Posted on 03/12/2011 2:58:25 PM PST by betty boop
END TIMES PING LIST PING.
There’s an executive summary at the top . . . poorly paragraphed of course. LOL.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQ558j7g1OY&playnext=1&list=PLF5C03CCC2362C59C
In all my reading and study and even epiphany.. this seems to be so.. and involved in these subjects.. and its all currently "proofing".. on a multiple "proof"..
Humans have flesh even a blind person can "see" this.. added to flesh is the concept of "spirit".. which is not clearly "seen".. On top of this is the concept of "God" being "Spirit" an even stronger "leaven".. So many variations of these themes have been proposed.. With sub-divisions and even levels of types..
Who is right and who's wrong.. you know "good" vs. "evil".. accurate vs inaccurate.. spiritual vs. fleshly.. intellectual vs. supercilious.. scientific vs. superstitious.. <-on like that..
How can you simplify these themes to something the average human can grasp?.. Answer is you probably can't.. especially if you eat the bread fully proofed.. the leaven has it all puffed up.. Humans have a hard time admitting they are not very smart..
My way of doing this (simplifying) is to see the operators of the parable (each operator) as very very deep subjects.. each holding much more "information" than is easily decrypted.. and the sum of the operators being much more than each of them.. To date with me; it could be that I cannot fully understand all this.. I'm not real sure what a "spirit" even IS.. But; I'm ok with not knowing everything.. Because I'm not too smart... I'm a republican..
There is a million stories in the "Big City".. could be entertainment or an addiction.. Got to watch out for the leaven.. Unleavened Kingdom of Heaven might be best for humans to consume.. But the leavened kind can be entertainment.. as long as you don't consume it..
Thanks for the ping. This is going to take some time to digest.
BFLR....
OK. For starters, I had never heard of Lucis Trust so I did a google search and found this nice summary...
(Sorry to pollute your thread with wiki)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucis_Trust
So, Lucis Trust is a new agey, spiritualism...
Hardly subtle with the name. They obviously don’t feel any need to hide the real source of their philosophy, do they?
It’s kind of like just coming out and announcing who youre working for.
And Beelzebub? Really?
You overlook the fact that the God of Christianity is the Trinity, the ultimate form of community. God's covenants make Christianity a corporate, as well as an individual, reality. A family, a church, a tribe, have identities of their own, and are not just assortments of disconnected individuals rattling around together.
Every social order is a theocracy. Every law order is a theocracy. If a culture can't explain its ultimate reasons for existence, then it's dying. Unless you can explain why laws should be kept, they won't be.
God's Kingdom is too big to fit in our navels.
The church is a consideration, of course, as a candidate for some kind of communal lifestyle. The problem with that is that the individual is ultimately responsible before God.
The assembly is the assembly of the saints, that is, the “holy ONES.” These ONES join together because of “love”...another choice...and not because of any teaching that the individual must be obliterated and absorbed by the communal.
God is ONE being manifesting in three very distinct personas but not three separate beings. Oneness is not a form of community. There are cults which have some resemblance to Christianity, but they tend to define God as three separate beings in a troika. A troika of beings would be community, but God is One. Here's a little essay which, I'm told, tends to make this more clear:
The following will be 'a way' to understand the notion of the trinitarian nature of the Deity, not a strictly Biblical explanation, but one which is applicable to the teaching of the Bible. Here goes:
God The Father Almighty is greater than His creation, thus greater than created dimension time and dimension space, thus we may think of The Father Almighty as beyond time and space but not prevented from touching and indeed penetrating His creation.
The universe of space and time is likened to a bubble: what is inside the bubble is in time and space. But the nature of what is inside the bubble is only partially understood in modern Physics.
The Bible relates scenes which defy the simplistic notions we use for assumptive science. We'll get to that 'assumptive' notion shortly, but let us make the statement that God The Father Almighty is as comfortable outside the bubble as He is inside the bubble.
Modern Physics has discovered that the balance of forces and tensions sustaining the universe necessary for human life to arise within the universe is extremely delicate, on the order of a mathematical improbability, represented as a 'one in less than' fraction so tiny that a one over a one followed by more than one-hundred zeros defines the probability that the whole thing remains in balance! Such a delicate balancing act is but one of the continuing 'works' of the Holy Spirit of God. It is by the Spirit of God, The Word, that the universe came into existence and it is said in the Bible that by His Spirit the whole is maintained.
But the Bible also states that The Word was with God in the beginning and was God. In John's gospel we find that Jesus is The Word made flesh Who dwelt among us. So, inside the bubble Created by The Father Almighty, sustained by God The Holy Spirit, is the Word, God made flesh Who dwelt among us. The Creator does not stop being greater than His creation bubble, nor does His Spirit cease to sustain it all in balance, when Jesus comes in the flesh to dwell among us.
Here's an address to 'assumptive science limitations': Now, when one reads the Tanakh/Old Testament, one finds scenes like the fifth chapter of Daniel where a being is in one spacetime 'where/when' reaching into another 'where/when' to write on the palace party central wall of king Belshazzar. Just the forearm/hand is seen in the where/when of Belshazzar and the party folks, the rest of the being remains in 'another' where/when.
God The Father Almighty created this 'other' where/when, His Holy Spirit maintains its balance and separateness from our where/when, and Jesus has moved in and out of this other where/when: as shown when He resurrected from the tomb without rolling away the stone, just passing out of the tomb where/when, into 'another' where/when; then back into our where/when as He spoke to the women come to the sepulchre; and when He appeared in a locked and shuttered room with the disciples present; or appeared suddenly with the disciples walking on a road and broke bread with them then abruptly left our where/when to go to the 'other' where/when.
The trinitarian nature of God is shown in the Bible, even in the Tanakh. Trinity IS the nature of God as we have been given to know. Even in the Old Testament/Tanakh, we do have instruction on the Three nature of God as Creator, Sustainer, and Deliverer. God Is manifested as three yet one, seen identified by 'the work He is doing'.
With each manifestation, we are given to realize His presence simultaneously as Creator--because we exist in the realm He created, as Sustainer--because the balance is too delicate to stand alone without His sustaining the separation and interdependence, and as God with us in the person of Jesus our Lord and Savior.
Creme's got a zero-sum ideology: If America grows stronger, then this can only come at the expense of the rest of the world. Bad, bad America!!!
Of course it goes without saying that a New World Order cannot be established if America stays strong. But I notice that under the policies of the present Administration, America is being relentlessly, seemingly deliberately weakened in virtually all respects — notably economically. Furthermore, our reputation as a reliable ally has been severely undermined. Increasingly, America "looks weak" in the eyes of the world.
If you have time, maybe you'd like to take a look at this, Jerusalem UFO, at Ben Creme's site, Share International. Of all the people I know, you are the most sensitive to the possibility that UFOs may be spiritual phenomena. Clearly the folks at Share International are turning this supposed UFO event into such.
What do you make of it?
Great insight, RJR_fan. Pietism, and the doctrine of one's own "inner light," do represent a reduction of Christianity, in my view. Christianity isn't about "navel-gazing." It isn't about acquiring knowledge; it isn't about "inner spiritual experiences." It's about how we live, how we orient ourselves — to our self, to each other, to our world, and to God, Who Is "external and eternal," not some god "within." JMHO FWIW
It is so discouraging to learn that "new age" doctrines had been smuggled into the Lutheran chapel you attended in your college days. It seems so many churches of many denominations have chosen to accommodate the "Spirit of the Age" rather than defend Christian orthodoxy. Perhaps they think they can better fill the pews in this way. But the fact is, they are caving in to what I consider to be a demonic attack on the Body of Christ.
BTW, I definitely believe that Gurdjieff is a slippery, shifty character. The Russian mathematician and philosopher P. D. Ouspensky was one of his more brilliant students. Funny thing is, I enjoyed a couple of Ouspensky's books very much — A New Model of the Universe and Tertium Organum. Full of interesting stories and insights, but not any kind of "system." However, I suspected The Fourth Way — supposedly the best record of Gurdjieff's teaching — was a total con job. This was confirmed for me later, when I started reading Alice Bailey and Benjamin Creme. They're all working the same "cadge." And I don't now recall what In Search of the Miraculous was even about. So I guess I wasn't terribly impressed by it.
Thank you so very much, RJR_fan, for your wonderful insights!
Sometimes the best way to "hide something" is to "put it out in the open." Often enough it's the really obvious things that we tend not to see.... Maybe because we don't want to see them?
Whatever the case, Lucis Trust has been "covertly" prosecuting a satanic attack on Western man and his culture for decades by now, right out there in the open Public Square. It has insinuated itself into the U.N. at a very high echelon. Nobody seems to care — or even to notice.
Thanks so much for sharing your thoughts, dear metmom!
Indeed. And that — precisely — is what Share International IS: "a worldwide sales campaign" for the "new and improved religion."
As pointed out in a recent reply to metmom, these people are hiding out in broad daylight, and they are doing so at the U.N., in the churches, in the academy, and likely in our charitable and governmental institutions as well.
Ultimately, as I noted there, this is a "covert attack" on Western man and his culture — particularly his religious culture. Thinking it over, the attack is most specifically targeted at English-speaking countries particularly. Creme's organization is most active in anglophone countries such as the United States, Great Britain, Australia, and New Zealand. For some reason, he does not target Asian or Middle-Eastern countries. Go figure. :^)
Of course, if one succeeds in "defeating" Western culture, one rids oneself of the Judeo-Christian moral tradition and classical philosophy — the foundation of modern science — at a single stroke.
These people are insane, irrational....
And they are "hiding out, in the open."
Dear Padre, thanks so much for your excellent reply to mnehring's query.
Great catch, Mind-numbed Robot!
Hegelian dialectics applied to this question: Thesis (i.e., Good)–Antithesis (i.e., Evil) resolve into "Synthesis" (whatever that might be) — which becomes the next "thesis" invoking a new "antithesis," resolvable into a new "synthesis." And so this process continues ad infinitum.
But it never "resolves" into anything definite, let alone "objective." It is merely an operation of abstract mind detached from reality as experienced, and is, as such, relentlessly subjective. IMHO, it is the highest form of the fine art of "navel gazing" ever produced in human history.
But it has the dubious virtue of promising us that by use of this method, we can move "beyond" Good and Evil.... Marx and Engels evidently caught onto that aspect right away. Their resulting "systems" speak for themselves.
Thanks again, Mind-numbed Robot, for your excellent insight!
Indeed. They both seem to be working for the same "Master."
Thank you ever so much for writing!
Great insight, ronnyquest! I agree with you 100%.
The idea of a New World Order is hardly confined to the United Nations. As you note, there is also Jihadist, irredentist Islam making a bid for a new universal order to be consolidated at Tehran; and then there is George Soros and whatever cabal he's running. These are the obvious examples.
But note what these different efforts have in common: Both require the total destruction of the West as we know it in order to succeed.
Great insight, Dr. E!
The "builders of the Tower of Babel" have the temerity to imagine that they can "perfect" a shoddy world (God didn't do a very good job of making it, you see) and produce a New Eden all by themselves. With our slavish "cooperation," of course.
Thank you so much for sharing your excellent insights!
Indeed. I like this about him, too. Also his sense of humility — and humor.
BTW, Dr. Godwin is not the only clinical psychologist I've read lately that holds much of the current development of this field in contempt.
Thanks so much, Matchett-PI, for the info re: Gagdad Bob.
R J Rushdoony wrote a book-length meditation on the political implications of trinitarian Christianity, The One and the Many. Is reality ultimately singular? If so, monism makes sense, and we must all be One, subsumed into the Greater Whole, that entity that Hegel called "God walking through history," The State. Is reality ultimately plural? If so, then anarchy is the only way to go -- the "state of nature," with every man for himself. Both answer, Rushdoony said, are wrong. Reality is ultimately both singular and plural, since God Himself is simultaneously One and Three. Given this model, Christian nations have managed to simultaneously support form and freedom, individual and corporate concerns.
This explains in part the unceasing warfare of the God-haters on the normal family. Something about the marital union tells us something about God. Man and wife are simultaneously two, and one. As they delight in each other, and in their union, the individuality of each is sharpened, heightened, appreciated. Not subsumed. Not suppressed.
The 19th amendment disenfranchised the family, even as the 17th disenfranchised the states. If you are a God-hating statist, your preferred deity must be One, and rival allegiances, rival citizenships must be obliterated. If you are a Christian, with a healthy disrespect for the righteousness of man, then you will work to nurture multiple spheres of jurisdiction -- family, church, local governments. Home schooling is the deliberate and conscious repudiating of statism, the assertion that our children belong to God, not Caesar.
Yep. Islam isn’t a religion. It’s an excuse to plunder.
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