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Feeling overwhelmed [Mormonism - Open]
Mark Cares ^ | Feb. 16, 2011 | Mark Cares

Posted on 02/17/2011 12:17:20 AM PST by Colofornian

The Ensign (official LDS monthly magazine) has a regular column entitled “Questions and Answers”. Each month a different question is posed with answers supplied by LDS members. The February issue poses this question: “I often feel overwhelmed because I don’t feel I measure up to all that’s expected of me in living the gospel. How can I learn to rejoice in the gospel when I feel like I may never by able to become or do all the Lord requires of me?” This question is followed by the answers of eight different individuals. (To see the whole article, go to www.lds.org/ensign)

What struck me was how all the answers acknowledged the struggle but put the burden back on the person. The advice was to take it one step at a time; to keep priorities straight; obey the commandments; remember that the Lord is encouraging us, etc. Not once was the Lord’s forgiveness mentioned. I wonder how these answers give true lasting relief.

Here’s my answer.

I can understand why you feel you aren’t measuring up. You feel that way because you, or nobody else for that matter, can’t! Sin has so devastated us that no matter how focused we are or how much effort we exert, we will fail. Even the apostle Paul had to confess: “For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.” (Romans 7:19) Nothing is more sobering and overwhelming than taking a honest inventory of ourselves and seeing how often we don’t measure up to God’s commandments.

That is why God, in the Scriptures, tells us the wonderful news that Jesus has already done everything required – and he did all this, not just as our example, but mainly, as our substitute. “by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous” (Romans 5:19)

Seeing that is the secret to joy. Seeing that God counts me as already perfect because Jesus was perfect for me instills a joy that is truly indescribable. The key to joy is not focusing on your efforts, but on Christ’s efforts and the fact that he has already done all that is required for you. That gives me joy each and every day. I pray that you can have that same joy.


TOPICS: Ministry/Outreach; Other Christian; Religion & Culture; Theology
KEYWORDS: forgiveness; inman; lds; mormon; overwhelmed
From the commentary: The Ensign (official LDS monthly magazine) has a regular column entitled “Questions and Answers”. Each month a different question is posed with answers supplied by LDS members. The February issue poses this question: “I often feel overwhelmed because I don’t feel I measure up to all that’s expected of me in living the gospel. How can I learn to rejoice in the gospel when I feel like I may never by able to become or do all the Lord requires of me?” This question is followed by the answers of eight different individuals.

Mark Cares's response: What struck me was how all the answers acknowledged the struggle but put the burden back on the person. The advice was to take it one step at a time; to keep priorities straight; obey the commandments; remember that the Lord is encouraging us, etc. Not once was the Lord’s forgiveness mentioned. I wonder how these answers give true lasting relief...Even the apostle Paul had to confess: “For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.” (Romans 7:19) Nothing is more sobering and overwhelming than taking a honest inventory of ourselves and seeing how often we don’t measure up to God’s commandments.

We don't measure up. You can take the Mormon pull-yourself-up-by-the-bootstraps approach; or you can rely upon God's grace; His forgiveness; His strength perfected in your weakness.

The latter is truly Good News! The other? (No wonder the apostle Paul asked: 1O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? 2This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? (Gal. 3:1-3)

1 posted on 02/17/2011 12:17:24 AM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

Ya know, I too don’t feel I measure up to all that God wants me to be.

But, I’ve come to accept that God expects me to do my best, earnestly and that is his plan.

We were put here to build our spiritual character.


2 posted on 02/17/2011 12:25:38 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously..... You won't live through it anyway.)
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To: Colofornian

Ho boy!

How about if one start from God’s point of view “There is none worthy, no, not one” and you can progress from there?

It’s not a race, there are no points and your conscience will compel a new course or just keep scratching at the top of your brain.

God’s point is we can never be perfect. We are man and will break from perfect righteousness.

Give yourself a break. You ain’t ever going to be worthy but you will always be forgiven.

You are God the Father’s child and he welcomes you... always.


3 posted on 02/17/2011 12:32:00 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously..... You won't live through it anyway.)
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To: Vendome; All
Ya know, I too don’t feel I measure up to all that God wants me to be.

Well, this is where I believe Gal. 2:20 kicks in: I have been crucified with Christ...no longer I who live but Christ who lives in me."

I think this life is a matter of decreasing who we are (as John the Baptist said, "I must decrease; He must increase") -- and the best way is to simply yield...surrender. Concede our weaknesses; our frailties; our "we can't go on" times. And simply ask God to live and continue on in and through us.

Isn't that what the Holy Spirit indwelling us is meant to yield? (His fruit? Not ours)

We were put here to build our spiritual character.

Yes. Character as that of Christ's. Christlikeness. Godliness. And in this way, God thinks a lot longer term than we do.

Mormonism confuses the transferable characteristics of Christ (like His virtues and Moral nature) with that which is not: Like becoming divine; or competing with God for the worship of others.

If there's a bottom line that Mormons should stop and contemplate, it's this: If a temple Mormon is currently exercising his options to become a god, does he know he is intending to steal glory from God? Does he know that every time he would receive worship and prayer from the beings on his planet, that is worship & prayer meant for God alone?

Idolatry is serious business.

4 posted on 02/17/2011 1:11:23 AM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

Zactly...


5 posted on 02/17/2011 1:16:10 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously..... You won't live through it anyway.)
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To: Colofornian

“And he said, Woe unto you also, ye lawyers! for ye lade men with burdens grievous to be borne, and ye yourselves touch not the burdens with one of your fingers.” [Luke 11:46, KJV.]

“For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light. [Matthew 11:30, KJV.]

It’s very sad to read that a person is trying to set their heart right with the Lord, but misguided by a system they have been taught is the only way. When with the Lord, it is only right that s/he be able to rejoice. If not, something is badly off.

I just wish the one posing the question on the site would have go on to explain further, “...never by able to become or do all the Lord requires of me?”


6 posted on 02/17/2011 4:00:01 AM PST by SouthernClaire
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To: Colofornian
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life, whether he wears the funny “sacred” underwear, or enters the “sacred” celestial marriage, or follows the “sacred’ temple protocol or abstains from the demon caffeine or ...
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves. It is the gift of God, not of works, lest any man should boast.
7 posted on 02/17/2011 4:05:00 AM PST by flowerplough (Thomas Sowell: Those who look only at Obama's deeds tend to become Obama's critics.)
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To: Colofornian

Utah, particularly Utah women, lead the nation in use and abuse of mood-altering prescriptions.

Perfection, aside from being impossible, is a difficult load to bear, especially when you have to put on a mask and act like everything’s fine in public.


8 posted on 02/17/2011 4:51:24 AM PST by lurk
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To: All
Seekers of truth,

If you peruse the Free Republic religion forums you will notice a pattern. There's an anti-Mormon group of people here that spends a great deal of their time attacking the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. They post regurgitated propaganda on an almost daily basis.

They have a misguided obsession. You can witness many different tactics employed that you might find quite interesting. The straw man argument is a big favorite and is frequently preceded by cherry-picking quotes or other material. After the "quotation" the attacker will misrepresent what has been said or what was meant and then attack their own interpretation.Later they will have the audacity to claim they were "only" quoting our own material.  

They will of course insist ad nauseum that they are merely using our sources and are therefore innocent of any deceptive practice. LDS persons have no issue whatsoever having our scriptures or leaders quoted as long as it is presented fairly and accurately. This is rarely (if ever) done.

Another favorite is posting scripture or statements which on their own really present no dilemma. They make something out of nothing while never bringing up a single objection that hasn't been addressed a hundred times before.

You might note a couple of other tactics used to try to antagonize is the use of disrespectful or insulting terms or language and/or pictures. That's a Christlike thing to do right? Yeah I don't think so either. It does speak volumes about them though.

Some of them claim being some sort of special witness to you as being supposedly former Mormons. So someone who is an ex-member of any organization would never have an axe to grind or have reason to try to justify their actions by any means? Perhaps not but perhaps so. The LDS Church gains members from other denominations as well as others faiths all the time. This doesn't make them an expert on anything and you certainly won't hear them attacking their forner Church.

Frequently they cruise the headlines of the day seeking any story that might be twisted into making the Church look bad. Anything will do, just watch the progression of posts following it and see what I mean.

After reading their posts, I invite you to seek the truth about whatever "issue" they seem to be "revealing" or "exposing". I promise that if you do so with honest intent, the "ahah" moments you will have will be many and frequent. You will start to recognize the tactics employed to cleverly twist and attack and will likely chuckle the more you see. In actuality, there's nothing new here. It's all been addressed many times before.

The latest twist in the anti-Mormon propaganda machine is to actually go to the links provided, but then they cherry pick what they want, then quote and straw man attack that. Clever. It almost appears that they are helping you, the seeker of truth out by doing some footwork for you. Not so much. Don't be insulted, look for yourself. It's not the haystack they want you to think.

Here's a few links to get your started from a different viewpoint. I have found that the vast majority of the "issues" brought up can be found and addressed at http://www.fairlds.org/ but here's more:

http://scriptures.lds.org/
http://www.lds.org
http://www.fairlds.org/
http://www.mormonapologetics.org/
http://www.mormonwiki.com/Main_Page
http://www.lightplanet.com/response/index.html
http://www.jefflindsay.com/LDS_Intro.shtml
http://www.answeringantimormons.com/index.htm
http://promormon.blogspot.com/

Now you will likely notice the "you never address or answer our points" posts pop up as usual. All after providing the answers just as you have here.

Sometimes it is claimed that these sites present a needle in a haystack. Far from it. But if you give up before you try you won't know will you? They often state that these sites provide no answer. They just don't want you looking. It is as simple as that.

Will you wear blinders too? Seek truth. Find out for yourself. Want to chat with someone on any topic? A few of these sites provide just that. So do your homework sincere seeker of truth. Listen and read from both "sides". Make up your own mind.

I witness to you of these truths and wish you the best, in the name of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Amen.

 


9 posted on 02/17/2011 5:30:18 AM PST by Paragon Defender
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To: Paragon Defender

An OFFICIAL lds magazine with questions and answers from lds and yet you still post links from unofficial lds sites. Strange.


10 posted on 02/17/2011 6:15:17 AM PST by svcw (God in His own time not ours)
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To: Paragon Defender
 
From Time magazine's article "Kingdom Come"
 
The first divergence between Mormon economics and that of other denominations is the tithe. Most churches take in the greater part of their income through donations. Very few, however, impose a compulsory 10% income tax on their members. Tithes are collected locally, with much of the money passed on informally to local lay leaders at Sunday services. "By Monday," says Elbert Peck, editor of Sunstone, an independent Mormon magazine, the church authorities in Salt Lake City "know every cent that's been collected and have made sure the money is deposited in banks." There is a lot to deposit. Last year $5.2 billion in tithes flowed into Salt Lake City, $4.9 billion of which came from American Mormons.  (1997)

Link

Click on the kitty

11 posted on 02/17/2011 6:47:00 AM PST by greyfoxx39 ("This administration has turned off America's beacon to the world for freedom and left darkness")
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To: svcw; Paragon Defender; All
An OFFICIAL lds magazine with questions and answers from lds and yet you still post links from unofficial lds sites. Strange.

ALL: Yes, svcw has caught the strange irony. Here a thread's been posted where it says, "To see the whole article, go to www.lds.org/ensign)."

Yet Mormon 'gon Def comes on & quickly says (in effect): "Pay no attention to those official Lds men behind the Ensign screen; instead you need to focus on the unofficial screens I've placed in front of you -- you know, the fire & smoke down the huge cavernous hallway; listen only to the thundering voice of the Mormon apologists!"

12 posted on 02/17/2011 7:18:49 AM PST by Colofornian
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To: lurk

Been there, done that, paid the money, saw the movie and wore the underwear. It is a horrible burden for Utah women who must be seen as perfect, even though perfection is far beyond our reach.


13 posted on 02/17/2011 7:27:37 AM PST by colorcountry (Comforting lies are not your friends. Painful truths are not your enemies.)
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To: Paragon Defender

Oh what are you objecting to this time, for the love of Mike? Nothing but sympathy and kind words have been offered for the poor people struggling with this.

What would your advice be PD? Be like you? Never falter, never fail?


14 posted on 02/17/2011 7:41:41 AM PST by T Minus Four ("If Mormonism were a cult, I would know it and I would not be in it")
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To: colorcountry

I found this interesting in the link:

Deseret News, Feb. 27, 1856, 402
President Brigham Young explained this doctrine: “If I do not know the will of my Father, and what he requires of me in a certain transaction, if I ask him to give me wisdom concerning any requirement in life or in regard to my own course, or that of my friends, my family, my children, or those that I preside over, and get no answer from him, and then do the very best that my judgment will teach me, he is bound to own and honor that transaction, and he will do so to all intents and purposes.”

BY is saying here that if he asks the lds god and the lds god does not respond and he does his (BY) best that the lds god is bound to his (BY) actions. That man can dictate to the lds god, the lds god’s actions, not very godly if you ask me.


15 posted on 02/17/2011 7:54:21 AM PST by svcw (God in His own time not ours)
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To: Colofornian

“I often feel overwhelmed because I don’t feel I measure up to all that’s expected of me in living the gospel. How can I learn to rejoice in the gospel when I feel like I may never by able to become or do all the Lord requires of me?”
________________________________________________

By coming out of that dreary trap of the devil called mormonism and believing in and being free and joyful in the LORD Jesus Christ of the Christian Bible, who is God...

To the Jews who had believed Him, Jesus said, “If you hold to My teaching, you are really My disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”

The scribes and Pharisees said to Him, “We are Abraham’s descendants and have never been slaves of anyone. How can you say that we shall be set free?”

Jesus replied, “I tell you the truth, everyone who sins is a slave to sin. Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.

I know you are Abraham’s descendants. Yet you are ready to kill Me, because you have no room for my Word. I am telling you what I have seen in the Father’s presence, and you do what you have heard from your father.”

“Abraham is our father,” they answered.

“If you were Abraham’s children,” said Jesus, “then you would do the things Abraham did. As it is, you are determined to kill Me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham did not do such things. You are doing the things your own father does.”

“We are not illegitimate children,” they protested. “The only Father we have is God himself.”

Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but He sent Me. Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say.

You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me! Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me? He who belongs to God hears what God says.

The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.” John 8:31-47


16 posted on 02/17/2011 7:56:53 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: svcw
BY is saying here that if he asks the lds god and the lds god does not respond and he does his (BY) best that the lds god is bound to his (BY) actions. That man can dictate to the lds god, the lds god’s actions, not very godly if you ask me.

Exactly! Mormon's believe that a covenant is a two way street, and if they do what the mormon god demands, then the mo-god is obligated to give them exactly what they think he promised. That was once of the first chinks in the armor of Mormonism for me - that bad things happen to good people.

17 posted on 02/17/2011 8:03:25 AM PST by colorcountry (Comforting lies are not your friends. Painful truths are not your enemies.)
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To: svcw

Say what? So if their “god” doesn’t answer a prayer, they are free to do whatever they like and their god is REQUIRED to honor it?


18 posted on 02/17/2011 8:09:44 AM PST by T Minus Four ("If Mormonism were a cult, I would know it and I would not be in it")
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To: colorcountry

How do Mormons explain non-Mormons who have lived “blessed” lives? Large fortunes, many children, large houses, new cars, etc, all the earthly treasures that Mormonism wears like a badge of godliness?

I remember a while back a certain poster, she-who-must-not-be-pinged, insisted that that’s how she knew Mormonism was true, by the prosperity that has been given her family.


19 posted on 02/17/2011 8:15:29 AM PST by T Minus Four ("If Mormonism were a cult, I would know it and I would not be in it")
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To: T Minus Four

Apparently.


20 posted on 02/17/2011 8:20:05 AM PST by svcw (God in His own time not ours)
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To: T Minus Four
How do Mormons explain non-Mormons who have lived “blessed” lives? Large fortunes, many children, large houses, new cars, etc, all the earthly treasures that Mormonism wears like a badge of godliness?

Satan's temptations? << shrug>>

21 posted on 02/17/2011 8:21:19 AM PST by colorcountry (Comforting lies are not your friends. Painful truths are not your enemies.)
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To: T Minus Four
I remember a while back a certain poster, she-who-must-not-be-pinged, insisted that that’s how she knew Mormonism was true, by the prosperity that has been given her family.

By that reasoning, the Saudi King must be a Mormon Prophet with all his money, children and harem of women.

I like how Mormons say because Joseph Smith said so. That's suppose to end all arguments.

22 posted on 02/17/2011 8:21:26 AM PST by dragonblustar ("... and if you disagree with me, then you sir, are worse than Hitler!" - Greg Gutfeld)
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Posting from actual lds links, posting actual lds words -exposing mormonISM for what it actually is - place marker


23 posted on 02/17/2011 8:27:25 AM PST by svcw (God in His own time not ours)
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To: Paragon Defender

24 posted on 02/17/2011 8:57:27 AM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: ejonesie22
PLACEMARKER ➝ ➝ ➝ ➝ ➝ ➝ ➝ ➝ ➝ ➝ ➝ ➝ ⊗
25 posted on 02/17/2011 9:04:11 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Colofornian

I feel like I may never by able to become or do all the Lord requires of me
________________________________________________

Good you are suppose to feel like that...

God is able...you are not...

Now unto Him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us, Unto Him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen. Ephesians 3:20, 21

And whatsoever ye shall ask in My name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If ye shall ask any thing in My name, I will do it. John 14:13, 14

Lets look at that statement...

1. all that (the lord) requires of me...

Who, what which is “the lord” according to mormons ???

When a mormon mentions “the lord” what does that mormon mean ???

Are the “requirements” written down somewhere ???

When we read the Christian bible and what the LORD Jesus Christ has to say, we find that there are no individual requirements set just for a particular person...

the requirements are the same for all believers...

So if the lowest person on the totem pole must do something so must the one at the top...

However in mormonism the highest guy, Tommy Monson does not do what he requires of the peons...

For instance, Ask Tommy Monson demands that the lowly members of mormonism clean the toilets of the mormon buildings..

Ask Tommy Monson calls this unpaid employment a “calling” from the mormon god...

Thus something that is one of those “all the lord requires”

Since this secular activity is consdered “holy” in mormon circles why doesnt more-holier-than-any-other Ask Tommy insist on doing all the toilets himself so that he will be holier even more so ???

His amount of “holiness” could cause all those toilets to be sparkly-clean-eat-off in 2 seconds flat...

another point would be the greed err need for the mormon god to use the tithes and offerings of the lowly members to buy land, businesses, build malls that only Ask Tommy and a selected few could afford to shop in..

Why isnt Ask Tommy and the Romneys and the Marriotts and the other multi billionaire mormon CEOs not forking over all their money till it hurts as they require the lowly mormons to do ???

Plus theres the new resorts which the lowly mormons will also not be able to afford to stay at...

Why would Ask Tommy go to a place his followers could not go ???

The LORD Jesus Christ never went anywhere good that we cannot go to...

Hes coming back to take us to that wonderful resort called Heaven...

Hes already bought and paid for our tickets and rooms and food and activities and vacation clothes with His blood upon the Cross..

Whens the last time Ask Tommy ever took some poor widow women or other poor people to Hawaii ???

Whens the last time Ask Tommy ever let his wallet bleed outside his little cabal circle of fellow henchmen who would pay him back ???

No little mormon, its not God who makes these “requirements” of you...

Its Ask Tommy and his cohorts who demand from you your money and time for their glory and advancement and to line their pockets...

God gets nothing from your slavery to the demonic institution called mormonism...

2. I may never be able to become or do

we were never meant to struggle along, alone, and try to do it all ourselves...

Thats why the LORD Jesus Christ sent us the Holy Ghost ...

To be a helper, a comforter, a teacher, a guide...

And I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter, that He may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth Him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know Him; for He dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. John 14:16:18

But the Comforter, who is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in My name, He shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. John 14:26

Howbeit when He, the Spirit of Truth, is come, He will guide you into all truth: for He shall not speak of Himself; but whatsoever He shall hear, that shall He speak: and He will shew you things to come. John 16:13

and thats just another glaring difference betwen mormonism and Christianity

Mormonism is not Christianity...


26 posted on 02/17/2011 9:16:43 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Paragon Defender
An Open Letter to Mormons who are
sincere about their faith...
 
(and are embarrassed! by the posts of self-styled
"defender-mormons" who can't or won't defend)
 
If you peruse the Free Republic religion forums
you will notice a pattern. There’s a group of
Christians who spend a great deal of time posting
from Official Mormon Sources - both the Book of
Mormon as well as Mormon Prophets and Church
materials - real quotes from real mormon materials.
 
You will also notice that many of these Christians
are former Mormons who left Mormonism and come to
know the Biblical Jesus Christ and His Gospel of Grace.
 
They have a passion to reach Mormons to share what
they learned about Salvation by grace and apart
from the never ending treadmill of human works...
 
Of course, they are attacked regularly by a very,
small group of Mormons who have zeal, but no real
knowledge beyond what the Mormon Church has told
them. You've seen this with your own eyes on this
thread and others, so I'm not telling you anything
you don't already know.
 
Why can't these so-called "defenders" provide any:
 
… Objective Facts
… Objective Evidence
… Or Logical support
 
Anything OBJECTIVE that any reasonable person would
see and agree that it lends support the claims of
Mormonism.
 
Why can't they do this?
 
If Mormonism is true, why is it based only on
subjective feelings and why doesn't it have the
same kind of objective support the Bible does?
 
Has God changed?
 
Is He no longer able to weave His story into history,
into the fabric of human DNA, into the findings of
archeology, and into geography? Do you believe He has
become powerless?
 
I bet you do not believe that.
 
So why would God provide every kind of objective support
for the Bible's rich history and none for the Book of
Mormon? Why?
 
These "defenders" post links over and over again that
“address” things yet never provide an answer that is
buttressed by the ring of truth, echoed by history,
archeology, genetics, geography, etc.
 
If they could support the claims of Mormonism with facts,
you know they would. But it never happens here. You may
be new to these threads, but I've read almost every one
for the past 6 years. I can tell you that it is always
the same as this thread. No facts, no evidence, no logical
argument. 
 
People deserve more than subjective feelings and useless
links to non-answers.
 
You deserve more than feelings and hollow links.
 
After reading both sides on this thread and others,
you may very well be wondering about what you were
taught when you joined the LDS church. You also may
be wondering how to resolve the lack of facts, evidence
and logical suport for Mormonism's claims.
 
You are not alone in wondering this.
 
Many have approached those of us who are Christians
asking where to find out more and some, even, to ask
how to come to know the Biblical Christ and some even how
to gracefully leave Mormonism and start a new life with
Christ.
 
Many here have already set out to finally and joyfully know
the true God and Savior. They understand the terrible choice
of being totally sincere about your faith, but increasingly
concerned that it isn't everything you once believed and hoped
for.

After coming to know the truth, they are on a path that gives
them the rest God promised to His children and the certainty
of His ultimate plan for them. Nothing brings them greater joy
than helping a friend who has the same questions.
 
There are places online that you can visit to learn more about
Mormonism.
 
If something is true, it can withstand any question, no matter
how tough. If it is false, it is better to know while your life
is in front of you. You can read these resources without fear.
 
http://www.irr.org/mit/default.html
http://www.exmormonsforjesus.org/
http://4mormon.org/ex-mormon.php
http://www.exmormon.org/
http://www.mormoncurtain.com/
 
Links may raise more questions and concerns and sometimes it
helps to have someone who has already wrestled through these
issues.
 
I invite you to private FReep-mail any of the Christians
on this thread to ask questions about the concerns you have.
 
We always do our best to directly answer your questions with
facts, evidence and logical support.
 
Take a step.
 
Roll the dice.
 
What do you have to lose at this point? And you have much to
gain. 
 
There is peace and rest waiting for you.
 
 
All the Best,
ampu


27 posted on 02/17/2011 9:16:43 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Colofornian

Dear Ask Tommy

I often feel overwhelmed because I don’t feel I measure up to all that’s expected of me in living the gospel. How can I learn to rejoice in the gospel when I feel like I may never by able to become or do all the Lord requires of me?

Ensign Reader

Dear ER

Are you paying your tithe ?

Are you obeying the Law of Consecration ?

Are you obeying the Fasting Sundays doctrine ?

Are you supporting your bishop with your offerings ?

Are you true to your callings ?

Have you fulfilled your calling to a two year mission ?

Do you sustain the prophet Joseph Smith as king err mormon god err mormon lord err prophet ?

Do you know that the book of mormon is true ?

If you are obeying all the requirements then you will be happy.

Maybe you need to be a missionary to the Online mission field where there are many unfortunate souls who have never heard of the prophet Joseph and the restored mormon thingy

Now to show your ultimate thankfulness for this ex-templa revelation, cross my palm with silver err send in your mega bucks err show your support for our team by sharing our colors, green and green, dollars that is, with those unfortunates who are forced by the lord to suffer for you in the pentehouses err the penitance of temple square.

Ask Tommy


28 posted on 02/17/2011 10:42:16 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Colofornian
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I hate the thought of taking any advice from a man who was a repeat adulterer.

29 posted on 02/17/2011 12:03:15 PM PST by dragonblustar ("... and if you disagree with me, then you sir, are worse than Hitler!" - Greg Gutfeld)
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To: dragonblustar

30 posted on 02/17/2011 12:12:01 PM PST by svcw (God in His own time not ours)
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To: svcw; colorcountry; Colofornian; Elsie; Zakeet; Tennessee Nana; aMorePerfectUnion; Godzilla; ...
Words of wisdom from an exmormon:
 
"The Church" is actually the mormon deity"
 
"How else do audacious statements like these come to roll of the tongue of members without so much as a thought?

"I know the church is true"
"The church is perfect, the people are not"

God, er heavenly father is just a guy a few years ahead of us in school, and doing really well for himself. But his ways are mysterious and he doesn't even know how to make sense to us.

Christ is a guy who couldn't set up a church to last more than 50 years.

But the COJCOLDS, this perfect, true entity is absolutely beyond reproach and the worst sin a member can commit is to publically question it".

believe that?

31 posted on 02/18/2011 6:49:58 AM PST by greyfoxx39 ("This administration has turned off America's beacon to the world for freedom and left darkness")
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To: dragonblustar
I like how Mormons say because Joseph Smith said so. That's suppose to end all arguments.

The thinking has already been done, just follow the "prophet"

Bumping the thread right along.

32 posted on 02/18/2011 7:19:35 AM PST by Graybeard58 (Of course Obama loves his country. The thing is, Sarah loves mine.)
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To: greyfoxx39; Paragon Defender; All
I no longer believe in the false religion I started!

Yet day after day, the people I led astray keep posting on FreeRepublic and knocking on doors to mislead people. Please, I beg you, stop!!!

Oh, how I regret how Satan used me to lead millions astray! If only I had a second chance to change things! FLEE! Before it is too late! Flee the cult of mormonism! I testify to you, I lied. I now know the danger of the fraud I committed against humanity. Do not follow my path.




If a repentant Joseph Smith, who now knows the truth, is testifying to us all, I believe it may be the first instance where he said something true and we should listen. If you are sincere, you will hear his voice repenting of his demonic activities and not follow him down to the darkness.

33 posted on 02/18/2011 7:32:02 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (.)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
FLEE! Before it is too late! Flee the cult of mormonism! I testify to you, I lied. I now know the danger of the fraud I committed against humanity. Do not follow my path

A great big AMEN! to that, Brother Smith!

34 posted on 02/18/2011 7:52:35 AM PST by greyfoxx39 ("This administration has turned off America's beacon to the world for freedom and left darkness")
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To: greyfoxx39; All
"The Church" is actually the mormon deity" "How else do audacious statements like these come to roll of the tongue of members without so much as a thought? "I know the church is true"

Q.Discernment-wise, how do we know whether people are led by the Holy Spirit?

A. At the very least, we know that the MAIN testimony is not to an institution. Especially a cultic hierarchical one that replaces Jesus Christ as the Permanent Head Prophet of the Church of Jesus Christ on earth (Heb. 1:1-2).

The HQ of the true church on earth isn't beholden to being in Salt Lake City. The HQ is heaven.

The Holy Spirit testifies to the Person, Jesus Christ, not to an institution. (Note, too, Jesus said in John 5:39 that even the Bible testifies to Him!) If you want Biblical proof for the Holy Spirit's ongoing testimony of Jesus -- and not a church structure -- see...
...John 15:26...
...Romans 8:16; 9:1
...1 Peter 1:11
...Acts 5:32; 6:10
...1 John 5:6
...Rev. 22:17

By sharp contrast, if you ever were to attend a Mormon monthly testimony meeting, many testimonies focus on the Mormon church and on a mere man, Joseph Smith. These are substitutes for Jesus Christ...frankly, idolatry.

Coming up this April is the 50th anniversary of the one of the more prominent examples of Mormon idolatry re: a statement made by a Romney! You see Mitt Romney's father had a cousin named Marion G. Romney, who was one of the top three hierarchical guys in the Mormon church.

Each year, the Mormons have two general conferences where the words of their leaders are regarded as near Scripture-like revelations to their followers. Now what did Marion G. Romney have to say in lifting up the Mormon church as THE competitor to what the Bible says about Jesus Christ in John 14:6?

"This Church is the ensign on the mountain spoken of by the Old Testament prophets. IT is the way, the truth, and the life" (Conference Report, April, 1961, p. 119)

Wow! Utter idolatry! Only by God's grace was SLC not opened up and sent into the chasm right then and there. Jesus Christ ALONE qualifies as "I am the Way, the truth, and the life. NO man comes to the Father, but by me." (John 14:6)

Q. Does the Mormon church regularly substitute the Mormon church for Jesus Christ?

A. Well, let me provide you another example. Last March, Greyfoxx posted an article by Lds "apostle" Jeffrey Holland. Here's an excerpt from that article: Latter-day Saints believe that other aspects of Christ's gift are conditional upon obedience and diligence in keeping God's commandments. For example, while members of the human family are freely and universally given a reprieve from Adam's sin through no effort or action of their own, they are not freely and universally given a reprieve of their own sins unless they pledge faith in Christ, repent of those sins, are baptized in his name, receive the gift of the Holy Ghost and confirmation into Christ's church...

Q. Now what was Holland claiming there? Especially "Christ's church" -- does He mean the church at-large? Or just the Mormon church?

A. Just the Mormon church. Furthermore Did you all catch the rest of what this Mormon "apostle" was claiming??? Per Mormonism -- this means that if you join the "wrong" church, your "reprieve of" your "own sins" isn't going to come from your pardon-Governing god. (More "conditions").

This Mormon "apostle" claims: they are not freely and universally given a reprieve of their own sins unless they...receive...confirmation into Christ's church... (meaning the Mormon church!)

So the church then -- in this case the Mormon church -- becomes the "substitutionary replacement" as the sin-bearer of your personal sins vs. Jesus Christ. What blasphemy!

What is it about Lds general authorities that they think they can toss around Christ's blood as to who it will reprieve and who it won't? I mean that's what the whole Lds false historical doctrine of blood atonement was all about! Why don't grassroots Mormons ever hold their leaders accountable for obvious past (& present) false doctrines? (Even things they patently know are false!)

I call upon this false apostle (Holland) to repent, and for Mormon grassroots to find the backbone to realize God holds us accountable for replacing Christ and His blood with a church structure. The same "woe" Jesus gives in Luke 11 is appropriate to leaders of the Mormon church: "Woe to you experts in the law, because you have taken away the key to knowledge. You yourselves have not entered, and you have hindered those who were entering." (Luke 11:52)

This is a serious warning Christ gave. Heed it as such.

35 posted on 02/18/2011 9:13:55 AM PST by Colofornian
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