Posted on 11/30/2010 7:38:28 PM PST by pf707
Link please?
Woudl someone please tell me, when is the ‘time of chastisement’ supposed to begin?
Is there a reason then that His HOliness and all the world’s bishops aren’t coming to Russia en masse to consecrate the country? Or do they prefer ot be like politicians who let eveyrthing og to pieces BEFORE they do something about it?
When we surrender to Islam - the bombs will fall.
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The main message is really for all of us to pray and be a witness. The” secret” chronicles never stop. We rehash this all the time. Just pray most of all. Praise Jesus and Hail Mary like the angel honored her so know less a man can do also. Hail Mary! Praise Jesus for everything! Amen! So be It!
It doesn’t matter what the third secret is. We are not to know the future anyway, so instead of stewing on the things that do not matter, prepare yourself for today.
Chasing apparitions only confuses people and the message. I believe in Fatima without the secret along with Lourdes, but take the message for what it is. PRAY! That is what Our Lady is telling us. There are only a handful of true apparitions, all others are from spirits that are trying to confuse and lead people away from God.
To discern a true apparition, look for the obedience of the seer to their local bishop. If there is any decent what so ever, they are not true. Our Lady would never, never ask a seer to disobey their local bishop. It does not matter what other bishops say, it is only the local that counts. God will give the local bishop the discernment needed in approving or disapproving an apparition.
Source of this post, please.
Are you the author of this article?
Well, if you believe Mary is Divine and sinless and knows the future, wouldn't she (or Jesus) KNOW if Russia would be "infuriated"? And if so, choose other words?
A third secret element that would definitely infuriate Russia would be something along the lines of a prophecy that states: the leader of Russia at the time of the chastisement is possessed by demons from hell!
You've GOT to be joking!!! You think that would "infuriate" the Kremlin??? They don't even believe in God or Hell or demons!
Do you have a source link for this? Thanks.
I doubt he has a source. I’m 100% certain he wrote it himself. Writings like this are like the devils false apparitions, chaff to deceive and defeat the real message of Fatima, by obscurring it behind millions of undocumented conjectures.
The writer is trying to find/say/answer the question of; Why has not any pope yet consecrated Russia as requested at Fatima, and Why haven’t they revealed the completet 3rd secret? His personal conjectures are worthless vanity.
As examples of his undocumented conjecture to name a few:
“the infuriating of the Kremlin”
“the sodomite scandal having any bearing on not releasing the Fatima”
The article is accurate whenever it quotes from other sources, the problem is in the conjecturing above.
Chaff - radar-reflective aluminum foil strips ejected from aircraft with the intent of deceiving and defeating ground to air threat radars
As to the reason why they have not done it, from my extensive readings, I've come to the conclusion that it's as simple as the reason why Namaan did not want to use the cure given to him. It is too simple, and thus they don't believe it, why should they risk their hides for that? (their thinking, not mine). The Vatican for some time has gone the route of appeasement of the communists (cowardness), and ecumenism with the the Russian Orthodox (another cowardly appeasement, for if Russia is converted as Our Lady said, obviously, the message is saying the Orthodox are a false religion).
Naaman the Syrian is cleansed of his leprosy. He professeth his belief in one God, promising to serve him. Giezi taketh gifts of Naaman, and is struck with leprosy.
1 Naaman, general of the army of the king of Syria, was a great man with his master, and honourable: for by him the Lord gave deliverance to Syria: and he was a valiant man and rich, but a leper. 2 Now there had gone out robbers from Syria, and had led away captive out of the land of Israel a little maid, and she waited upon Naaman's wife. 3 And she said to her: I wish my master had been with the prophet, that is in Samaria: he would certainly have healed him of the leprosy which he hath. 4 Then Naaman went in to his lord, and told him, saying: Thus and thus said the girl from the land of Israel. 5 And the king of Syria said to him: Go, and I will send a letter to the king of Israel. And he departed, and took with hin ten talents of silver, and six thousand pieces of gold, and ten changes of raiment, 6 And brought the letter to the king of Israel in these words: When thou shalt receive this letter, know that I have sent to thee Naaman my servant, that thou mayest heal him of his leprosy. 7 And when the king of Israel had read the letter, he rent his garments, and said: Am I God, to be able to kill and give life, that this man hath sent to me, to heal a man of his leprosy? mark, and see how he seekest occasions against me. 8 And when Eliseus the man of God had heard this, to wit, that the king of Israel had rent his garments, he sent to him saying: Why hast thou rent thy garments? let him come to me, and let him know that there is a prophet in Israel. 9 So Naaman came with his horses and chariots, and stood at the door of the house of Eliseus: 10 And Eliseus sent a messenger to him, saying: Go, and wash seven times in the Jordan, and thy flesh shall recover health, and thou shalt be clean. 11 Naaman was angry and went away, saying: I thought he would have come out to me, and standing would have invoked the name of the Lord his God, and touched with his hand the place of the leprosy, and healed me. 12 Are not the Abana, and the Pharphar, rivers of Damascus, better than all the waters of Israel, that I may wash in them, and be made clean? So as he turned, and was going away with indignation, 13 His servants came to him, and said to him: Father, if the prophet had bid thee do some great thing, surely thou shouldst have done it: how much rather what he now hath said to thee: Wash, and thou shalt be clean? 14 Then he went down, and washed in the Jordan seven times: according to the word of the man of God, and his flesh was restored, like the flesh of a little child, and he was made clean. 15 And returning to the man of God with all his train, he came, and stood before him, and said: In truth, I know there is no other God in all the earth, but only in Israel: I beseech thee therefore take a blessing of thy servant. 16 But he answered: As the Lord liveth, before whom I stand, I will receive none. And when he pressed him, he still refused. 17 And Naaman said: As thou wilt: but I beseech thee, grant to me thy servant, to take from hence two mules' burden of earth: for thy servant will not henceforth offer holocaust, or victim, to other gods, but to the Lord. 18 But there is only this, for which thou shalt entreat the Lord for thy servant, when my master goeth into the temple of Remmon, to worship: and he leaneth upon my hand, if I bow down in the temple of Remmon, when he boweth down in the same place, that the Lord pardon me thy servant for this thing. 19 And he said to him: Go in peace. So he departed from him in the springtime of the earth. 20 But Giezi the servant of the man of God said: My master hath spared Naaman this Syrian, in not receiving of him that which he brought: as the Lord liveth, I will run after him, and take some thing of him: 21 And Giezi followed after Naaman: and when he saw him running after him, leapt down from his chariot to meet him, and said: Is all well? 22 And he said: Well: my master hath sent me to thee, saying: Just now there are come to me from mount Ephraim, two young men of the sons of the prophets: give them a talent of silver, and two changes of garments. 23 And Naaman said: It is better that thou take two talents. And he forced him, and bound two talents of silver in two bags, and two changes of garments, and laid them upon two of his servants, and they carried them before him. 24 And when he was come, and now it was the evening, he took them from their hands, and laid them up in the house, and sent the men away, and they departed. 25 But he went in, and stood before his master. And Eliseus said: Whence comest thou, Giezi? He answered: Thy servant went no whither. 26 But he said: Was not my heart present, when the man turned back from his chariot to meet thee? So now thou hast received money, and received garments, to buy oliveyards, and vineyards, and sheep, and oxen, and menservants, and maidservants. 27 But the leprosy of Naaman shall also stick to thee, and to thy seed for ever. And he went out from him a leper as white as snow. (4 Kings 5)
Yes I authored the article.
I believe that it was a divine test imposed upon the Church. The risk involved with the test is that the Soviet Union/Russia could retaliate. Without the risk what would be the point of the test? If the Church was requested by Mary only to consecrate the “world” there would be no problems, no effort, and no meaningful test of faith.
With the Church keen on avoiding confrontation with Russia thus avoiding the Fatima requests, is it really inconceivable that Heaven will fulfill it's warnings against the Church by the hand of Russia. The Third Secret pertains to a great persecution.
As I've already indicated, the “Church Vs. Russia” and “Russia Vs. the Church” is a major theme that permeates the Fatima message, the destructive relation between the two is announced. Is this all about the past? I think not. 1960 was the year the Third Secret was to be opened to the world, so the great persecution cannot pertain to the time before that.
The only way to claim these events are behind us, is to support a consecration done by the Pope that is not centered on Russia, and believe a letter purported by Lucia is not a fabrication.
The body of evidence gets deeper when accounting for accurate La Salette English translations and certain documented comments regarding the Third Secret.
<<<’I come to answer your question, ‘If the consecration made by Pope John Paul II on March 25, 1984 in union with all the bishops of the world, accomplished the conditions for the consecration of Russia according to the request of Our Lady in Tuy on June 13 of 1929?’ Yes, it was accomplished, and since then I have said that it was made. And I say that no other person responds for me, it is I who receive and open all letters and respond to them. Coimbra, 3 July 1990 Sister Lucia.>>>
The problem with that letter is that anyone could have fabricated it.
The other problem is nut jobs like you see a conspiracy behind every corner
It would be perceived as an abhorrent tactic to terrify everyone back to the Church at a desperate moment in time.
Your tin foil hat is on too tight
It would bring down the wrath of Russia against the Vatican.
So what. Wouldn't be the first time. Also, Christ promised to protect the Church. Don't you believe him?
Except for the last few paragraphs, the articles are verbatim. Either you're the author and changed the last few paragraphs, or you plagiarized it.
You should stick to conspiracy websites for this kind of garbage
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