Posted on 11/30/2010 7:38:28 PM PST by pf707
Since the errors of Athiestic Communism are no longer an issue in Russia, you want to dismiss that and attribute some other error or errors to keep your conspiracy theory alive. The litany of sins you listed and then stated The errors of Russia are still there is ridiculous. Those sins did not originate in Russia and are not Russia’s errors.
The Consecration of Russia is complete. Time to move on.
THE TEACHINGS OF THE FATHERS, DOCTORS AND SAINTS OF THE CHURCH UPON THE FINAL DESTINY OF MOST PEOPLE.
I do not subscribe to your fatalistic attitude. I’d prefer to follow the advice of St. Padre Pio
“Pray, hope, and don't worry. Worry is useless. God is merciful and will hear your prayer...Prayer is the best weapon we have; it is the key to God's heart. You must speak to Jesus with not only your lips but with your heart. In fact on certain occasions you should speak to Him only with your heart...”
For anyone that wants to know about Fatima, should read the 3 volume set by Frere Michel De La Sainte Trinite:
Just can’t let go can you? These writings were published in the 1980’s. In fact, there’s a disclaimer on the home page that states “ all references to the Third Secret in these volumes should be interpreted within this pre-revelational context.”
I’ll take the word of JPII and Pope Benedict XVI that the secret has been revealed and the Consecration to Russia is complete.
I’m a Catholic father of 5 children 8 and under, so far.
Wonderful! God Bless you and your family.
I made it quite clear that the "errors of Russia", spoken by Our Blessed Mother to the seer Lucia, were spiritual, were about the eternal loss of souls. If you read the three volumes I recommended , you would know this. This is a basic Catholic mindset ("What does it profit a man to gain the world and loose his soul?"). I told point blank that you are dead wrong in your strictly earthly analysis.
Besides, YOUR "errors of Russia" analysis is wrong in the earthly sense too, since atheistic communism still exists in China, Korea, Vietnam, Cuba, and is quickly taking over South America at this moment, Bolivia, Venezuela, Nicaragua, Chile etc.
The whole foundation of your edifice of analysis is founded on the so-called "fall of communism" in Russia in the late 80's. From there you "weave it" into the INCOMPLETE consecration by JPII in 1984, in which he neither mentioned Russia, nor did it in union with the bishops.
AND YET: for 34 years before that "consecration" of the world, everyone knew from Lucia the seer of Fatima that consecration of Russia and the world done by Pius XII in the late 40's and early 50's (which at least mentioned Russia), were incomplete, not done as asked by the Blessed Mother. Now, since JPII's "consecrations" neither mentioned Russia nor were done in union with the bishops, in other words, they were EVEN LESS THAN WHAT PIUS XII HAD DONE, I ask you: what on earth would possess anyone to think that JPII's consecrations were satisfactory?
- The letter from Lucia? It's been shown to be a forgery. Besides, if it isn't, then Lucia is either a schizophrenic or got Alzheimer's. FROM 1917 to 1984 for Lucia the consecration required the specific consecration of Russia by the pope in union with all the bishops. Then from 1984 forward it didn't require either? That letter is a forgery to discredit the message.
Where is the period of peace? Portugal was consecrated as asked by the Blessed Mother, and it had a period of peace of over 40 years, avoiding the savage Spanish Civil War (AT IT'S VER BORDER!)and all of WWII. After the consecration, Portuguese government miraculously turned from a masonic anti clerical to a great Catholic government. The last Catholic government on earth till it fell after Vatican II.
Where are the elimination of the errors of Russia, spiritual or earthly? Only a dreamer with his head in the sand or a useful idiot could think that both are gone.
By the way, in addition to being a father of 5, I am also a person who lost his country to communism and it still remains communist to this day. where is the fall of that earthly error of Russia?
I repeat again:
Pope Pius XII consecrated Russia in like 1950, BUT, not in union with the bishops. Pope JPII did it twice, but never specifically named Russia, nor did he do it in union with the bishops.
We have the record of the seer Lucia stating that the consecration by Pius XII was incomplete because he did not do it in union with the bishops AND YET HE SPECIFICALLY CONSECRATED RUSSIA. The only two things that could make anyone think that the JPII consecrations (WHICH LACK BOTH the union of the bishops in the consecration AND THE MENTION OF RUSSIA) were complete, would be ignorance of the past consecrations by Pius XII (which at least mentioned Russia) or that the people saying that the consecrations were done are enemies of the Church.
The consecrations have not been done, those that teach otherwise are either ignorant of the subject matter, or enemies of the Church, whether they are wolves in sheep's clothing (Catholic clergy) or wolves.
The errors of Russia are still there, and have spread all over the world: abortion, contraceptives, divorce, women behaving as men (not having children and competing for men's jobs), breakup of the family, children raised by the state, Immorality, fornication, adultery,pornography drugs & alcohol abuse, and sports/circus to keep the masses numbed. The USA is already poisoned by the errors of Russia, the USA is actually today the biggest promoter of the errors of Russia.
Our Blessed Mother came to warn us of errors of Russia pertaining to our ETERNAL SALVATION. If she had come to warn us of the earthly horrors of communism, it's mass starvation killings, concentration camps, firing squads and so forth, she would have warned us also of the Nazis, and every other despot since 1917.
THE TEACHINGS OF THE FATHERS, DOCTORS AND SAINTS OF THE CHURCH UPON THE FINAL DESTINY OF MOST PEOPLE.
I do not subscribe to your fatalistic attitude. -------------------------------------------
Nothing fatalistic in what all those saints wrote. Those quotes span like 1900 years of Christianity. All the saints taught the same. By your reaction of calling all those saints (Catholic teaching for 2000 years)"fatalistic" , I gather that you must be a woman, brought up in the post Vatican II, happy face, sugar coated Catholicism, where people don't want to know anything related with death & suffering, and only want to have "pleasant thoughts".
I am a man, a warrior knight, not affraid of death, and I try to live by the teaching: "Remember the end of your life, and then you will never sin" (Wis. Sir. 7,36). "
Remember the end of your life, and then you will never sin. I shall not write again on FR.
God Bless,
Of course. All conspiracy theories need to have a forgery. Sorry, I’m not buying it.
I gather that you must be a woman
I gather you’re a male chauvinist who specializes in erroneous speculations. I’m a husband, father and grandfather
brought up in the post Vatican II, happy face, sugar coated Catholicism, where people don't want to know anything related with death & suffering, and only want to have "pleasant thoughts".
Is this one of your standard talking points or did you post this because you thought I was a woman?
I am a man, a warrior knight, not affraid of death, and I try to live by the teaching:
Same here.
I shall not write again on FR.
As you wish. Good day.
Of course. All conspiracy theories need to have a forgery. Sorry, I’m not buying it.
Of course, you pick one out of like 15 proofs of why the consecration has not been done, and call EVERYTHING a "conspiracy theory". You are either creating a smoke screen or you choose to hide your head in the sand.
Despite of people like you, blind and ignorant of truth, or a wolf in sheep's clothing, despite people like you, the truth of Fatima continues. The SSPX recently sent a 2.3 million rosary bouquet in their request to Pope Benedict XVI to finally consecrate Russia as requested by Our Lady. There is no traditionalist Catholic that believes the consecrations were done in 1984 by JPII. Despite the cries of the enemies of the Church, Russia will one day be properly consecrated, there is nothing that the devil himself can do to stop it. The pope will one day consecrate Russia, and then THE WORLD will see what a real conversion, and a real period of peace are. Till then, if you so choose, you can remain with your head in the sand.
Of course. All conspiracy theories need to have a forgery. Sorry, I’m not buying it.
Of course, you pick one out of like 15 proofs of my posted proofs of why the consecration has not been done, and call EVERYTHING a "conspiracy theory". You are either creating a smoke screen or you choose to hide your head in the sand.
Despite of people like you, blind and ignorant of truth, or a wolf in sheep's clothing, despite people like you, the truth of Fatima continues. The SSPX recently sent a 2.3 million rosary bouquet in their request to Pope Benedict XVI to finally consecrate Russia as requested by Our Lady. There is no traditionalist Catholic that believes the consecrations were done in 1984 by JPII. Despite the cries of the enemies of the Church, Russia will one day be properly consecrated, there is nothing that the devil himself can do to stop it. The pope will one day consecrate Russia, and then THE WORLD will see what a real conversion, and a real period of peace are. Till then, if you so choose, you can remain with your head in the sand.
"Male chauvinist", "conspiracy theories", "fatalist", ALL empty cliches of the TV brainwashed. Might as well ad homophobic, rigorists, triumphalist, and on and on. Open your eyes!!!!
re: brought up in the post Vatican II, happy face, sugar coated Catholicism, where people don't want to know anything related with death & suffering, and only want to have "pleasant thoughts".
Is this one of your standard talking points or did you post this because you thought I was a woman?
I wrote it becuase only a brainwashed "in the post Vatican II, happy face, sugar coated Catholicism, where people don't want to know anything related with death & suffering, and only want to have pleasant thoughts", would believe the writing on all those saints, representing 1900 years of Catholic teaching,is fatalist.
Sorry, you’re under the mistaken impression I consider anything you posted as a proof. As I mentioned, I’m not buying it.
You are either creating a smoke screen or you choose to hide your head in the sand.
I believe you’ve got that backwards
Despite of people like you, blind and ignorant of truth, or a wolf in sheep's clothing, despite people like you, the truth of Fatima continues.
Yes, the truth of Fatima has been revealed and does continue. The secret was revealed and the Consecration took place as Our Lady instructed.
The SSPX recently sent a 2.3 million rosary bouquet in their request to Pope Benedict XVI to finally consecrate Russia as requested by Our Lady.
A bit late but it seems like a nice thing to do. They should have sent the rosary bouquet to Pope John II in 1984 thanking him for the consecration
There is no traditionalist Catholic that believes the consecrations were done in 1984 by JPII.
As I thought, you’re a Mel Gibson type Catholic. That explains your male chauvinism and short fuse.
Despite the cries of the enemies of the Church, Russia will one day be properly consecrated, there is nothing that the devil himself can do to stop it.
The devil did try to stop it and failed.
The pope will one day consecrate Russia, and then THE WORLD will see what a real conversion, and a real period of peace are.
It’s been done and the conversion will happen according to God’s timeline, not yours.
Till then, if you so choose, you can remain with your head in the sand.
Nah, I keep up with what’s going on. You however, can return to your bunker. I thought you weren’t going to write again on FR
As I thought, you’re a Mel Gibson type Catholic.
No, you don't think, you are prejudiced, you prejudge the message of Fatima into your own small nothing event, and you prejudge Traditionalists. You are nothing, but a cliche parrot, a small mind, with nothing to contribute to a discussion.
Now you label me as "a bunker living Mel Gibson Catholic". Whatever!
Traditionalist are the Catholics that go to frequent confession, don't use birth control, are not divorced and re-married. The traditionalist are the real Catholics, the people that go to the Latin mass, attended by diocene priests, the FSSP, Institute of Christ the King, Soc. of St John Vianney, AND the SSPX, and all independents, AND even the Sedevacantes ( I have nothing against them), who think the current popes are not popes. Numbered among the traditionalists, are all the people who still attend the Novus Ordo because they have no choice, or know no better. Traditionalists are ALL the Catholics who abhor communion in the hand, Eucharistic ministers, laity hugging kiss of peace, and all the other sacriligious and banal activity in the Novus Ordo world. All of those real Catholics do not believe Russia has been consecrated.
People like you blaspheme the message of Fatima by saying that what we have today is the period of peace and the conversion Russia. It's laughable that anyone can think that this, what we have today is the reason why Our Lord performed the Miracle of the Sun, and put Lucia through the ringer as her quest for 80 years. People like you should put your body where your mouth is and move to those "paradises of your conversion of Russia" like Cuba, Russia, or China, to name a few.
Feel better?
All of those real Catholics do not believe Russia has been consecrated.
If you say so
People like you blaspheme the message of Fatima by saying that what we have today is the period of peace and the conversion Russia.
Don’t put words in my mouth. What I said was “It’s been done and the conversion will happen according to God’s timeline, not yours.
It's laughable that anyone can think that this, what we have today is the reason why Our Lord performed the Miracle of the Sun, and put Lucia through the ringer as her quest for 80 years.
Did I mention you specialize in erroneous speculations?
People like you should put your body where your mouth is and move to those "paradises of your conversion of Russia" like Cuba, Russia, or China, to name a few.
People like you need to pay attention to detail and stop attributing comments to someone who didn’t make them. It would also be helpful if you would contemplate the advice given by St. Padre Pio before you blow a gasket.
re: People like you need to pay attention to detail and stop attributing comments to someone who didn’t make them. It would also be helpful if you would contemplate the advice given by St. Padre Pio before you blow a gasket.
The difference between you and I is that when you say something, I read it, and think on it. While you ignore completely whatever anyone writes, as your mind is already made up. If you had read the saints quotes that I sent you, you would realize that we are living in desperate times as most people are going to hell.
“Pray, hope, and don’t worry. Worry is useless. God is merciful and will hear your prayer...Prayer is the best weapon we have; it is the key to God’s heart. You must speak to Jesus with not only your lips but with your heart. In fact on certain occasions you should speak to Him only with your heart...” (Padre Pio)
What Padre Pio wrote has nothing to do with our discussion on Fatima. I’m not “worried”. You call the 1900 years of saints quotes “fatalistic”, and you quote Padre Pio as if he’s saying “don’t worry be happy”. Worry, in the sense that Padre Pio is saying, is called despair, which is a sin against hope. However, in the sense that you take it, “the saints were fatalistic” (you said it!), and for you we have to not let anything disturb our sleep through life (like the 1960’s hippies, “smoke a joint man, and it’’l pass, peace, man”.
Fatalism and despair are not occuring on my side, they have nothing to do with anything I write. If an atomic bomb was dropped on my head tomorrow, I could care less, God knows what is best for me, and if He so chooses to take me, so be it.
Don’t put words in my mouth. What I said was “It’s been done and the conversion will happen according to God’s time line, not yours.
The consecration has not been performed as requested by Our Lady. If Pius XII did not do it in 1948 by specifically mentioning Russia, then logically JPII did not do it by his not even mentioning Russia.
Read scripture about Gedeon (really read the whole thing, not just what I give you).
17 Judges 7:2 And the Lord said to Gedeon: The people that are with thee are many, and Madian shall not be delivered into their hands: lest Israel should glory against me, and say: I was delivered by my own strength.
Read Gedeon and you will understand how God works his miracles. God wants EVERYONE to know that a miracle has occurred. The conversion "happening over a long time line" (1984 to 2010++++) will not convince anyone that it was caused by a "consecration" in 1984. That is why He asked through the Blessed Mother that the consecration be done in union with all the bishops, and that the object of the consecration be ONLY Russia. The consecration must be in the open, that is why all the bishops. It will be controversial, for EVERYONE to likely ridicule. No one will be able to deny that it was done. No one then will be able to hide the connection with the miracle of the conversion, it will be instant, like Gedeon's victory. God did not waste the greatest miracle in the history of mankind, Fatima, for no one to notice.
OK. So we can only use your quotes. Got it.
You call the 1900 years of saints quotes “fatalistic”,
There you go putting words in my mouth again. What I said was I do not subscribe to your fatalistic attitude.
and you quote Padre Pio as if he’s saying “don’t worry be happy”. Worry, in the sense that Padre Pio is saying, is called despair, which is a sin against hope.
There you go speculating again. I quoted Padre Pio in the sense If you remain in a state of grace and have an active prayer life, the troubles of the world wouldn’t worry you so much. As a matter of fact, if everybody took this advice to heart and acted on it, we wouldn't even be having this discussion. That is the difference betweeen my outlook and yours.
However, in the sense that you take it, “the saints were fatalistic” (you said it!),
You need to stop speculating, I did not say that, I said you were.
and for you we have to not let anything disturb our sleep through life (like the 1960’s hippies, “smoke a joint man, and it’’l pass, peace, man”.
Your mind reading skills are terrible
God wants EVERYONE to know that a miracle has occurred. The conversion "happening over a long time line" (1984 to 2010++++) will not convince anyone that it was caused by a "consecration" in 1984.
Is this an infallible pronouncement or just your opinion?
God did not waste the greatest miracle in the history of mankind, Fatima, for no one to notice.
I never said the miracle was wasted nor did I say no one will notice. God works in mysterious ways. You act as if you wrote the script.
Did you read Gedeon in scripture?
Yes. Fascinating story, read it last night. However , why do you think I don’t understand how God works his miracles? Or more to your point that God wants EVERYONE to know that a miracle has occurred.. The Miracle of the Sun was witnessed by thousands and widely reported in the press. That’s a pretty clear sign that God would provide a miracle "so that all may believe."
You think the consecration of Russia is going to provide another immediate miracle . You said, The conversion "happening over a long time line" (1984 to 2010++++) will not convince anyone that it was caused by a "consecration" in 1984.
It has already been pointed out on this thread that since the consecration in 1984 there have been a series of events that would confirm what Sr. Lucia wrote. The consecration has been accomplished and God will keep His word.
The errors of Russia will not go away overnight. As I mentioned, this will be accomplished in God’s time, not yours. As an example of God’s time I’ll point out the second apparition which took place on June 13, 1917
In the second apparition Lucia asked the Lady, "Will you take us to heaven?" The Virgin responded,
"Yes, I shall take Jacinta and Francisco soon, but you will remain a little longer, since Jesus wishes you to make me known and loved on earth. He wishes also for you to establish devotion in the world to my Immaculate Heart."
That “little longer“ turned out to be 88 years. You need to be more patient my friend. God is in control, not you.
You are changing Mary's words!! She did NOT say "little longer." Where did you fetch that quote?
Mary in fact responded with the words "Sim; a Jacinta e o Francisco levo-os em breve. Mas tu ficas cá mais algum tempo."(Yes. I will take Jacinta and Francisco soon. But you are to stay here some time longer.)
The Portuguese word "algum" does not translate to "little."
The word algum is used "to indicate an unspecified number or quantity" or "relatively many but unspecified in number"...see for yourself here at a Portuguese-English dictionary: http://lookwayup.com/lwu.exe/lwu/toEng?s=d&w=algum&slang=Por
Scandalous! I got it here
If Pius XII did not do it right 1942 by his consecration of the world, nor in 1948 by his consecration of specifically Russia, then what on earth makes you think that JPII did by not not even mentioning Russia?
re:The errors of Russia will not go away overnight. As I mentioned, this will be accomplished in God’s time, not yours.
That’s your flawed personal opinion. and your example is also in eror. When Portugal was consecrated almost overnight there was a great Catholic spiritual uprising and God toppled the masonic socialist government, and the greatest Catholic leader of the 20th century was provided and sustained by God (he could have been assasinated by the Masons like Gabriel Garcia Moreno) for almost 50 years.
re:The errors of Russia will not go away overnight. As I mentioned, this will be accomplished in God’s time, not yours.
That’s your flawed personal opinion. and your example is also in eror. When Portugal was consecrated almost overnight there was a great Catholic spiritual uprising and God toppled the masonic socialist government, and the greatest Catholic leader of the 20th century was provided and sustained by God (he could have been assasinated by the Masons like Gabriel Garcia Moreno) for almost 50 years. Portugal was spared by God from the barbaric Spanish Civil War, and WWII!
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