In Christ Alone (Happy reformation day)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExnTlIM5QgE ^ | Getty, Julian Keith; Townend, Stuart Richard;

[RnMomof7]

In Christ Alone lyrics

Songwriters: Getty, Julian Keith; Townend, Stuart Richard;

In Christ alone my hope is found He is my light, my strength, my song This Cornerstone, this solid ground Firm through the fiercest drought and storm

What heights of love, what depths of peace When fears are stilled, when strivings cease My Comforter, my All in All Here in the love of Christ I stand

In Christ alone, who took on flesh Fullness of God in helpless Babe This gift of love and righteousness Scorned by the ones He came to save

?Til on that cross as Jesus died The wrath of God was satisfied For every sin on Him was laid Here in the death of Christ I live, I live

There in the ground His body lay Light of the world by darkness slain Then bursting forth in glorious Day Up from the grave He rose again

And as He stands in victory Sin?s curse has lost its grip on me For I am His and He is mine Bought with the precious blood of Christ

[kosta50]

You chose to interpret that comment in the rudest possible way. That, I DO understand.

Do you? Maybe next time you ought to try saying something like "Sorry for the interruption, now please continue your discussion"? I bet you won't be "misunderstood."

[beezdotcom]

Do you? Maybe next time you ought to try saying something like "Sorry for the interruption, now please continue your discussion"? I bet you won't be "misunderstood."

The only thing I am likely to change is the frequency of my use of any idioms with you. We use it here (work, church and home) all the time, in a mixed military and civilian environment. Nobody yet has taken such umbrage at it.

Perhaps it was because you were already previously agitated in this thread, or perhaps your personal history predisposes you to dislike that idiom. I don't know, but I don't plan to spend a lot of time agonizing what common colloquialism will set off which particular poster in a given thread.

I have duly noted you take that particular expression in one and only one manner. If I deign to again enter a thread where you post, I will do my Christian duty to avoid presenting you with that stumbling block.

[MarkBsnr]

And I'm positive that everytime during the RC Mass, every heart is tuned to only God, every prayer is always heartfelt, every "And unto you" is meant, every "peace be unto you" is earnestly spoken and every communicant is pure as the driven snow. But, God forbid if even one turns up their hand(s) towards Heaven!

This is not about men reaching up to God; it's about mob emotion and waving about like kelp in the current.

[presently no screen name]

Last time I checked blind faith is a virtue (i.e. blessed are those who believe but did not see...)

It's not blind faith for me - I KNOW God who I believe in. And those that don't know God are blinded by their 'own wants' - they NEED to see to believe or have another god. No virtue for anyone not knowing HIM!

It has to do with some trying to sell me a story .

You have it backwards. I'm not selling anything - I was bought with a price - I am saved and go directly to heaven. It's unsettling for some to hear but that's not my problem. I don't live by the dictates of 'man' but rejoice in the Words of my Savior.

and then sending me to hell if I don't

That's liberal speak, blaming others. Liberals don't want to be held accountable for the own decisions. They want what others have but won't do what other do that have it. In this world, we see that happening but not in HIS KINGDOM!! You read the words of Jesus. Those that didn't Know Him; He doesn't know either - they aren't HIS OWN.

Other than that I care about other people. I would expect a Christian to understand that Then, again, maybe not..

Jesus says 'His own' hear and obey. And His own will be with Him for eternity. I would expect a Christian to hear and obey HIS WORDS ALONE and UNDERSTAND that! And we know from His Word, many will not - since only a few enter the narrow gate. So obviously, even 'the religious' along with non believers - have a disobedience problem - they/man know better. Nothing new under the sun.

Is that a "crime"?

Is going to hell a crime?

Do you believe everything people say? What does that have to do with "knowing" God?

My beliefs don't come from 'man', so I could give a flip what people say. It has everything to do with 'knowing' God - because it is HIM I care to KNOW - where ALL TRUTH resides.

I'd put that in the asinine category.......You would.

You got that right! I have my priorities in order - JESUS/HIS WORD is #1.

That was SCRIPTURE! .......To you. And if it is, it will not be you passing the judgment whom the Lord knows and whom he doesn't. It would be his judgment to make, not yours.

So it's not SCRIPTURE to you? I'm not passing judgment - I'm passing HIS WORDS - Words that speak of judgment and apply to everyone! He DID NOT leave us NOT knowing. His disciples spoke of the judgment - you think anyone said 'you are judging me'. LOL! WHO is the JUDGE? HE already told us everything that applies to HIS KINGDOM. And one is - to KNOW Him through HIS WORD and have a relationship with HIM like He did with HIS Father. His own WANT to know HIM more and more and do so through HIS WORD, Who He is.

EARS closed, EYES closed - walk into the pit
HEAR and OBEY - walk on the narrow path to be with HIM here and for eternity.

It's ALL about JESUS - ONLY JESUS!!

[OLD REGGIE]

Where did you get that? The Early Church (pre-Constantine) was far less centralized than the Roman Catholic Church is today, for reasons of being underground for most of its early life and the logisticsl impossibility of robust communication. These were local Churches in obedience to their bishops, and most important Churches were not even the Church in Rome. But they were all Catholic Chruches because they believed the same thing; when one or more Churches deviated in anything doctrinal, an apostle would write the letter to fix the problem, and after the passing on of the Apostles, a figure of inherited apostolic authority would do the correcting, or a Church Council would be held. This was nothing like the Protestant system os self-appointed pastors and divergent doctrines.

The above, while fictional, does not begin to meet the standard set by Lewis Carroll.

You would have no organized Church and no Papacy prior to Constantine. I agree, but you have strayed from the "official" account.

[OLD REGGIE]

Then no rituals, not even waving of the hands, is necessary, no works, not even going to church. I just find it disingenuous when Protestants make fun of Catholics/Orthodox and their "empty rituals", while they themselves wave aimlessly in the air as if saying "I am here!" to an omnipresent omniscient God.

FYI This is a Catholic Mass

[OLD REGGIE]

Excellent post; the Tridentine Mass would fit into your description; the NO Mass is being massaged in the same way that the NT was massaged, to fit the beliefs of the Church, and not vice versa, as the liberals desperately wanted.

The Tridentine Mass was the Novus Ordo of 1570.

[OLD REGGIE]

It's not so much the who. It's the manner. The Catholic Charismatics are not equivalent either in belief or in form to the Pentecostal or other Protestant groups whom one may think of in this fashion. Catholics believe in revenence and homage during worship, not behaving like soccer or rugby crowds.

Are your eyes brown?

Of course Catholic "revenence" (sic) may be a Catholicspeak word which means "wild and crazy guys".

[OLD REGGIE]

When will the Vatican open up the Vatican vaults so that we can see what's in it?

Being a little presumptuous? When is your church going to open its vaults so we can see what's in it? Or you, for that instance? Are you prepared to air all of your own dirty laundry to the world for the amusement and edification of every individual in the world?

Mark is right. Why should the Vatican open it's vaults even in the situation involving Vatican Bank scandals?

Lets ask for something which the Vatican should have no moral or legal opposition to. For instance, the Vatican Archives! After all, the Vatican has nothing to hide.

[MarkBsnr]

The Tridentine Mass was the Novus Ordo of 1570.

Well, kinda sorta.

[MarkBsnr]

Of course Catholic "revenence" (sic) may be a Catholicspeak word which means "wild and crazy guys".

Umm, reverence, of course. I'm not recognizing the two in this photoshopped pic.

[MarkBsnr]

Mark is right. Why should the Vatican open it's vaults even in the situation involving Vatican Bank scandals?

Well, the vault in question is not where the Vatican Bank is located.

Lets ask for something which the Vatican should have no moral or legal opposition to. For instance, the Vatican Archives! After all, the Vatican has nothing to hide.

I was under the impression that they were being slowly opened. Is it the speed to which you object?

I must say that I am very impressed with the state of your teeth - a little yellow around the canines, but appearing to be in very good shape.

[kosta50]

FYI This is a Catholic Mass

Sure, in order to keep Catholics from leaving the Church in huge numbers, the RCC finally gave in to the the mostly Filipino and Latino demands in 2003 to allow this. These people make up 120 million (10%) of Romes' 1.2 billion members.

In America these offshoots come mostly from Notre Dame and Duquesne ultra liberal centers.

None of this changes the fact that this is unrecognizable to the Church in the East or the West, at least from the 3rd century onward, or that it is pagan-like worship.

[kosta50]

The Tridentine Mass was the Novus Ordo of 1570.

LOL! OR you can do better than that. The TLM was the Roman Mass since the end of the 6th century, instituted by Pope St. Gregory I (aka known as the Great). At Trent it was made mandatory (or "ordinary") for all except for some very ancient liturgies, such as the Mozarabic (in Spain), etc.

Prior to TLM, the Latin Church used Alexandrian and Antiochan (Eastern) liturgies. And up to the 3rd century its liturgy was in Greek.

[presently no screen name]

Sure, in order to keep Catholics from leaving the Church in huge numbers,

So they use manipulation to keep members?

In America these offshoots come mostly from Notre Dame and Duquesne ultra liberal centers.

Doubt it. They worship pro abortion 'MAN'. 54% is hardly an offshoot.

[annalex]

The fullness of The Church is found in every single Roman Church diocese

This is a very important thing for our Protestant friends to grasp. The Church is a hierarchy of hierarchies, and each local Episcopacy models the Church Catholic. Further, each local parish models, with some necessary alterations, the Episcopacy, and each house forms the Church Domestic where the man of the house is also the priest of the house.

Each time the question is raised, "why wouldn't the Pope just order X", that is the answer. The bishops are sovereign princes of their dioceses. We are held together by faith kept in common, not by command and control structures.

St. Peter spoke of "living stones built up, a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices" for a reason.

[annalex]

The reference to specifically drinking is apparently due to the circumstance that Jesus asked for a physical drink. From that, a simile is made to the saving water of baptism. The fact remains that there is no instruction to the apostles to drink nor to give out a drink, but there is the instruction to give out Christ’s body and blood under the appearances of bread and wine, and to baptize. Baptism, like the Eucharist, gives everlasting life.

[annalex]

Is it drinking water that brings life or drinking blood? Perhaps some Catholic can enlighten us to this apparent contradiction of the very words of Jesus Himself?

Not drinking water but water baptism. Both sacraments, Baptism and the Eucharist, give everlasting life to these who validly partake of them. There is no contradiction as each means of salvation has its appointed place in the life of a Christian.

[kosta50]

So they use manipulation to keep members?

May it's "strategy"? :)

54% is hardly an offshoot

Where do you find 54%?

[kosta50]

sticky keyboard (too much coffee in it):

May = Maybe