Posted on 03/20/2011 2:34:25 PM PDT by TaraP
Natural disasters 'escalating like labor pains' may be linked to the return of Jesus, says Rev. Franklin Graham. In an exclusive Newsmax.TV video, the evangelist says the end could come in 2012 or later.
*escalating birth pains*
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Like what?
Like I don’t understand your last post. Something about your sister hearing something in her headphones? I never commented on that so I don’t know what you were talking about.
It’s a literal 12,000 from each of the 12 tribes. You cannot allegorize scripture just to make it fit your preconceived notions.
I was referring to post 113, and for some reason posted to you by mistake.
Nothing has failed..
Have people been wrong about dates and times of Jesus return? yes, they were not looking for him when he came...
(Except a select few)
and they are not looking for his return...
(Except a select few)
Bookmark for later; ping.
Thank you Tara P.
I think GOD does not need arms...
Who do you think saves Israel????
Okay, so lets say for this discussion that the US informs Israel that they are no longer to receive any more arms of any type. Planes, tanks, guns, ammunition. No support, nothing. What do you think the Arab countries would do?
Okay, no problem. I was just wondering .....
I have read the book of Daniel doesn’t say the third temple will be built spot on Solomon’s temple though it does say it will be rebuilt....the temple mount is a fairly large sloping area with the mosque at the top but also streets and neighborhoods and the wailing wall spiraling all up and around it. Plenty of other spots on the mount to build a temple....which is what the 2003 Israeli orthodox rabinnical students were pointing out!
>> What do you think the Arab countries would do?<<
Read Ezek 38-39 to find out.
Revelation 7:4 mentions that the 144,000 were taken out of every tribe of the sons of Israel, but in the verses that follow, mention is made of the tribe of Levi and the tribe of Joseph. These cannot be the tribes of natural Israel because there never was a tribe of Joseph, the tribes of Ephraim and Dan are not included in the list here, and the Levites were set aside for service in connection with the temple but were not reckoned as one of the 12 tribes. See Numbers 1:4-16.
First the Rapture, then the Tribulation, then the Second coming.
I know. But until Israel signs a peace treaty with her enemies ......
But then it’s their idea not what scripture says. All the times the Temple was rebuilt after its destruction it was always on the same spot.
OK how can you reconcile the fact that in The Bible in Daniel ch 12 we are told the very day Christ is to return? If we're here we'll have 7 years warning actually. We would know because The Bible says so. Those are literal days not symbolic ones that represent weeks months etc.
If the believers and dead in Christ all being The Bride are called up with His Shout from the heavens those who would know scripture are no longer here or would be blinded to it. Still no one would know the day or hour because they did not believe. Yes some who are left here will come through the Tribulations a small number likely.
When Noah went into the Ark people were being given in marriage till that very day. Marriages in The Biblical accounts are festive events lasting days. Times of joy and happiness and celebration. In the Great Tribulation weddings won't likely be happening most likely but rather a focus on survival.
GOD called Noah out and into the Ark before passing judgment. He called Israel out of Egypt before passing judgment. He called Lot before that out of Soddom and Gomorrah simply for Abrahams sake. Why doubt Christ will call out His Bride The Church? Yes if we are indeed intended to remain and live through it He will still be with us. But will His Bride face the Judgement upon earth in the Tribulations?
The percicuted you speak of will indeed be rewarded in heaven. Now remember the parable Christ told of the man who hired workers and paid them all the same paying the man he hired last first and the man he hired first he paid last the same wages? What was the answer? The workers who were hired first thought it unfair right?
Matt ch 20
13“He answered one of them, ‘Friend, I haven’t been unfair! Didn’t you agree to work all day for the usual wage? 14Take it and go. I wanted to pay this last worker the same as you. 15Is it against the law for me to do what I want with my money? Should you be angry because I am kind?’ 16“And so it is, that many who are first now will be last then; and those who are last now will be first then.”
One event ignored by most churches likely set the irreversible terminal clock and picked the generation to see Christ Return. May 11, 1949 is likely the most prophetic day in history since the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Israel reborn in a day and recognized as a nation by the world. Those who are old enough to see it may well be the last generation or rather meaning their generation shall not pass until all prophecy is fulfilled.
The next event might be the Temple construction in a physical sense or that may be a spiritual revival in Israel to worship The GOD of Abraham followed afterward by a demand from Islamic nations forcing the worship of Islam upon Israel.
Israel's signing of the treaty with the antichrist which our leaders have been so bent on obtaining and the last several presidents almost forcing Israel to sign the wretched treaty starting with Carter IIRC will start the final clock and from that point you know the very day.
There is every reason to think Christ will call out His Bride on the command of His Father before the tribulations begin.
Jesus said he would come at a time "when you think not". Therefore when anybody predicts when Jesus will return, they are wrong.
Nothing has failed..
Have people been wrong about dates and times of Jesus return? yes, they were not looking for him when he came...
Maybe I haven't communicated clear enough the problem. The claim is that we are expected to be aware of the "signs". The "signs" in question are events that have gone pretty much uninterrupted since the days of Noah. We have always had wars, famines, and plagues except for this generation which ironically is possibly the only generation that has not seen war, famines and plagues. Yet the events of today, tiny and insignificant in view of history are claimed by nearly all Dispensationalists to be THE "signs" that our LORD was allegedly thinking of nearly two-thousand years ago. So signs of "wars", which we have none; signs of "famines", which we have none, and signs of "plagues" which we have none, are sure "signs" of the End.
And you don't find this the least bit troubling in the very obvious cognitive dissonance? That is, there aren't wars and so we declare riots and rebellions to be "wars" - and by gratuitously calling it a "war" and a "sign" that is somehow different and a greater "sign" than The Great War and World War II.
In regards to the "wrong dates and times", that is a bit disingenuous because people like Hal Lindsey tied a specific date (e.g. 1988) to a specific teaching. When Tim LaHaye's "forty years" since the Balfour Declaration failed, Hal Lindsey said that a "generation in the Bible is forty years" and because of that fact, our LORD would return prior to 1988 which is forty years since the secular nation Israel was recognized by the United Nations. IOW, Lindsey didn't just pull the number out of a hat, there was specific theology that demanded it would be in 1988.
He wasn't alone, Edgar C. Whisenant wrote the infamous "88 Reasons Why the Rapture Will Be in 1988" where his date setting was allegedly based on interpreting Prophecy from the Bible. His date was not a function of "we have more earthquakes so therefore it should happen in the next few years" which would be the acceptable mistake of getting the date wrong because the date would be speculating on an event based on trends. Whisenant and Lindsey weren't speculating on trends or "birth pangs/pains" but supposedly on Dispensational hermeneutics applied to Scripture. The date was integral to the whole of the Prophecy, not a feeling of when it could happen.
If anything, Whisenant and Lindsey, under a true Scriptural analysis, would be written off as false prophets since the date setting was integral to the overall prophecy. Stated differently, Lindsey and Whisenant were convinced that it had to occur before 1988, not 1989 or anytime later, but had to be before 1988, with very strong hints towards it being on Rosh Hoshanna of 1988.
Granted the number of kooks who are marking a specific day on the calendar shouldn't be considered representative of the sect of Dispensationalism, but almost all Dispensationalists are calling today's non-signs, "signs" and are saying that these [non]"signs" are without a doubt the very specific "signs" of tomorrow's return.
Since these events are non-signs or regular (9.0+ earthquakes though relatively rare do occur several times in the span of a generation, and there have been many generations who have seen 9.0+ earthquakes)what makes these events special and different from similar but greater events from the past?
The arab nations will attack and the Israeli’s will hit all of their countries with nukes(Psalms 83? prophecy). This will precipitate a crisis of the gravest order and might precipitate the Ezekiel invasion event with world wide judgments delivered by God himself . On the other hand the Bible says that many jews see the hand of the Lord in these events and will come to know him as well as many gentiles as well... at least if one reads Ezekiel.
In any event, we’re living in pretty interesting times. But then, our parents did, and their parents did and their parents ... and so on.
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