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Apparitions of the Virgin Mary A Protestant Look at a Catholic Phenomenon: Part Two
Christian Research Journal ^ | 1991 | Kenneth R. Samples

Posted on 11/09/2010 4:31:20 PM PST by Gamecock

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To: big'ol_freeper

Since you refuse to do any serious research on this subject I can’t help you.


101 posted on 11/10/2010 8:08:32 PM PST by CatholicTim
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To: CynicalBear
Tertullian and Origen died a heretic. Gave up on the Gnostic angle?

St Cyrl also believed the following:
"Since He Himself has declared and said of the bread: This is My Body, who shall dare to doubt any more? And when He asserts and says: This is My Blood, who shall ever hesitate and say it is not His Blood?" Of the Transformation, he argues, "if Christ could change water into wine, can He not change wine into His own Blood?"

Aside from the fact that your reading of his statement you posted is tortured to the point of being a war crime, if you think he's right on as far as sola scripture goes, how's he doing regarding the real presence?

102 posted on 11/11/2010 3:14:39 PM PST by conservonator (How many times? 70 x 7!)
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To: conservonator

There is non so blind as he who will not see. It will be interesting to see which one of us it is.


103 posted on 11/11/2010 4:15:19 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: Gamecock

Gamecock. To be brief, all your representations about how the Catholic Church regards the Blessed Mother are incorrect.

To briefly respond.

1. Co-mediator/trix. “Co” doesn’t mean equal to. Don’t we ask people to “pray for us”? What are they doing when they do that? Interceding for us. that is what we ask Mary to do. The Bible says we are God’s “CO”-workers. Can’t God do it himself? Yes, but God allows us to do it WITH him. Just like Mary is a mediator WITH (but lesser than) Jesus

2. Queen. John was shown Mary (with a complete body) IN Heaven, wearing a CROWN of 12 stars.

3. “FULL of Grace.” If you’re FULL of Grace you are without sin as it is only Grace that allows us to not sin. If you are born FULL of Grace (meaning not being able to receive any more - practically speaking), then you were given by God everything needed to not ever sin. This is so brief it borders on injustice. sorry.

4. Revelation says that all the people who worship Christ are Mary’s offspring. Making all Christians her children. Mary is the New Eve. Was Eve the “Mother of all Creation”?

5. Elizabeth teaches us that Mary is “The Mother of my Lord.” Lord means “God” as it does in ALL the surrounding usages of the term Lord in the Gospel of Luke. If Mary is the Mother of God, then maybe that is significant and something we should pay attention to? (You ask “HOW can she be the ‘Mother of God’ if God existed before she did???” Well, ask God. God chose the vessel of how he would be born into this world. He created his vessel. He created Mary. Why would he not (1) choose to create a sinless vessel and (2) give her a special place in Salvation History? Why reject that?

God didn’t have to use Mary. He could have had Jesus simply appear. He didn’t. The Catholic Church responds to revelation from God. Why reject such revelation solely to disagree with the Catholic Church?


104 posted on 12/13/2010 6:32:53 AM PST by studsterkel
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So many lies in the attachment made by many who are fighting the church. Christ said I will be with the church till the end of time nad not from 21st century or any century. Also not till a certain time but from the begining to the end and no attack of the evil one can destroy it.

One of thlies is thta no where in the bible was there any phenomino in the sky, this false. Jesus Christ saw the heaven open, Stephen saw the heaven open as well and saw heaven. The spirit of God decended like a dove. Jesus christ saw the trio on the mountain of transfiguration. John in Revelation 12 saw in the sky the ark of the convenant and also the woman clothed with the sun. So many in the Bible where events took place in the sky. ‘AND I WILL GRANT WONDERS IN THE SKY ABOVE AND SIGNS ON THE EARTH BELOW, BLOOD, AND FIRE, AND VAPOR OF SMOKE ..... before the glorious day of the Lord comes Act 2:19, Joel2;30

At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory Matt 24:29-31

There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea. Men will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken. At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.” Lk 21:25-28

And I saw an angel standing in the sun, who cried in a loud voice to all the birds flying in midair, “Come, gather together for the great supper of God” Rev 19:17

Check Ez 1 and Rev 4 and see the wheel that was seen in the sky

One thing for sure is devil cannot have hold or control of the sun, moon and stars otherwise we would have been in darkness since.

I will advice to keep away from people who are bent to destroy themselves and at the same time take others with them


105 posted on 09/29/2012 6:32:55 AM PDT by Chidinma
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