Posted on 12/05/2010 6:14:57 PM PST by RnMomof7
Do you mean her Assumption or Dormiiton? As for it being recent better brush up on your history of Christian beliefs.
Most of what Jesus is recorded to have said is included in the New Testament.
However, the Law was still in effect until His death and resurrection. The new covenant did not take effect until that time. Therefore, most of the events recorded in the gospels, correctly quality as Old Testament occurrences as Jesus was in the process of fulfilling the law.
Jesus is also God. The trinity and all that.
**Mary was the Ark of the New Covenant — carrying Christ within her womb. Of course, she was pure and sinless. Why would anyone ever doubt that?**
That’s carnal interpretation of scripture. The mother’s blood does not flow through the veins and arteries of the fetus.
Maybe you might interpret this scripture: “Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body thou hast prepared me”.
WHOOO prepared the body?
IMO, that passage has the soul of Christ speaking to Almighty God.
Mary was the most fortunate virgin to be blessed with being used to HELP bring forth the body. She did not remain a virgin after the birth of the Christ child (welding goggles on). She did NOT create more of God. That’s not possible. The part she helped bring forth suffered and died. God is a Spirit, and cannot die.
RnMomof7, you shouldn’t start threads threads like this. There is a college in South Bend, IN, that is named in French, in reference to Mary, and has once again fielded a mediocre football team. Many RCs are not happy about that.
The same thing, odd that. And what flavor of Presbyterian are you?
No Catholics do not believe Jesus sinned. The point was to show quoting scriptue only leads to a problem. Where the scripture said “All have sinned”.
You may understand Jesus did not sin as I do, but the point showed how special understanding other than that scripture was needed and that is a point made against Catholic all the time yet here is a scripture only proponents says this.
David was a man after God’s own heart, but he was an adulterous murderer.
You are exactly right. And every one that God used was imperfect because all men are. And we know that because God tells us.
He gives us the grace to fulfilled what He has called us to.
Where’s the trashing?
Is there something in there that is not supported by Scripture?
I don’t think the question is what God COULD do but what He DID do. What does the record of Mary’s life and the fact that she died as others died tell us?
Is she called sinless? Did she age and die as did Adam and Eve? Did she have to make a sin offering at the temple?
Could she give birth to a sinless son? Yes as the child was produced when “Holy Spirit” overshadowed Mary. Thus no requirement that Mary herself be sinless and no indication in the Scriptures that she was.
Do NOT carry arguments from one thread to another. That is flame baiting.
In the bible, it talks about the sin of the Fathers, not the mothers.
Jesus “father” was God (Elohim). Jesus was immaculately created without the normal process.
Mary (and Joseph) both were descended of the “correct” tribe.
In fact, Rahab was a in Jesus’ lineage.
Since God specially dispensated Jesus’s birth, I am sure “supposed issue” of how can a sinful being bear a sinless offspring does not apply.
If you believe ALL of Jesus’s traits must be derived from Mary, then must not Mary then be fully God Also? See how the logic breaks down!
let’s not assume Jesus’s creation must “play” by the rules of a normal man...
If we don’t then we have to “create” doctrine to justify our inferences......
"For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God, not of works, lest any man should boast." Eph. 2:8,9.
The RCC has never saved anyone. The finished work of Christ and that alone, saves. The RCC has no more power over you, if you are saved, than a bloviating, threatening bully on a playground. All the threats and 'knowledge' and 'power' are figments of men's imaginations in a desperate attempt to keep the ignorant from seeing and believing the truth of God's word. Whom the Son sets free is free indeed. God is not mocked. Especially by religion.
Only Jesus was without sin. Everyone else is human.
Sounds a bit odd like that.
Everyone is human. "Like his brothers in every way, yet without sin."
You realize your post 129 makes the point of intersession. If Mary simple prodding of her son Jesus caused him to do something he originally did not intend to do and yet did it. That is Love for ones Mother and speaks wonders to have Mary petitioning Jesus for you.
The "Immaculate Conception" was made up out of whole cloth.
Wasn't "The Immaculate Conception" the conception of Jesus? To my knowledge only Jesus and Adam were created without the introduction of male and female sex cells (sperm and ovum).
I thought the "Immaculate" part of Jesus' Immaculate Conception was the fact that Mary "had not known man."
As far as Mary being "full of Grace," any forgiven sinner can tell describe the sensation of being "full of Grace."
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