Posted on 12/05/2010 6:14:57 PM PST by RnMomof7
And Augustine was perfect and error free, right?
“She is much more active than a lot of other saints.”
Doing what? and how is this known?
Again, this thread is flame baiting. It is a deliberate effort to circumvent the Admin Moderator locking the prior thread.
I still maintain that since Jesus was tempted in every way as we are and yet was without sin, he HAD to have had brothers and sisters.
There’s nothing like sibling rivalry to test the quality of one’s character.
Can you see it now????
Mary: James, why can’t you be more like Jesus? He always does what he’s told without talking back.
Or imagine the siblings setting Jesus up to try to get him in trouble with mom and dad.
Does he tattle or not?
Would they have not provoked him to fight? Propped a bucket of water over the door to dump on him when he opened it and stood back and laughed?
Life would have been so much easier with a perfect mother and no siblings to contend with.
Amen. I would never say otherwise. I can not imagine you or I saying that Him being fully human meant He had any sin within Him.
I meant that if being human automatically meant being a sinner one might mistakenly think Jesus too came under sin. Which would be major wrong.
Mary was preserved from the stain of original sin by the merits of Jesus Christ. He saved her. She needed a Savior. Jesus being God had no need for a Savior even in HIs incarnation.
In a word: “No”
“The Catholic Church herself admits that much of Mariology lacks scriptural support. Fine.”
Really I missed that update can you send me the official link where the Church did so?
>>“She is much more active than a lot of other saints.”<<
Lourdes, Guadalupe, Fatima, Zeitoun — she has stayed engaged.
And she is quite beloved in the Catholic church and those who bash those who love her are, quite frankly, pretty mean and petty people who have a narrow view of God and Jesus and what constitutes prayer and salvation.
Go for it RnMomof7, start throwing around the word, slander, we just booted another member who liked using the word ‘libel’ just a bit too much - Jim loves it when people start threatening legal action against his forum or its members...
We have to go to the scriptures, which unequivocally show that Mary was a sinner.
Many catholics have a strong inclination to follow the ancient worship of Ishtar/Semiramis, substituting Mary as a proxy.
All the titles that catholics ascribe to “Mary” are historically those of Ishtar. (Mother of God, Queen of Heaven, etc.)
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“Mary was the most fortunate virgin to be blessed with being used to HELP bring forth the body. She did not remain a virgin after the birth of the Christ child (welding goggles on). She did NOT create more of God. That’s not possible.
The part she helped bring forth suffered and died. God is a Spirit, and cannot die.”
Does this mean that you don’t believe that Christ was both human and divine? Part of him died? Heresy.
God died on the cross for our sins. Remember we are talking about the Trinity. You cannot separate the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. They are one.
She is also beloved by the Orthodox.
>>Mary was preserved from the stain of original sin by the merits of Jesus Christ. He saved her. She needed a Savior. Jesus being God had no need for a Savior even in HIs incarnation.<<
Your words fall upon deaf ears. The bashers shall have their romp, since they both fear and envy the love of and from the Virgin Mary and, by extension, Catholics.
“I firmly believe that Mary, according to the words of the gospel as a pure Virgin brought forth for us the Son of God and in childbirth and after childbirth forever remained a pure, intact Virgin.”12 Zwingli used Exodus 4:22 to defend the doctrine of Mary’s perpetual virginity.
ALL have sinned and come short of God's glory.
Mary was a sinful human being, just like the rest of us,
and needed a Savior, just like the rest of us.
Jesus Shed Blood covered her sins, just as it covers ours.
Let’s stop with this nonsense of tearing the Body of Christ apart. The notion of dividing Christians one against the other is rooted in nothing but evil.
I found this at the Acton Institute Blog earlier today. It might be good for everyone to read it in full. I share an excerpt:
“Last night a band of hearty travelers braved the first snow of the season here in Grand Rapids (and the attendant slick and dangerous roads) to hear Dr. John H. Armstrong speak at the November/December Acton on Tap, “Ecumenism and the Threat of Ideology.” Dr. Armstrong is founder of ACT 3 and adjunct professor of evangelism at Wheaton College.
Armstrong spent some time discussing the thesis of his book, Your Church is Too Small: Why Unity in Christ’s Mission Is Vital to the Future of the Church. A recurring theme was the phrase coined by Timothy George, “ecumenism in the trenches,” which is sometimes how we describe what we do here at Acton. The basic point of Armstrong’s book is that Christians must be able to come together to work in concrete ways in order to be an effective and faithful witness to Jesus Christ in the culture and the world.
As Peter writes, we are to “Live such good lives among the pagans that, though they accuse you of doing wrong, they may see your good deeds and glorify God on the day he visits us” (1 Peter 2:12 NIV). Undoubtedly this call to live “good lives” means showing love to other people, “especially to those who belong to the family of believers” (Galatians 6:10 NIV).”
Acton on Tap: Ecumenism and the Threat of Ideology
http://blog.acton.org/
And, of course, let’s not forget the last prayer of Jesus before He went to be with the Father:
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“I pray not only for them, but also for those who will believe in me through their word,
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so that they may all be one, as you, Father, are in me and I in you, that they also may be in us, that the world may believe that you sent me.
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And I have given them the glory you gave me, so that they may be one, as we are one,
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I in them and you in me, that they may be brought to perfection as one, that the world may know that you sent me, and that you loved them even as you loved me. (John 17)
May God grant us all HIS Holy Spirit to grow us in the gifts and fruits of that same Spirit. Amen
The Incarnation refers to the Holy Spirit overshadowing Mary.
The Immaculate Conception refers to Mary without original sin.
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