Posted on 11/07/2010 6:51:51 AM PST by pastorbillrandles
Such groups include the Moonies (with a second incarnation), the JWs (recycled Arians), Mormons (we can all be gods, and service a heavenly harem on our equivalent of Kolob), and rabbinic Judaism (the pre-existent son of God did not come in the flesh).
Hey thanks RJR! Jews are a CULT! You grouped us with Moonies! Going to go buy a tambourine tomorrow and head to the airport to raise some cash.........thanks for your time and expertise on this subject.
Nope...Paul was explaining to the Gentiles how God turned to the Gentiles in the Age of Grace...Paul was pointing out how that prophecy in Isaiah was currently being fulfilled; that Israel indeed has been blinded and God will deal with them later...
I understand that is your opinion but nobody before Darby ever recognized the dispensationalist narrative supposedly given by Paul. Correct?
I imagine many, many people recognized it before Darby after getting out of the bondage of your religion and it's private interpretation of the scriptures...
Non Catholic Christianity for 1700 years hasn't accepted your religion as the one true religion so it doesn't bother me at all that your religion still rejects Israel as God's chosen people...
That's strange. Jesus Christ lives today, and you can easily talk to people who have been transformed by our Lord's vibrant, exuberant, and redemptive personality. All of "life, the universe, and everything" can be understood and appreciated when viewed through the lens of this one man's biography. The redeemed of the Lord experience great gladness in knowing that their sins are atoned for, that new birth / new life is possible, that God is present among us today, that the Eternal has intruded into time through Jesus of Nazareth, and continues to do so into our lives through that same Person. Our God is good, He has made Himself known, and life is deeply significant because of Jesus.
Jewish folks do a lot of overcompensating, since the most important event in all of recorded history happened in their back yard, on their watch -- and most of them missed it. Were asleep at the switch. To their eternal loss.
But they don't need to remain outside the party, in the cold with their noses pressed against the plate glass window. They got the first invitation, the first Christians were Jewish, and the invitation is still good. The founding pastor of my church is a Jewish man who got the point, and got with the program.
Come on in, the water's fine! We all (well, almost all of us) wish you well, for this life and for eternity.
So, do you believe today’s Jews are obligated to bring “burnt offerings” today and “forever”?
Christianity is only heretical if practiced by a Jew. Otherwise it is just avodah zarah, worship not commanded by God.
They will finally realize that Jesus was indeed the promised Messiah during the Tribulation period. That is not to say that even today there are Jews who come to the truth and become what are referred to as Messianic Jews. Those who have been “born again” having accepted Jesus as the Messiah. The Nation as a whole, however, have not and will revert and go through the last seven years of the 490 years promised them by God.
OK, that is a indirect way of saying ‘forever’ doesn’t mean ‘forever’ in Christian apologetics. Or perhaps dispensationalism is a forced view in order to have cake and eat it too.
Thanks for that clarification....appreciated and will use it correctly next time...magritte
No, it isn’t. The land still belongs to the Jews. Because of disobedience, God allowed squatters to force the Jews off of the land and to be dispersed “among the nations” until the “the age of the Gentiles be fulfilled”.
As per prophecy, the Jews once again repossessed the land in 1948. The age of the Gentiles will end at which time God will deal solely with the nation of Israel for a period of seven years. Woe unto any nation that comes against the nation of Israel. Read Ezekiel 38-39 and you will see what happens to them.
I really don’t think FreeRepublic is the place for Christian-Jewish dialog of this sort.
Orthodox Jewish people and fundamentalist Christians have a lot in common socially, politically, and even in love of G-d, but there are intractable theological differences, and it serves no reason to bring it up.
Yes, Christians think Jewish people are going to Hell. That’s fine, and most Orthodox Jewish people appreciate the concern for their eternal well being.
On the topic, I think the “cult” slur is novel, and the result of inexact typing, so I don’t take that as an insult.
Now, Reform folks DO think Orthodox and Lubavitchers, in particular, are a cult. If this was coming from them, I accept what they say as an intended insult.
Correction: to the best of my knowledge, that is NOT allowed on FR.
How can you say "nope" without disputing anything I wrote? The fact remains, Paul quoted a well-known passage predicting a "Deliverer" out of "Sion" more than 700 years before the coming of Christ. Such an event has already occurred. Has it not?
Frankly, that is a meaningless observation. There are millions of Mormons who have had a burning in the bosom and have been transformed, stopped doing drugs and alcohol etc. Does that make Mormonism valid? No. Same can be said of Islam. Mormonism, Islam and Christianity are ALL heretical offshoots of Judaism.
G-d is not done with the Jewish people. If you read the prohets, Joel, Zachariah, Ezekiel and Isaiah, the one consistent theme is this. G-d has exiled the Jewish people due to their sin. The Nations have afflicted the Jewish people but have gone way too far. G-d will bring back the Jewish people from the Nations. The Jewish people will be forgiven by G-d, cleansed and the world will be astonshed. The gentile nations will be judged for their abuses. The gentile nations will come to Israel to learn of G-d and the Law and reject the lies they have been taught all along.
That is a synopsis what the Tanakh (OT) teaches.
Or see Obadiah, were the fate of Esau/Edom is foretold. Or Zechariah 14...
Again, nope...
Sure, the deliverer showed up...But NOT as the Deliverer...That won't happen until He shows up again as a roaring Lion...And then, these scriptures will come into play...
Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Isa 9:7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.
Those scriptures dont have anything to do with Jesus. Isaiah 9
And we will only know who the messiah is, AFTER he has accomplished ALL his messianic tasks, not before, not half way, no down payment, after. Otherwise, people will believe in false messiahs.
R. Tovia Singer, as well as other experts in this matter, say that the real messiah will be accepted by most non-Jews with relative ease. To me, however, it seems Christian eschatology has programmed Christians to launch suicidal attacks on the real messiah, viewing him as the anti-Christ. America seems likely to be the real messiah’s biggest opponent.
Yeah, got to wonder. Hopefully they will snap out of it when the messiah denies his divinity.
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