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The Ideology of Homosexuality [Ecumenical]
L'Espresso ^ | 2010 | Giacomo Cardinal Biffi

Posted on 11/16/2010 9:44:10 AM PST by Pyro7480

Regarding the problem of homosexuality that is emerging today, the Christian conception tells us that one must always distinguish the respect due to persons, which involves rejecting any marginalization of them in society and politics (except for the unalterable nature of marriage and the family), from the rejection of any exalted "ideology of homosexuality," which is obligatory.

The word of God, as we know it in a page of the letter to the Romans by the apostle Paul, offers us on the contrary a theological interpretation of the rampant cultural aberration in this matter: such an aberration – the sacred text affirms – is at the same time the proof and the result of the exclusion of God from the collective attention and from social life, and of the refusal to give him the glory that he is due (cf. Romans 1:21).

The exclusion of the Creator determines a universal derailing of reason: "They became vain in their reasoning, and their senseless minds were darkened. While claiming to be wise, they became fools" (Romans 1:21-22). The result of this intellectual blindness was a fall, in both theory and practice, into the most complete dissoluteness: "Therefore, God handed them over to impurity through the lusts of their hearts for the mutual degradation of their bodies" (Romans 1:24).

And to prevent any misunderstanding and any accommodating interpretation, the apostle proceeds with a startling analysis, formulated in perfectly explicit terms:

"Therefore, God handed them over to degrading passions. Their females exchanged natural relations for unnatural, and the males likewise gave up natural relations with females and burned with lust for one another. Males did shameful things with males and thus received in their own persons the due penalty for their perversity. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God handed them over to their undiscerning mind to do what is improper" (Romans 1:26-28).

Finally, Paul takes pains to observe that the greatest abjection takes place when "the authors of these things . . . not only do them but give approval to those who practice them" (cf. Romans 1:32).

It is a page of the inspired book, which no earthly authority can force us to censor. Nor are we permitted, if we want to be faithful to the word of God, the pusillanimity of passing over it in silence out of concern not to appear "politically incorrect."

We must on the contrary point out the singular interest for our days of this teaching of Revelation: what St. Paul revealed as taking place in the Greco-Roman world is shown to correspond prophetically to what has taken place in Western culture in these last centuries. The exclusion of the Creator – to the point of proclaiming grotesquely, a few decades ago, the "death of God" – has had the result (almost like an intrinsic punishment) of the spread of an aberrant view of sexuality, unknown (in its arrogance) to previous eras.

The ideology of homosexuality – as often happens to ideologies when they become aggressive and end up being politically triumphant – becomes a threat to our legitimate autonomy of thought: those who do not share it risk condemnation to a kind of cultural and social marginalization.

The attacks on freedom of thought start with language. Those who do not resign themselves to accept "homophilia" (the theoretical appreciation of homosexual relations) are charged with "homophobia" (etymologically, the "fear of homosexuality"). This must be very clear: those who are made strong by the inspired word and live in the "fear of God" are not afraid of anything, except perhaps the stupidity toward which, Bonhoeffer said, we are defenseless. We are now even charged sometimes with the incredibly arbitrary accusation of "racism": a word that, among other things, has nothing to do with this issue, and in any case is completely extraneous to our doctrine and our history.

The essential problem that presents itself is this: is it still permitted in our days to be faithful and consistent disciples of the teaching of Christ (which for millennia has inspired and enriched the whole of Western civilization), or must we prepare ourselves for a new form of persecution, promoted by homosexual activists, by their ideological accomplices, and even by those whose task it should be to defend the intellectual freedom of all, including Christians?

There is one question that we ask in particular of the theologians, biblicists, and pastoralists. Why on earth, in this climate of almost obsessive exaltation of Sacred Scripture, is the Pauline passage of Romans 1:21-32 never cited by anyone? Why on earth is there not a little more concern to make it known to believers and nonbelievers, in spite of its evident timeliness?


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Religion & Politics; Theology
KEYWORDS: biffi; cardinal; catholic; homosexual
This is excerpted from The Inconvenient Memoirs of Cardinal Biffi
1 posted on 11/16/2010 9:44:12 AM PST by Pyro7480
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To: Siobhan; Canticle_of_Deborah; NYer; Salvation; american colleen; Desdemona; StAthanasiustheGreat; ..

Catholic ping!


2 posted on 11/16/2010 9:44:48 AM PST by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: Pyro7480

Nothing to say but repent of your sins, homosexuality is a flesh passion not a genetic calling...


3 posted on 11/16/2010 9:47:30 AM PST by aces
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To: Pyro7480

Excellent from beginning to end.


4 posted on 11/16/2010 9:48:52 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Pyro7480

“the Christian conception tells us that one must always distinguish the respect due to persons, which involves rejecting any marginalization of them in society and politics”

The Cardinal is making this up. We have an obligation to “marginalize” persons who engage in various behaviors. This double-minded approach to unrepentant sodomites is cowardice and will fail.

The Church needs to show more courage and be less afraid of “offending”.


5 posted on 11/16/2010 9:50:28 AM PST by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: Pyro7480
Regarding the problem of homosexuality that is emerging today, the Christian conception tells us that one must always distinguish the respect due to persons, which involves rejecting any marginalization of them in society and politics (except for the unalterable nature of marriage and the family), from the rejection of any exalted "ideology of homosexuality," which is obligatory.

This is completely false, and I stopped reading right there. Does this give them open license to "non-discrimination" such as in employment (including child care), adoption "rights" and other marriage-like unions? The true Christian says "no." And we consider them unbelievers, as is scripturally mandated.

6 posted on 11/16/2010 9:52:00 AM PST by fwdude (Anita Bryant was right.)
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To: Pyro7480

Thanks to the LEFT in this country, yesterday’s deviants are today’s alternative lifestyle.


7 posted on 11/16/2010 9:52:15 AM PST by Finop (Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.)
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To: fwdude
Does this give them open license to "non-discrimination" such as in employment (including child care), adoption "rights" and other marriage-like unions?

I don't think the cardinal would agree with that, given his "unalterable nature of marriage and the family" phrase.

8 posted on 11/16/2010 9:53:51 AM PST by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: Pyro7480

Then read the first paragraph again. So softpeddling on the issue.


9 posted on 11/16/2010 9:55:16 AM PST by fwdude (Anita Bryant was right.)
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To: achilles2000; fwdude
I think what the cardinal is getting at is that you don't deny them basic legal rights, such as that to due process.
10 posted on 11/16/2010 9:55:23 AM PST by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: fwdude

It isn’t when you read THE REST of it.


11 posted on 11/16/2010 9:56:05 AM PST by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: fwdude; achilles2000
Also, you're missing part of the context. What the cardinal is referencing is the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered." They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.

12 posted on 11/16/2010 10:00:19 AM PST by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: Pyro7480

I agree with much of what the Cardinal has to say, but I don’t think that is what the quote says (your due process point). Moreover, homosexual sodomy has everywhere in Christendom for over a millenium been a crime, and with good reason....until relatively recently, and mainly because of the courts.

The church has allowed sodomites to infiltrate and destroy. They need to be identified and thrown out of every position of authority in the church and in our public and private institutions. No compromise; no exceptions.


13 posted on 11/16/2010 10:01:06 AM PST by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: Pyro7480

I think that the catechism is excellent teaching, but I don’t think I’m missing the context. My comment was directed at an initial comment made by the Cardinal before he launched into some worthwhile commentary. Frankly, the “don’t marginalize” language is included in many discussions of this subject almost reflexively, and it reflects a fear of man ingrained in us by the culture.

The Church has paid and is paying a very heavy price for not having dealt with unrepentent sodomites biblically long ago.


14 posted on 11/16/2010 10:06:44 AM PST by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: achilles2000
Moreover, homosexual sodomy has everywhere in Christendom for over a millenium been a crime, and with good reason....until relatively recently, and mainly because of the courts.

The church has allowed sodomites to infiltrate and destroy. They need to be identified and thrown out of every position of authority in the church and in our public and private institutions. No compromise; no exceptions.

An excellent analysis.

15 posted on 11/16/2010 10:10:47 AM PST by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: Pyro7480
I think what the cardinal is getting at is that you don't deny them basic legal rights, such as that to due process.

This has to be one of the biggest straw men that the homo-activists promote. As if they HAVE been denied due process.

And now the straw man is being erected by a "Christian?" Incredible.

16 posted on 11/16/2010 10:13:17 AM PST by fwdude (Anita Bryant was right.)
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To: aces

homosexuality is a flesh passion not a genetic calling...”

True...but it is much, much worse than that. It is much more deranged and sick than the flesh that normal men feel for with beautiful (and sometimes less than beautiful) women, for example. Perfectly understandable, and there is nothing perverted or distorted about that. It is flesh, and the flesh has to be beaten back.

But homosexuality is completely twisted.

At the minimum, it is a very, very serious mental illness. But of course the most accurate portrayal is in Romans 1. A mind that has gone down that road is one that has been turned over as depraved.

Yes, we should have compassion on homosexuals. They are usually abused, and very sad figures.

But...in my experience, they are truly depraved and sick. I a homosexual would very easily kill you if just pushed a little in the right direction. They are dangerous, sick, twisted characters who should not be trusted for anything.

Christ can bring them salvation and restoration, of course, as you have noted. But the repentance from homosexuality is not something that can be done glibly, because it is so deep rooted and so deranged.


17 posted on 11/16/2010 10:20:34 AM PST by ConservativeDude
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To: ConservativeDude

sentence above should read (reminder to self, proofreading is a virtue!):

I BELIEVE a homosexual would very easily kill you if just pushed a little in the right direction. They are dangerous, sick, twisted characters who should not be trusted for anything.


18 posted on 11/16/2010 10:22:22 AM PST by ConservativeDude
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To: Pyro7480
Also, you're missing part of the context. What the cardinal is referencing is the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

That explains my disagreement.

20 posted on 11/16/2010 10:50:40 AM PST by fwdude (Anita Bryant was right.)
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To: Pyro7480

Does not matter the source is Catholic and therefore suspect.


21 posted on 11/16/2010 11:31:12 AM PST by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: TopGun25

you are so correct. i agree entirely.


22 posted on 11/16/2010 11:34:51 AM PST by ConservativeDude
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To: ConservativeDude

I do agree, it is demonic, but let’s be honest and understand that to God all sins are sins, they are not separated into sins he can live with, no , all have fallen short of the glory of God...all sins are despicable and abominations to our Holy Father whom we cannot even look upon without dying..
While indeed homosexuality is a terrible sin, all sins have their demonic roots and all demons are satanic..That is why we need Jesus salvation so much...Even today the best Christians are sinners and grievous unto God, if it were not for the blood of Christ in our hearts we would be possessed..
Because of this it is al;so important that those who have indulged in any sinful activity be able to forgive themselves while at the same time viewing the sin as what it is, demonic..looking at others wives with lust etc...you know the 10 commandments I am sure, while forgiven of these sins in Christ, the 10 commandments will once again be real in Heaven, it could not be Heaven unless we obeyed these commandments..
Peace to you in Christ..


23 posted on 11/16/2010 12:24:03 PM PST by aces
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To: ConservativeDude; aces; Tax-chick
To me, this is the key quote:

The exclusion of the Creator determines a universal derailing of reason: "They became vain in their reasoning, and their senseless minds were darkened. While claiming to be wise, they became fools" (Romans 1:21-22).

Yes, homosexual behavior --- perverse sex relations, split off from their true meaning of man-woman bonding and fertility --- spring from a "flesh passion," but much moreso, and more dangerous, is that the wide acceptance of the "twisting" of sex involves a derailing of reason.

The almost-universal acceptance of contracepted intercourse, for example, is a perversion in itself, and paved the way for the acceptance of homosexual intercourse. People no longer accept the intrinsic meaning of intercourse as an act that uniquely "means" the transmission of life (that is, the marital act, unimpaired and unaltered, means "lovemaking is life-making") ---

People who can deliberately twist the act so as to split that meaning away from sexual intercourse, will eventually accept and justify any kind of sexual jack-assery.

This derailing of reason, the denial of the instrinsic structure of sex, goes far beyond the 1 - 2% of the population who are actively homosexual.

24 posted on 11/16/2010 1:01:27 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("Contracepting couples are heterosexual gays." -- Richard Rodriguez)
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To: achilles2000
>>The Cardinal is making this up. We have an obligation to “marginalize” persons who engage in various behaviors.<<

John tells us how to treat them rather clearly.

2 John 7-11 7Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist. 8Watch out that you do not lose what you have worked for, but that you may be rewarded fully. 9Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. 10If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him. 11Anyone who welcomes him shares in his wicked work.

25 posted on 11/16/2010 1:14:24 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: aces

Absolutely.

that said, there is also no doubt that some sins are more harmful to the psyche and more destructive to the mental and physical survival of the sinner, reflect a “deeper” level of depravity, as it were.

All sinners need Jesus, and there is not one word of Scripture which minimizes the reality of the sin of man, even the “best” of men. Our righteousness are as filthy rags in front of God, no doubt about it.


26 posted on 11/16/2010 2:16:09 PM PST by ConservativeDude
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To: Pyro7480
Dennis Prager, Why Judaism Rejected Homosexuality

I always thought this an interesting paper.

27 posted on 11/16/2010 2:26:30 PM PST by onedoug
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Maybe. That sort of argument seems to reflect a very JPII understanding of sexuality. It seems to suggest that the division of the sex act and the loss of reason sets up a sort of continuum where, for example, promiscuous heterosexual sex for mere pleasure, is sort of in the same path as gay sex.

That just doesn’t ring true.

That’s sort of like saying eating too much at a banquet is the same “type” of thing as eating excrement. Yes, both are wrong. And both involve “eating”. But one is done by a person who has fleshly desires, but desires which are also normal and wholesome if exercised in the right context. But gay sex and the eating of excrement are done only by mentally ill people who are deeply depraved (and also sinners).


28 posted on 11/16/2010 2:27:44 PM PST by ConservativeDude
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To: ConservativeDude
I don't think contracepted sex and homosexualized sex are identical, but I would argue they are morally similar and allied; and disordered as well.

They both deny that sex has an intrinsic structure which is meaningful and providential.They both assume that you can restructure what sexual intercourse IS to fit your preferences.

It's a safe bet that the vast majority of heterosexuals who approve of homosexual sex, also approve of contraceptive sex.

It's also a safe bet that the vast majority of heterosexuals who don't approve of contraceptive intercourse, also don't approve of homosexual intercourse.

29 posted on 11/16/2010 2:50:00 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Sorry: Tag-line presently at the dry cleaners. Please find suitable bumper-sticker instead.)
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To: Pyro7480

PLacemark for pingout tomorrow.


30 posted on 11/16/2010 9:57:11 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.CSLewis)
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To: Pyro7480

What are they supposed to do then? Like parolees, what are they supposed to do? They have to eat. They need to work.


31 posted on 11/17/2010 6:55:08 AM PST by ichabod1 (Hail Mary Full of Grace, The Lord Is With Thee...)
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To: ConservativeDude

Yet, we aren’t allowed to judge what’s in a person’s heart. God looks on the heart. So, if someone is clearly gay looking and at church, I guess we have to think the best of him, and that that little sodomy thing is between him and his maker.


32 posted on 11/17/2010 6:58:02 AM PST by ichabod1 (Hail Mary Full of Grace, The Lord Is With Thee...)
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To: TopGun25

Women only have such rights as men choose to give them.


33 posted on 11/17/2010 6:59:07 AM PST by ichabod1 (Hail Mary Full of Grace, The Lord Is With Thee...)
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To: ichabod1

So, if someone is clearly gay looking and at church, I guess we have to think the best of him, and that that little sodomy thing is between him and his maker.”

Well, not at the church I attend, nor at any church I would ever attend. That is where the hard line on repentance and church discipline comes in. Repent, or hit the road.


35 posted on 11/17/2010 7:59:35 AM PST by ConservativeDude
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To: ConservativeDude

Hmm... I repeat, we are not allowed to judge what’s in a person’s heart. We ARE allowed, required, to judge a person’s actions, their “fruits” if you will. But just because someone is a bit effeminate and you think he’s probably faggotish, you aren’t allowed to conduct an inquisition. Even if they ARE gsy, you don’t know if they repent and are sorry, even if they keep succumbing to the urge. In other words, they don’t answer to you.


36 posted on 11/17/2010 11:01:54 AM PST by ichabod1 (Hail Mary Full of Grace, The Lord Is With Thee...)
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To: Pyro7480

Placemark.


37 posted on 11/18/2010 10:35:04 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.CSLewis)
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To: aces

There are varying “results” from differing sins. Homosexuality is vile in every way for it affects the entire person, body, soul and spirit..not to mention the mind. The ‘effects’ of this sin on family, children, wives, culture and all other areas is vast as well. Not to mention the God speaks very candidly about this particular sin.

So though all sin is sin...how they play out can be vastly different. Homosexuality kills others as much as abortion does for it infects the innocent as well as the guilty.


38 posted on 11/18/2010 10:53:40 PM PST by caww
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