotation for no other reason except that I don't share your beliefs. It didn't sting, as I said, it merely unmasked a different boatbums I knew on FR until then.
Did I not apologize for hurting your tender feelings once already?
I never asked for apology, and I told you so. To forgive is one thing; to forget is another. I am under no obligation to forget.
Are these “jokes” now meant for some payback?
I don't plan any personal jokes on you, boatbums, so what "payback" are you talking about?
How old are you?
There you go, again...
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