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Quit pestering us, church leaders tell membership in letter
Mormon Coffee (Mormonism Research Ministry) ^ | Nov. 22, 2010 | Eric Johnson

Posted on 12/29/2010 12:07:25 PM PST by Colofornian

On October 24th, the LDS First Presidency (led by Prophet Thomas S. Monson) wrote several letters that were to be read in Mormon Sunday services around the world. According to examiner.com, the first letter was “likely spurred by Boyd K. Packer’s most recent General Conference talk entitled ‘Cleansing the Inner Vessel.’ Church Headquarters has been receiving an increased amount of correspondence from its members about doctrinal issues. Because of this influx of correspondence, the First Presidency reminded and encouraged LDS church members to utilize their local church authorities – bishops, branch presidents, stake presidents, etc — before resorting to contacting Church Headquarters.”

In other words, the Mormon laity was told to quit bothering their church leadership on issues related to doctrine. We can only wonder why the church is apparently receiving so many inquiries. Could it be that Christians are asking their Mormon friends and family members difficult questions who are unable to provide satisfactory answers? Regardless, the leadership apparently feels the number of questions is overwhelming their resources. I just can’t imagine Isaiah, Jeremiah, and Malachi writing in the Old Testament, “You people are asking too many questions. We’re too busy doing other things, so leave us alone.” Yet this appears to be the attitude of Monson and his two advisers.

Since Monson and his counselors are supposed to have a direct connection with God—they are, after all, leaders of God’s supposedly restored church—it would seem that they have the necessary resources at their disposal to provide answers. Just direct the general authorities speaking at the biannual general conferences to deal with these befuddling issues. But Monson and the other leaders weren’t born yesterday. They know that deferring to local leaders means the hierarchy can distance themselves from any answers brought forth by bishops, stake presidents, and others below the general authority level. Their answers can not be considered official doctrine, so if they come up with unpopular responses or even contradict Mormon teaching, nobody will call their answers “official doctrine.” Letting the lower leaders take the heat keeps the pressure off those in Salt Lake City. Smart move.

I can only imagine the questions being asked that the LDS leadership would rather avoid, including:

* Is it true that Joseph Smith was married to some 34 different women at the same time, 11 of whom were already married to other men and 11 who were teenagers?

* How do I answer my Christian friends who have been showing me this DNA video saying there is no scientific connection between Native Americans and the Lamanites talked about in the Book of Mormon?

* President Monson, there must be archaeological evidence to support the Book of Mormon story, but I’m being told there’s none. Can you please direct me to these artifacts?

* Is it true that three of the apostles have been spiritually married in the temple to second wives for eternity?

* If we believe in free agency, then why is our church trying to buy a street in Manti in order to keep Christians from sharing their faith near the pageant grounds?

* I’ve been shown some very difficult verses in the Bible about salvation, as my Christian friends say it’s possible to know that we are forgiven because it’s not based on my efforts. It seems to contradict the way I’ve been taught. How can I answer?

* Why does our church emphasize Gethsemane for the atonement rather than the cross?

* I need direction on the Virgin Birth. We don’t believe there was some type of physical union between Heavenly Father and Mary, do we?

Are you able to see why the church had to write this letter?


TOPICS: Apologetics; History; Other Christian; Theology
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To: restornu
You seems to be clueless to the topic
 
 
You're one to talk!

Have you ever asked yourself any of these questions:

What is the purpose of my life?
Where did I come from?
Why am I here?
Where am I going?

What did Joseph Smith supposedly LEARN to be UNTRUE about PRESBYTERIANism?


241 posted on 12/31/2010 12:46:18 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu
I know you do that is why you adhere to Nicene Creed!:)

Why don't YOU 'adhere' to what GOD told you in your scriptures?

D&C 132???

242 posted on 12/31/2010 12:47:26 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Cronos
...the Book of Abraham is just an excerpt from the ancient egyptian book of the dead, dedicated to the god Anubus.

The MORMON god!

243 posted on 12/31/2010 12:48:50 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Cronos
We're having a discussion here and your extreme fonts are just distracting if not irritating.

Do you REALLY think you are 'discussing' anything with the likes of these?

PLEASE!

244 posted on 12/31/2010 12:50:56 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Cronos
I object to you using insults like "Yes/no must be REAL foreign concept to MORMONs."

That ain't no insult; that is a FACTUAL statement that SHOWS how some MORMONs have no desire to discuss anything; especially RESTORNU.

245 posted on 12/31/2010 12:53:43 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Cronos
6. does not answer a simple question: why is there no trace of cultural practises brought down from these Lamanites / Nephites.

There ya go!

246 posted on 12/31/2010 12:55:31 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Cronos
The extreme fonts and screams serves their purpose so they can sit back and say ‘oh, pity us poor persecuted ones’.

They serve MY purpose to lift out salient points buried from within the mountains of words that LDS 'apologists' throw at their 'persecutors'.

247 posted on 12/31/2010 12:57:49 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Cronos
Is he real?

He's closer to being a Nephiite than any they've come up with yet!

248 posted on 12/31/2010 12:59:34 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: T Minus Four

Your post had nothing to do with my post which was the topic of DNA!

So stop trying to hyjack!

Each are here to be tried and tested and the trials and tribulation testify to that!


249 posted on 12/31/2010 1:22:15 PM PST by restornu
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To: Cronos

Some day your worldly approach will fall short

For the things of spirit come from the Lord


250 posted on 12/31/2010 1:28:59 PM PST by restornu
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To: Elsie; Paragon Defender

Thank you for proving how you have twisted the word of God!


251 posted on 12/31/2010 1:49:04 PM PST by restornu
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To: restornu

New Years Eve Placemarker


252 posted on 12/31/2010 3:25:20 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: All

With 2010 in the rear view mirror, it might be wise to
reflect on how short our lives are.

Eventually, we will all be extinct - just as the worthy
and ancient Mormonic Curelom has disappeared from the face of the earth!

[Cue the music]

As dawn breaks over mesoAmerica, the trumpeting screams of the hairy curelom fiercely echo over the surrounding cites.

Iron-workers interrupt their production of vast metal works, cities that stretched from sea to shining sea hush in anticipation of another wonderful day in mormon-land.

Just last week, the mormon Jesus had visited to let native Americans know they were really Jews! What a wonderful time to be alive!!!

Flash forward.

America today: If a native American Curelom was watching, he would have a tear in his eye...

All original cities, vanished, leaving nothing behind - not even a cigar butt!

Not even a single foundation of a single iron-worker’s furnace remains.

Not even a single metal work produced here.

And, as it turns out, Cureloms didn’t have bones. Apparently, Cureloms had the structure of jellyfish and today, no evidence remains of their once proud reign!

Only the savage cry of the curelom remains in the brains of mormons who “just believe”, despite any physical evidence.

Only the ring of the ancient iron-workers hammer echos in the minds of mormons who “just believe”, despite the amazing disappearance of millions of metal works.

Only the cheerful laughter remains in the minds of mormons, who insist millions of people lived in cities across America - because Joseph Smith said so!

As it turns out, they too, had the structure of jellyfish.

No bones.
No metalworks.
No cities.
No Cureloms.

A tear wells up in the corner of the imaginary Mormonic Curelom, envisioned within the brain of mormons today.

And the Jewish Indians?

Gone. Replaced with imposters (!) who no longer carry Jewish DNA.

Ah, but the piercing cry of the Curelom remains!!!

They will testify! Oh, how mormons will testify of the Curelom. Joe said!!!

ampu

:-)


253 posted on 12/31/2010 3:29:33 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: restornu
Worldly approach?

To believe that American Indians are descendents of ancient Israelites is historically/ genetically / linguistically / archaeologically false

all historical / genetic / archaeological / linguistic evidence shows that native Americans have no trace of Semitic roots at all.

the Lamanites and Nephites did not exist -- they were made-up, a fictional group of people made-up by J Smith
254 posted on 12/31/2010 11:04:32 PM PST by Cronos (Kto jestem? Nie wiem! Ale moj Bog wie!)
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To: restornu
Mormonism cannot explain the FACT that lamanites/nephites are a work of fiction.

it
1. does not answer a simple question: why is there no trace of Israeli/Judaic genes in native Americans (if Native Americans are supposedly descendents of Nephites/Lamanites -- a fictional Israeli group) when genetic research shows a distinctive Jewish haplogroup found in Israeli communities from East AFrica to Yemen to India. Furthermore, the native Americans do not even have vaguely Semitic genes to relate them to any Semites.

2. does not answer a simple question: why is there no trace of any Semitic languages in any Native American languges. SEmitic languages have distinctive elements The roots of verbs and most nouns in the Semitic languages are characterized as a sequence of consonants or "radicals" (hence also the term consonantal root). Such abstract consonantal roots are used in the derivation of actual words by adding the vowels and non-root consonants (or "transfixes") which go with a particular morphological category around the root consonants, in an appropriate way, generally following specific patterns. It is a peculiarity of Semitic linguistics that a large majority of these consonantal roots are triliterals (although there are a number of quadriliterals, and in some languages also biliterals). which Native American languages do not

3. does not answer a simple question: why is there no trace of archaeological elements (pottery, weapons, writings, skeletons, city walls, etc.) of Lamanites or Nephites or any Semites in North AMerica. REmember that they are supposed to have come in 600 BC and in 600 BC in the Old World they were using the wheel, which was not yet developed in the Americas -- but no trace of this. There is none of the Old World technology found here, not even in weaponry or agriculture or town-building. In contrast we have a lot of archaeological artifacts of Tolmecs, Olmecs, Toltecs etc. from before 600 BC. We even have traces of nomadic native American tribes (arrow heads etc.) but none that would indicate an advanced BOM-type civilisation or even a 600 BC level Old World civilisation.


Face facts restornu -- there were no semitic peoples in pre-Columbine America. The Lamanites/Nephites are a fictional group of people made up by J Smith no more real than Hogwarts.
255 posted on 12/31/2010 11:07:19 PM PST by Cronos (Kto jestem? Nie wiem! Ale moj Bog wie!)
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To: Cronos

the Lamanites and Nephites did not exist — they were made-up, a fictional group of people made-up by J Smith

****

Cronos,You hope so!


256 posted on 01/01/2011 8:10:40 AM PST by restornu (When one wets on your legs and trys to call it rain is that not a form of deceit......)
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To: restornu

Show me a FALSEHOOD, you SLANDERer, you!

Too much champange?

Thank you for proving how you have twisted the word of God!


257 posted on 01/01/2011 8:45:52 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
“The current facts only appear wrong.

 
 
 

Welcome to MORMONism 101!

While we are waiting to start; enjoy the artwork on our walls.
If some of it seems shifty to you, just look at it real close and it will stop moving,
but another location will then start to crawl on you.

Do NOT think our DOCTRINE is this way!

258 posted on 01/01/2011 8:47:09 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu
Your post had nothing to do with my post which was the topic of DNA!

SWEETIE; you KNOW that we are to sometimes "Answer the question that SHOULD have been asked"; don't you?

--MormonDude(It is one of the very first things taught to me in Deflection Class)

259 posted on 01/01/2011 8:49:55 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu
Each are here to be tried and tested and the trials and tribulation testify to that!

Forrest said, "Stupid is as stupid does."

260 posted on 01/01/2011 8:51:20 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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