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Jesus Christ, the Son of God
Mormon Church ^ | 2010 | Jeffrey R. Holland

Posted on 04/08/2011 7:39:38 AM PDT by ZULU

By and large any controversy in this matter has swirled around two doctrinal issues—our view of the Godhead and our belief in the principle of continuing revelation leading to an open scriptural canon. In addressing this we do not need to be apologists for our faith, but we would like not to be misunderstood. So with a desire to increase understanding and unequivocally declare our Christianity, I speak today on the first of those two doctrinal issues just mentioned.

(Excerpt) Read more at jesuschrist.lds.org ...


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It would appear to me, that by this article, the Mormons ARE Christians. They appear to just have a different view of the Trinity than we do.

I'm sure this will smoke out LOTS of comments.

1 posted on 04/08/2011 7:39:40 AM PDT by ZULU
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To: ZULU
It would appear to me, that by this article, the Mormons ARE Christians.

That is precisely their intent.

2 posted on 04/08/2011 7:43:59 AM PDT by colorcountry (Comforting lies are not your friends. Painful truths are not your enemies.)
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To: ZULU

“Jesus Christ the Son of God”

They no more believe that Jesus is the ONLY begotten Son of God than they believe in gay marriage.


3 posted on 04/08/2011 7:44:35 AM PDT by Grunthor (The man or woman who doesn't forgive has forgotten the price that Christ paid for them on the Cross.)
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To: ZULU

Without a doubt.

Hopefully they’ll be doctrinal arguments, not scurrilous attacks.

Doctrinal arguments can be good.


4 posted on 04/08/2011 7:44:41 AM PDT by jimt
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To: ZULU
Why is this in News and not Religion?
Beyond that the jesus of the lds is created, the Jesus of the Bible is Eternal.
The lds jesus suffered in the garden, Jesus of the Bible paid the price on the Cross.
The lds jesus is not sufficient “after all we can do”, the Jesus of the Bible is sufficient, Grace is given.
5 posted on 04/08/2011 7:45:08 AM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
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To: ZULU

They sure lust after wanting people to believe that.


However, one has to look at the source of the inspiration
for Mormonism.

Joseph Smith taught that "The inhabitants of the moon are
more of a uniform size than the inhabitants of the earth,
being about 6 feet in height.

"They dress very much like the Quaker style and are quite
general in style, or fashion of dress.

"They live to be very old; coming generally, near a thousand
years.

"This is the description of them as given by Joseph the seer,
and he could `See' whatever he asked the father in the name
of Jesus to see," (Journal of Oliver B. Huntington, Vol. 3,
p. 166; as recorded at the Utah State Historical Society).

source:
http://www.watchman.org/lds/moonmen.htm


6 posted on 04/08/2011 7:45:32 AM PDT by fulltlt
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To: ZULU; greyfoxx39; colorcountry; Colofornian; Elsie; Godzilla; MHGinTN; narses; reaganaut; ...
Your assertion Mormons are Christian is ludicrous for at least three reasons

FIRST: MORMONISM REJECTS MANY ESSENTIAL CHRISTIAN DOCTRINES

I suggest you check out the article: We're Christians just like you! wherein the author presents a number of well-annotated examples.

If necessary, dozens of additional articles and illustrations can be found on this WEBSITE alone.

SECOND: THE MORMON CHURCH UNEQUIVOCALLY CONDEMNS CHRISTIANS AND CHRISTIANITY

And the angel of God said unto me: Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of God, and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great church, which is the mother of abominations; and she is the whore of all the earth. And it came to pass that I looked and beheld the whore of all the earth, and she sat upon many waters; and she had dominion over all the earth, among all nations, kindreds, tongues, and people. – Book of Mormon, 1 Nephi 14:10-11

My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong) – and which I should join. … I was answered by God that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: "they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof." He again forbade me to join with any of themProphet Joseph Smith, Joseph Smith History 1:18-20

Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century. – Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p.167

The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God. – Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 8:171

Brother Taylor has just said that the religions of the day were hatched in hell. The eggs were laid in hell, hatched on its borders, and then kicked on to the earth." – Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 6:176

Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom. – Prophet John Taylor, Journal of Discourses, 10:127

Are Christians ignorant? Yes, as ignorant of the things of God as the brute beast. – Prophet John Taylor, Journal of Discourses 13:225

What does the Christian world know about God? Nothing ... Why so far as the things of God are concerned, they are the veriest fools; they know neither God nor the things of God. – Prophet John Taylor, Journal of Discourses 13:225

The Book of Mormon remains secure, unchanged and unchangeable … but with the Bible it was not and is not so … it was once in the sole and exclusive care and custody of an abominable organization (Christianity), founded by the devil himself, likened prophetically unto a great whore, whose great aim and purpose was to destroy the souls of men in the name of religion. In these hands it ceased to be the book it once was. – Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, The Joseph Smith Translation, pp. 12, 13

In bearing testimony of Jesus Christ, President Hinckley spoke of those outside the Church who say Latter-day Saints "do not believe in the traditional Christ."No, I don't. The traditional Christ of whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I speak. – Prophet Gordon B. Hinckley, LDS Church News, June 20, 1998, p.7

If still not convinced, you can find many more similar quotes of Mormon leaders slamming Christians HERE and HERE.

THIRD: THE MORMON CHURCH ITSELF REJECTS CHRISTIANITY

Beginning with Joseph Smith, Mormon prophets have steadfastly proclaimed all Christian denominations were in a state of apostasy.

This raises an interesting question. A heretic is someone who rejects one or more doctrines of religion, but an apostate is someone who has rejected the religion entirely. How is it, exactly, that you can be something you have completely dismissed? How does that work?

7 posted on 04/08/2011 7:45:46 AM PDT by Zakeet (If Obama had half a brain, his butt would be lopsided)
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To: Grunthor

They actually DO believe that Jesus Christ is the only ‘begotten’ son of God the Father. But one must ask what they mean by ‘begotten’ since they also believe that Satan as well as all mankind were the offspring of God.


8 posted on 04/08/2011 7:47:15 AM PDT by colorcountry (Comforting lies are not your friends. Painful truths are not your enemies.)
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To: ZULU

Christians are those who have been saved by grace through faith in the gift of eternal life through Jesus. If you can reconcile that belief with Mormonism, great. More power to you.


9 posted on 04/08/2011 7:49:39 AM PDT by arderkrag (Georgia is God's Country.----------In the same way Rush is balance, I am consensus.)
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To: ZULU
Interesting the explanation of the “vision” Joseph Smith had, now how did they blend together the nine versions into one.
Yep, nine versions of the first vision.

10 posted on 04/08/2011 7:50:48 AM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
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To: ZULU
Jesus Christ, the Son of God

Can't be so in the LDS . . . they believe in hundred of thousands of GODS. So, for them, it would be Gods

How you can possibly equate LDS with Christianity is absurd . . . and they know it. And, besides, Joe Smith, Jr., will sit next to Jesus on Judgment Day (it's in the Book of Mormon, isn't it? . . . I'm just hanging them with their own doctrines . . . Pray that they will find the correct Jesus long before it's too late and hell awaits.

11 posted on 04/08/2011 7:51:53 AM PDT by laweeks
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To: ZULU
the Mormons ARE Christians.

ROFLOL!

12 posted on 04/08/2011 7:52:16 AM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR as a platform to pimp your blog for hits!!!)
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To: ZULU

The Mormons hated Christianity for the longest time, only within recent years have they been trying to associate themselves with it. They think they can gain greater acceptance that way. I wonder what J. Smith would say....


13 posted on 04/08/2011 7:55:47 AM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR as a platform to pimp your blog for hits!!!)
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To: ZULU
Why is this in News btw?
14 posted on 04/08/2011 7:58:06 AM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR as a platform to pimp your blog for hits!!!)
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis

Interesting isn’t it.


15 posted on 04/08/2011 8:01:02 AM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
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To: ZULU

The article is planting a false flag in its description of what the differences are that cause friction between 1 billion Christians and Mormons.

They spend their time telling the rest of us we worship in an apostate and fallen religion.

They are they one true church.

God was once man and they will be gods.

Heck, I’ll just post my list of differences.

Just so we are all clear on this though, Mormons recognize the doctrinal differences between the various faiths and can explain them better than most people.

Fine by me and if ones faith in their faith is strong enough then there needn’t be a perception someone being “Anti”.

My faith is strong is enough that allows me to point out the differences here on Free Republic so all may see.

One can then decide for themselves their own path.


16 posted on 04/08/2011 8:02:35 AM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: ZULU


 

MORMON
ATTITUDES OF SUPERIORITY
 

  1. I’m Superior; I have a special gift of the holy Ghost -- you don’t!
  2. I’m Superior; I have God’s true priesthood power -- you don’t!
  3. I’m Superior; I can go in God’s secret Temple -- you can’t!
  4. I’m Superior; I’ve been Endowed with special Gifts and Knowledge -- you’re just normal!
  5. I’m Superior; I’ll have my family with me in heaven -- you’ll be with strangers!
  6. I’m Superior; I’m becoming a God -- you aren’t!
  7. I’m Superior; My women know their place as servants of man and yours don’t.
  8. I’m Superior; YOUR creeds are wrong because they come from man - mine comes from God (you can find each one printed in our Scriptures).
  9. I’m Superior; I don’t HAVE a creed - I’ve got 13 Articles of Faith.
10. I'm Superior; I have 4 "Bibles"-- the standard works (5 if you count the JST) -- you've only got one: in as far as it is translated correctly.
11. I’m Superior; I can lie with impunity about such things as church membership, church growth, church doctrine, church history, church influence, etc. —                           -- You can’t.
12. I’m Superior; I am right (everybody knows) when I say 'evangelical' Christians are lunatics --                            -- You’re a hideous narrow-minded bigot, who is persecuting me by practicing discrimination by saying I'm not a Christian.
13. I'm Superior; I have a testimony about a prophet -- you don't.
14. I'm Superior; I have a Scripture-producing Amos 3:7 prophet -- you don't
15. I’m Superior; I have a Living Prophet who talks to god every day -- you have a dim-witted hireling of Satan who only talks to himself.
16. I'm Superior; I have my calling & election made sure -- you don't.
17. I’m Superior; I have magic underwear to protect me from the bogey man -- you don’t.
18. I’m Superior; I have secret clasps and grips to give the angel so I get admitted to the celestial kingdom -- you don’t ;so you can’t.
19. I'm Superior; I know secret handshake codes for afterlife entrances-- you don't.
20. I’m Superior; I will see Joseph Smith sitting on the right hand of GOD, when I get to Mormon heaven, and he will recognize me and judge me favorably                              -- You’re on your own; when you get to wherever you’re going!
21. I’m Superior; I’m going to hie to Kolob -- you’re going to who knows where.
22. I’m Superior; I get to have a harem and act like a celestial stud for time and all eternity -- you don’t.
23. I’m Superior; I have sun stones, moon stones, sky stones, cloud stones, Saturn stones, and the evil eye of Osirus guarding my temple                            -- all you have is a stupid cross.
24. I’m Superior; My church has billions in assets stashed away -- yours has taken a stupid vow of poverty.
25. I'm Superior; Last - we have the power to keep a whole race out of our priesthood if we wanted to reinsert our 148-year legacy  (we ARE still keeping an entire GENDER at bay!)
 
Revision 46.1
Semi-Official creed of the EXclusive club of Freeper Flying Inmans.
All rights liable to be abused.

Why can't the RESTORED gospel be found in the Book of MORMON; like Salt Lake City SAYS that it can?

17 posted on 04/08/2011 8:03:40 AM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: ZULU
Repost with updated links..

Mormonism is not Christianity (read below)

    Christian churches teach belief in God as an eternal, self-existent, immortal being, unfettered by corporeal limitations and unchanging in both character and nature. In recent years, several Christian denominations have made studies of Mormon teaching and come to the conclusion that there are irreconcilable differences between LDS doctrine and Christian beliefs based on the Bible.
Statement of the Lutheran Church, Missouri Synod
Statement of the Presbyterian Church (USA)
Statement of the Roman Catholic Church
Statement of the Southern Baptist Convention
Statement of the Assemblies of God Church
 
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2681001/posts?page=6#6
 

18 posted on 04/08/2011 8:04:34 AM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: ZULU
 
The point of posting LDS authored stories is part of the Proselytizing .
 
Certainly, when LDS knocks on the door of an "Apostate" they expect objections.  Otherwise, why have the Student Manual for Missionaries, in which, they have points and counter points to their non-believers or what could be more accurately called Non-members of the LDS.
 
In fact, LDS missionaries search out opportunities for conversion in the less educated parts of the world where illiteracy is extremely high.  By that, I mean, if one looks at the efforts of LDS in countries south of the American border, you will find illiteracy rates that are in excess of 70%.
 
There is no point in disputing the numbers.  I have been involved in literacy programs for 5 years and the fact is, you can more easily sway someone, with emotion and power of persuasion, who does not read  or more importantly cannot read.  They have no real ability to study or collect thoughts of reason based on information contained within them or discovered by study.  Nothing to study if you can't read, you just take others words for truth.
 
Where is the proof that LDS efforts and growth at directed at countries with lower illiteracy rates?

10 New Missions to be Created, 14 to be Discontinued

Ireland Dublin Mission, one of the missions in Chicago, and a mission or two in Australia will be discontinued.
 
New missions include Peru Cuzco, Guatemala, Philipines, Democratic Republic of Congo Lubumbashi and more.  All new missions being formed outside the U.S. are in areas that have indisputably high illiteracy rates. 
 
A new mission in St George, Utah will stretch all the way to Farmington, New Mexico and is likely being built to support LDS immigrants to the areas of  traditional LDS communities.
 
However, it is interesting to note the total number of missions worldwide will fall by four from 344 to 340.
 
 
Now to the Student Manual for Missionaries and their program for conversion.
 
President Gordon B. Hinckley explained the importance of the Book of Mormon in relation to the Church and the Bible:
“If the Book of Mormon is true, the Church is true, for the same authority under which this sacred record came to light is present and manifest
among us today. It is a restoration of the Church set up by the Savior in Palestine. It is a restoration of the Church set up by the Savior when he visited
this continent as set forth in this sacred record.
 
Okay, so the reasoning is the same as defense of the Bible, which unlike Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, etc, has historical proof of certain events and the geography, where the events took place, is undisputed and the Bible is very stark proof of it's own provenance.
 
Gordon Hinckley continues:
"If the Book of Mormon is true, the Bible is true...."
 
And yet LDS claims the Bible to be rife with mistakes, lost books or purposely misleading.  This while they claim right to the very same scriptures, but maintain interprations of convenience, by way of contrivance.
 
President Benson also offered inspired counsel regarding how to use the Book of Mormon to respond to objections investigators(read possible converts) may have to the restored truths of the gospel:
“We are to use the Book of Mormon in handling objections to the Church. . . .
“. . . All objections, whether they be on abortion, plural marriage, seventh-day worship, etc., basically hinge on whether Joseph Smith and his successors were and are prophets of God receiving divine revelation.
 
So LDS recognizes there are real objections to their faith and to be fair so does Traditional Christianity.  Both have plans for conversions with the key difference between the two being as follows:
 
Church of Christ Latter Day Saints:
Their premise is that most converts come from the foundation of Traditional Christianity, which forms the basis of belief for their doctrine, which is of a slightly different story.  They hold that converts are worshipping Apostate Religions and they are the One True Church and therefore the only arbiters of ones future when it comes to eternal salvation.
 
No reason to look further than where ever you find Christians you will find LDS missionaries teaching a new way of thinking,  a new road to salvation and of a superior system that plays to man's innate vanity and hope to be something  more, such as deifying oneself through work.
 
But first they start their premise with unworthiness and shame the Christian into believing they have been had.  With no real defense of literacy and learnedness the most important decision in one's life is now called into question.
 
What will you do?  If the Book of Mormon is true and your heart is open to learning it's truth, you can be saved.  Bit of a canard and a highly charged emotional question that is a leading question of conscious, heart and spirit.
 
Traditional Christianity:
Here we find missionaries seeking out converts not from other religions but from souls of sola fide(by faith alone) and those very converts come from areas where God, in the light of Traditional Christianity, are not understood by lost souls nor has the salvation of Jesus Christ reached them yet.  Here we can think of China, North Korea, Middle East or Russia where God is a challenge to their authority, especially in the form of Christianity and is therefore outlawed.
 
The difference in Christianity and Mormonism goes to Sola Fide.
 
In Sola Fide we find salvation by God's grace and Jesus paying the ultimate sacrafice and the only path to eternal salvation and it is brought to you by faith alone that your pardon is secure, forever, through the gift of God, who recognizes that man could never hope to work his way to heaven or pay for his salvation as he is an imperfect being.
 
And so "For God so loved the World, he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life".
 
Mormons teach a version of God's greatest gift but if comes with qualifiers.  Their belief, in direct contradiction to historical Christian Doctrine, is one must some how become worthy to enter into God's kingdom.  How does one become worthy? There is no answer of specific definition, only that you must perform certain works showing your worthiness and that Joseph Smith will be the one who approves your "Passport" to heaven.  Yes, they do use the term passport in their doctrine, though one wonders what information should be contained in that passport.
 
 
And yet God tells "For all have sinned and come short of the Glory of God"  "There is none worthy, No, not one".  Seems pretty clear that God didn't even bother so single anyone out just lumped us all into a definition of lesser beings, who has shown great mercy on despite our incredible shortcomings.
 
Jesus tells us"Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God". (John 3:4-5)
 
Paul in his letter to the Ephesians:
“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.” -Ephesians 2:8,9
 
“Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.” –James 2:19.  This presents a huge conflict with Mormon belief that one can become a god, just like God.  It doesn't appear God agrees or approves.
 
“Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.” –James 2:18.  So we are being presented with what the effect of faith is and that is: a belief, truly of the heart and spirit, will result in works demonstrating your walk in and with Christ.  It will be plainly apparent and motivated by spirit to excersise works of God in daily action or in specific witness of testimony.
 
Now in the Student Manual for Missionaries, of LDS, on page 77 we find the beginning discussion of Apostacy, in which the LDS begin to lay the foundation for proof of a foul religious belief and that theirs is the one and only true way:
Under the direction of Jesus Christ, the priesthood and the Church were restored through His servants.
The Restoration dispelled the darkness of the Apostasy. Priesthood authority was restored.
Through the Prophet Joseph Smith, the Lord organized His Church again upon the earth so that the saving principles and ordinances of the gospel could be correctly administered in order to help people come unto Christ.
 
President Gordon B. Hinckley also bore witness that the Church of Jesus Christ has been restored:
“This is the restored Church of Jesus Christ. . . . We testify that the heavens have been opened, that the curtains have been parted, that God has spoken, and that Jesus Christ has manifested Himself, followed by a bestowal of divine authority.
 
“Jesus Christ is the cornerstone of this work, and it is built upon a ‘foundation of . . . apostles and prophets’ (Ephesians 2:20)” (in Conference Report,
Oct. 2002, 87; or Ensign, Nov. 2002, 81).
Really?  How can Mormons possilby quote scripture from a book that was organized in the fourth century and specifically call out scripture by chapter and verse, even though they have their provenance in other religions, which are antithetical to your belief and an apostacy in the view of LDS?
 
And now begins the teaching of conversion from other faiths and the superiority of Mormonism with their unique and new scripture:
 
Elder Robert D. Hales of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles explained that faith is part of the fertile ground that nourishes conversion:
“The first seeds of conversion begin with an awareness of the gospel of Jesus Christ and a desire to know the truth concerning His restored Church.
‘Let this desire work in you’ (Alma 32:27)
. A desire to know the truth is like a seed which grows in the fertile ground of faith, patience, diligence and
long-suffering (see Alma 32:27–41). . . .
 
The Church of Christ Latter Day Saints makes no pretense as to who their target market is for conversion.
 
Elder Dallin H. Oaks taught that conversion requires a complete willingness to give up all practices contrary to the teachings of the restored
gospel:
“The gospel of Jesus Christ challenges us to change. ‘Repent’ is its most frequent message, and repenting means giving up all of our practices—
personal, family, ethnic, and national—that are contrary to the commandments of God. The purpose of the gospel is to transform common
creatures into celestial citizens, and that requires change” (in Conference Report, Oct. 2003, 39; or Ensign, Nov. 2003, 37).
 
So I could finish a whole dissortation on the subject of specific market converts and what LDS has to say about their doctrine but, suffice to say they are well aware of opposition to their faith and have a plan to counter objections.
 
Also, we are given specific demands of faith, by LDS, in their writings.  So why the opposition to being "called on the carpet" as it were?
 
I think down deep, many in LDS know there are some real challenges in the history of their formation, by "Apostles" and "Prophets".  They also know their founders had some real errors of heart and spirit, such as having several wives and even taking the wives of other men and then having those men officiate or act as witness to their wife being taken by another man.
 
Talk about losing your way.  I mean, what man would accept that god had commanded and ordained another man to take his wife?  Where would you scriptural imprimatur for such a thing?  No where.
 

19 posted on 04/08/2011 8:06:51 AM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: ZULU

Topic

Christian

Mormon

GOD There is only one God (Isaiah 43:11; 44:6,8; 45:5). "And they (the Gods) said: Let there be light: and there was light (Book of Abraham 4:3).
God has always been God (Psalm 90:2; Isaiah 57:15). "God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens!!! . . . We have imagined that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea and take away the veil, so that you may see," (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 345).
God is a spirit without flesh and bones (John 4:24; Luke 24:39). "The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man's," (Doctrine and Covenants 130:22; Compare with Alma 18:26-27; 22:9-10).
"Therefore we know that both the Father and the Son are in form and stature perfect men; each of them possesses a tangible body . . . of flesh and bones," (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 38).
TRINITY The Trinity is the doctrine that there is only one God in all the universe and that He exists in three eternal, simultaneous persons: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. The trinity is three separate Gods: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. "That these three are separate individuals, physically distinct from each other, is demonstrated by the accepted records of divine dealings with man," (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 35).
JESUS Jesus was born of the virgin Mary (Isaiah 7:14; Matt. 1:23). "The birth of the Saviour was as natural as are the births of our children; it was the result of natural action. He partook of flesh and blood - was begotten of his Father, as we were of our fathers," (Journal of Discourses, vol. 8, p. 115).
"Christ was begotten by an Immortal Father in the same way that mortal men are begotten by mortal fathers" (Mormon Doctrine, by Bruce McConkie, p. 547).
Jesus is the eternal Son. He is second person of the Trinity. He has two natures. He is God in flesh and man (John 1:1, 14; Col. 2;9) and the creator of all things (Col. 1:15-17). Jesus is the literal spirit-brother of Lucifer, a creation (Gospel Through the Ages, p. 15).
THE
HOLY
SPIRIT
The Holy Spirit is the third person of the Trinity. He is not a force. He is a person. (Acts 5:3-4; 13:2) Mormonism distinguishes between the Holy Spirit (God's presence via an essence) and the Holy Ghost (the third god in the Mormon doctrine of the trinity).
"He [the Holy Ghost] is a being endowed with the attributes and powers of Deity, and not a mere force, or essence," (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 144).
SALVATION Salvation is the forgiveness of sin and deliverance of the sinner from damnation. It is a free gift received by God's grace (Eph. 2:8; Rom. 6:23) and cannot be earned (Rom. 11:6). Salvation has a double meaning in Mormonism: universal resurrection and . . .
"The first effect [of the atonement] is to secure to all mankind alike, exemption from the penalty of the fall, thus providing a plan of General Salvation. The second effect is to open a way for Individual Salvation whereby mankind may secure remission of personal sins," (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 78-79).
Salvation (forgiveness of sins) is not by works (Eph. 2:8; Rom. 4:5; Gal. 2:21). "As these sins are the result of individual acts it is just that forgiveness for them should be conditioned on individual compliance with prescribed requirements -- 'obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel,'" (Articles of Faith, p. 79).
BIBLE The inspired inerrant word of God (2 Tim. 3:16). It is authoritative in all subjects it addresses. "We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly. . ." (8th Article of Faith of the Mormon Church).

This is only a sample of many of the differences between Christianity and Mormonism. As you can see, they are quite different doctrines.


20 posted on 04/08/2011 8:07:21 AM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: ZULU
It would appear to me, that by this article, the Mormons ARE Christians. They appear to just have a different view of the Trinity than we do.

Mormonism is as different from Christianity as Islam is from Christianity.

Both Mormonism and Islam grew out of Christianity.

Both recognize the Bible as "corrupted scripture" that has been corrected by a later set of scriptures.

Both claim Jesus Christ as part of their religion.

Neither believe Jesus was divine in the Christian sense (meaning Jesus was God and that there is one and only one God that is unique--Mormons believe in multiple (as in millions of) gods, Muslims believe there is only one God, but Jesus wasn't God).

Both claim a prophet came after Jesus, and their prophet's words are the final say.

Both believe in a salvation by works.

The truth is, as far as their religious beliefs, Mormonism is closer to Islam than traditional Christianity.

I don't mean that to be insulting. It's just the truth.

It's also the reason Mormons are not Christians, any more than Muslims are Christians.

21 posted on 04/08/2011 8:10:30 AM PDT by Brookhaven (Moderates = non-thinkers)
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To: ZULU

Do Christians get to be gods, too, like Mormons?


22 posted on 04/08/2011 8:13:04 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: ZULU

The Trinity is the core of Christianity. If they get that wrong nothing else matters.


23 posted on 04/08/2011 8:16:03 AM PDT by DManA
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To: arderkrag

I agree with that.


24 posted on 04/08/2011 8:17:44 AM PDT by DManA
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To: Vendome
For those who Trust in Jesus as their Savior, below are the characteristics of the Mormon jesus. See if these characteristics are the ones which fit the Jesus of the Bible, the Jesus you would trust as Savior:

Mormons believe Jesus was married at the marriage feast in Cana where He changed water into wine.

Mormons believe that the Mormon jesus was married to more than one woman.

The Mormon jesus was persecuted because he was a polygamist.

The Mormon jesus came into existence when his father in heaven created him along with his brothers and sisters, as a spirit being who was not yet a god.

Mormons believe Lucifer was one of the Mormon jesus's brothers, before the Mormon jesus became a man and later a god.

The Mormon jesus has become one individual god in a troika of gods which includes the Mormon jesus's father--who was once a man and inhabits a body of flesh and bones and through goodness gained the attributes of godhood when he was selected by a council of gods to be the god of earth--and the ‘never to receive a fleshly body’ holy spirit.

The Mormon jesus can save you, after all that you can do to be worthy of the grace of the Mormon godhead--which is, again, a troika of three gods working for a common purpose.

Mormons believe their jesus can save a person who rejected Him while in their body, by accepting a proxy baptism for them performed in a Mormon Temple by a Temple worthy Mormon.

The Mormon jesus gained the attributes of godhood through the life he lived in the flesh, which gained for that jesus exaltation.

___________________________________________________________

Every one of that list of the Mormon jesus characteristics is based upon the teachings from Mormon leaders who are attested as true by Mormons, for if they do not swear they attest to these teachers' characterizations then they have no temple recommend!

When a Mormon accuses someone who opposes those heresies regarding Jesus of lying about their religious beliefs, we post the actual quotes of the teachers who said these things about the jesus Mormons are trusting to save them after all that they can do. And when one comes to make a vague accusation because of this post, I will list the quotes as they have been listed throughout this thread and others for days now.

25 posted on 04/08/2011 8:17:49 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: ZULU

Meant to include you in the ping ... the LDS/Mormon jesus is not the Jesus of the Bible, nor is the Mormon/LDS god the same God of the Bible since in Mormon dogma the god of this earth had to gain the attributes of godhood AND be appointed to be the god over earth, and that appointed god then mated with his goddess wife and sired the Mormon jesus, his brother ‘lucifer’ and the souls of all human beings. Find that fiction written in the Bible and THEN you could claim Mormonism is Christian in nature.


26 posted on 04/08/2011 8:21:19 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: ZULU

All Christian denominations that I can think of do not consider Mormons Christian because of their view of the Trinity. The Trinity is an essential part of Christianity in all their theologies. The Nicene Creed is accepted by all of the major Christian denominations (from Eastern Orthodox, to Catholic, Protestant etc.). The LDS document The Great Apostrophe lays out the differences where the LDS church feels the rest of Christianity is wrong. This is an authoritative document backed by the 12 Apostles and has been for years. Basically it’s a rejection of what they feel is the improper overlaying of Greek thought on Christianity which they feel totally distorts Christianity.

That said it doesn’t mean that Mormons are evil, or a cult just that they believe substantially different that vast majority of Christians do and think were wrong and need to correct our theology.


27 posted on 04/08/2011 8:22:31 AM PDT by airedale
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To: jimt
"...not scurrilous attacks."

You mean like mormons and others calling people "haters", "pigs", "swine", "yammering mocking demons", etc. for posting mormon doctrine and trying to discuss it?

"Doctrinal arguments can be good."

Says the one who calls others "haters" for posting/discussing mormon doctrine. Ya know, your "3 minutes of hate" comments without even bothering to see if there will be a discussion.

Hypocrite.

Mormon doctrine is not Christian doctrine. The mormons are free to believe as they will, but trying to co-opt Christian doctrine and then twist it into something else is deserving of scorn and our contention towards them.

By claiming that;

god had physical sex with Mary to conceive jesus,

saying that god and jesus are polygamists and are busy having eternal celestial sex in heaven to create spirit babies,

that all men are capable of earning godhood,

to then rule over their own planet and having eternal, polygamous sex to procreate spirits to populate their planet

makes them anything but Christian according to Christian beliefs and doctrines and they're going to be rebutted/refuted.

28 posted on 04/08/2011 8:23:44 AM PDT by SZonian (July 27, 2010. Life begins anew.)
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To: MHGinTN

Yeah, they get upset about quoting their scripture and their quotes.

It’s like “You weren’t suppose to know that or have that secret knowledge”.

Whatever.


29 posted on 04/08/2011 8:26:31 AM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: Jack Hydrazine

NO.

You are not worthy....


30 posted on 04/08/2011 8:28:52 AM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: airedale

Apostasy


When individuals or groups of people turn away from the principles of the gospel, they are in a state of apostasy. One example is the Great Apostasy, which occurred after the Savior established His Church. After the deaths of the Savior and His Apostles, men corrupted the principles of the gospel and made unauthorized changes in Church organization and priesthood ordinances. Because of this widespread apostasy, the Lord withdrew the authority of the priesthood from the earth. This apostasy lasted until Heavenly Father and His Beloved Son appeared to Joseph Smith in 1820 and initiated the restoration of the fulness of the gospel.

Additional Information

During the Great Apostasy, people were without divine direction from living prophets. Many churches were established, but they did not have priesthood power to lead people to the true knowledge of God the Father and Jesus Christ. Parts of the holy scriptures were corrupted or lost, and no one had the authority to confer the gift of the Holy Ghost or perform other priesthood ordinances.

We now live in a time when the gospel of Jesus Christ has been restored. But unlike the Church in times past, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints will not be overcome by general apostasy. The scriptures teach that the Church will never again be destroyed (see D&C 138:44; see also Daniel 2:44).

Although there will not be another general apostasy from the truth, we must each guard against personal apostasy by keeping covenants, obeying the commandments, following Church leaders, partaking of the sacrament, and constantly strengthening our testimonies through daily scripture study, prayer, and service.

See also Church Administration; Priesthood; Restoration of the Gospel

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31 posted on 04/08/2011 8:31:43 AM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: ZULU
If you are willing to ignore slanderous ideas about your savior as a “All paths are correct” Christian, then yes, I guess one could argue that the LDS are “Christian” They do follow a fellow with the same name.

Some of us love our Savior a bit more than that.

32 posted on 04/08/2011 8:33:10 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: ZULU; All; Zakeet
From the article: By and large any controversy in this matter has swirled around two doctrinal issues—our view of the Godhead..

Ah, Lds "apostle" Jeffrey Holland, one of the "fave" speakers many Mormons like to here.

And here he not only reducing the number of distinctive key beliefs Mormons have distorted -- down to just "two" -- but even on the one above...reducing the view of "Divinity" to just distinct vantage points to this...pure reductionism.

So, here's some questions for you, Mr. Holland, and by extension, you Mr. Zulu, and by further extension, all you Mormons out there:

Is the Mormon belief in a wife-God of God the Father -- is she part of this grand "godhead," too? (No? Oh, so it's some kind of minor, secondary, trivial "issue" as to how many gods Christians honor from your perspective? Oh. I see)

Is the Mormon belief that your god was a former man who was appointed a god for this world -- an appointment made by the head of the gods -- is this "head god" part of this grand "godhead," too? (No? Oh, so that's some kind of minor, secondary, trivial "issue" as to how many more gods Christians honor from your perspective, eh? Oh. I see)

And the same goes for that "council of gods" that the "head Mormon god" heads up. Irrelevant, too?

And, then, what about all these former Mormon men and women heading up into godhood status. More theological trivial pursuit?

Sorry, Zulu. You and Mormons not only flunk theology, but simple math.

Time to hand back your high school diploma and go do some remedial math "learnin'."

The Bible says to worship ONE God and have NO OTHER gods before Him -- and Isaiah the prophet (read chapters 43, 44, 45) repeatedly emphasizes our God knows of no other true God -- and no God is beside Him.

Mormons not only have a handful of gods, but they are a pretend "god factory."

All: Steer clear of this cult.

33 posted on 04/08/2011 8:43:27 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: airedale

From LDS affairs

How Do Mormon Beliefs Differ From Other Christians?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KB3lPCqDKBM


34 posted on 04/08/2011 8:44:58 AM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: ZULU
There should be a pool on how long it will take for ‘elsie’ to chime in. and in. and in. and in.

Mormon bashing is her raison d’etra.

sad...anc comical

35 posted on 04/08/2011 8:48:29 AM PDT by maine-iac7 ("We stand together or we fall apart" mt)
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To: Colofornian

You ask too many questions.

Read the book of Mormon 1st Nephi and if you truly have an open heart and honestly seek truth . . . then I’m sure you will know the Book of Mormon is true and light will be revealed to you.
/s


36 posted on 04/08/2011 8:49:16 AM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: maine-iac7

Looked at another way, we are here to point out the differences between LDS and Christianity.

Everytime they knock on a door they are prepared to tell other differences and why their truth is superior.

Doesn’t make them bad people and it doesn’t make us good people.

We are just people with different theological and doctrinal differences.


37 posted on 04/08/2011 8:52:18 AM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: ZULU
It would appear to me, that by this article, the Mormons ARE Christians.

I'm gobsmacked that you believe that this article, by a "general authority" of the mormon church would cause you to believe that mormons are Christian.

For others on this thread, here is information taken directly from the official mormon website that directly contradicts the claim that mormons are Christian.

Priesthood Ordinances and Blessings - Mormon

Also, here is more information for everyone:

Seekers of truth,

If you peruse the Free Republic religion forums you will notice a pattern. There's an Pro-Christian group of people here that spends a great deal of their time posting factual articles from various sources about the LDS church.  Many of the articles come from the official site, LDS.org.

They have a calling to contend for Jesus Christ. You can witness many different tactics employed that you might find quite interesting. They will rebut the fallacies in the original mormon article with true Biblical facts, and provide the URLs to them so that you too may read them for yourselves. They will also present conflicting statements from different LDS leaders with the attending source to these statements, usually historical documents or scriptures.

LDS persons SAY they have no issue whatsoever having their scriptures or leaders quoted as long as it is presented fairly and accurately. This is usually not true. LDS persons,  including their 52,000 missionaries, with influence from their highest leaders do not WANT their beliefs presented "fairly" and especially not "accurately".  That is why they will use every tactic to prevent the pro-Christian material that rebuts claims presented by the LDS church from coming to light

Another favorite tactic of the Pro-Christian group is posting scripture or statements which on their own really present no dilemma, yet in many cases present doctrine that many LDS members are unaware of.

That's a Christlike thing to do right?  It does speak volumes about them .

Some of the Pro-Christians bring special witness to you as being former Mormons. So someone who is an ex-member of any organization would be in a good position to carry the message of their own experience. 

 The LDS Church gains members from other denominations as well as others faiths all the time. The Pro-Christian group wishes to see that any gain in membership in the LDS church is done with the new applicant for membership having FULL KNOWLEDGE of the requirements, promises and arcane beliefs that they are becoming a part of.

After reading their posts, I invite you to seek the truth about whatever "issue" the Pro-Christians seem to be "revealing" or "exposing". I promise that if you do so with honest intent, the "ahah" moments you will have will be many and frequent. You will start to recognize the tactics employed to bring to you the difference between your original concept of mormonism and what it actually is....a fraud perpetrated by a con man, adulterer and thief.

The goal of the Pro-Christian group is to provide you with tools to investigate a sect that spends millions and millions each year to spread its false message, so that you can question the clever lies and attempts to co-opt the message of real Christianity.

 Read the articles posted from mormon sources, question the belief therein, ask questions of the Pro-Christians and PRAY WITH THEM FOR GUIDANCE.  Do NOT fall into the trap presented by mormons to "read the Book of Mormon and pray to find if it is true".  It will be presented in a way that appeals to your senses, rather than your ability to study the Bible, compare it to the Book of Mormon and use your own good common sense to decide if God did indeed yank His Gospel from the Earth,  wait centuries, then choose a young man with a doubtful past to "restore" it.  There is no need for a "Restoration of the Gospel".  There is no need for earthly temples in which to take part in masonic rituals to gain salvation.  So again, seek the truth.  Use your God-given brain and discernment.

John 6:40 (American Standard Version)  "For this is the will of my Father, that every one that beholdeth the Son, and believeth on him, should have eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day." You cannot "work" your way, or "worthy" your way to Salvation.

Be wary. If you "seek" on the internet, be aware that the LDS church has a very heavy presence there, and in fact one of its groups boasts of having over 300 websites filled with mormon proselytizing. Unfortunately, "Jesus Christ.org" is one domain owned by the LDS church and is very misleading.   If you visit there, be aware you are not seeing the true Christian message.

Here are only two links that will help you get started 

"Are Mormons Christian-Part 1"

"Are Mormons Christian-Part 2"

Any one of the Flying Inmans will be happy to answer questions and provide links to help you along the way.

 

God bless you in your journey to true Salvation.


38 posted on 04/08/2011 8:54:53 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (White House war strategy 2011: Sun Tzu meets Barney Fife..H/T Iowahawk)
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To: Vendome

Dang it! I really wanted to get that godship thing going before I left this Earth. I’m going to apply for five virgins instead! LOL!


39 posted on 04/08/2011 9:01:57 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: maine-iac7; Elsie
One of the oddest things I see around here from the LDS. Elsie most often posts direct, cited references from LDS material yet it is “bashing”.

To me it seems if the material stood the test anyone could post it, cited, and it would honor those who follow the precepts...

Instead it is met with personal attacks devoid of any attempt at explaining the material, it's context much less a rebuttal of any points of disagreement.

Perhaps the issue is not the poster but the material...

Hum...

40 posted on 04/08/2011 9:12:29 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: airedale

What confuses me on this issue is the fact that there were Christian “heresies” which existed in the Early Church which had all kinds of odd ideas about the nature of the Trinity and personality of Christ, yet they were considered Christians, even though they were thought ot be heretical.

I think the distinctions as laid out by other posters indicate other issues beyond the Trinity one.

Sorry about posting this in News. I made a mistake.

But its interesting to see the responses.

I am not a Mormon, just curious about why so many people apparently dislike them.


41 posted on 04/08/2011 9:13:34 AM PDT by ZULU (Lindsey Graham is a nanometrical pustule of pusillanimous putrescent excrement)
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To: Colofornian

I’m neither a Mormon, nor proselytizing for them. I don;t know much about them and was curious about the antipathy towards them.

I think I get it.


42 posted on 04/08/2011 9:15:23 AM PDT by ZULU (Lindsey Graham is a nanometrical pustule of pusillanimous putrescent excrement)
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To: ZULU
"...just curious about why so many people apparently dislike them."

Just for the record, I don't dislike "them". I am friends with many mormons, I am married to a mormon. I dislike SLC's church doctrines/tenets/history, etc. A distinction many fail to consider.

Some/many will argue that it's not possible to dislike an organization that one bases their faith on without disliking the individual.

I would argue otherwise. There are many of us who are in "part-member" families, yet still speak out/attempt to discuss our reasons for not agreeing with mormonISM.

43 posted on 04/08/2011 9:30:47 AM PDT by SZonian (July 27, 2010. Life begins anew.)
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To: ZULU

I didn’t see a single post on this thread about dislike of individual Mormons, but I saw many posts about the insufficiency of MormonISM as a doctrine.

In polite societies, it is encouraged to actually discuss ideas. I wonder why so many people are averse to the discussion of the ideas of Mormonism.


44 posted on 04/08/2011 9:31:28 AM PDT by colorcountry (Comforting lies are not your friends. Painful truths are not your enemies.)
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To: ZULU; Admin Moderator

Shouldn’t this be in “Religion?”


45 posted on 04/08/2011 9:36:05 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Hachodesh hazeh lakhem ro'sh chodashim; ri'shon hu' lakhem lechodshey hashanah.)
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To: ZULU; All
antipathy

'Tis many reasons for such antipathy, including the reality that for 180 years Mormons have called Christians "the whore of Babylon," "corrupt," (ALL of us), apostate, and embracers of putrid creeds (ALL creeds as "abominable").

But let me mention another.

Let's say your entire family was victimized by an identity thief who stole what he could from you/them.

That person is a counterfeiter.

They have barged in and stolen the reputation, including the financial reputation, of your family. How would you feel about that?

What the Holy Spirit builds up, Mormons come in and rip off and then in the supposed name of Christianity, leave a reputation so mockworthy that all I've seen for weeks & weeks is dozens & dozens & dozens of articles on the Book of Mormon Broadway/off-Broadway productions.

And so then the makers of this stage production not only take shots @ Mormons, but Christianity & religion as well.

Some people seeing this production think Mormonism is just another version of "Christianity" and pile on their distortions of Christianity based upon how Mormonism itself has distorted it!

People don't take kindly to identity thieves.

Once upon a time, Mormon leaders steered clear of the Christian brand name. No more. Now it's coveted. Brand name identity is openly coveted by Mormon leaders and Mormon grass roots alike -- with no repentance coming from them about such coveting.

They've been given a brand name choice of going down with the fundamentalist Mormons, who they once were theologically and sociologically, or reinvent themselves as "Christian." Gee. Tough decision.

The only "probs" are...they've got hundreds of thousands to millions of gods...
...& a "Jesus Christ" who was "begotten" by a physical-body Father who was the literal paternity father of Jesus through Mary (that's Lds' "apostle" McConkie's words -- "paternity")...so Zulu, how do you think Christians feel about that? That Brigham Young said God the Father came down & impregnated Mary "rather than letting any other man do it"???

Not exactly a cause for celebration, eh?

What would be a cause for celebration is for Mormons to leave the pig sty of Mormon feed in those troughs of theirs & head on home where their Heavenly Father still loves them...and runs to greet them.

46 posted on 04/08/2011 9:46:39 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: ZULU
I’m neither a Mormon, nor proselytizing for them. I don;t know much about them and was curious about the antipathy towards them.

Well, I'm curious why your curiousity would lead you to this particular "testimony" and then convince you that mormons are Christian? Did someone point this article out to you? Did you do further investigation? I notice that you have shown little interest in posting religious articles before.

Link

Also, "antipathy" towards mormon belief is NOT antipathy towards individual mormons...I have antipathy towards the actions of democrats, but not towards the individuals.

I suggest you read this thread for information that is from mormon sources about the "christ" that mormons believe in.

HERE

We welcome you to any of the threads that we have posted in the Religion Forum for further investigation.

47 posted on 04/08/2011 9:54:04 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (White House war strategy 2011: Sun Tzu meets Barney Fife..H/T Iowahawk)
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To: maine-iac7; Elsie
There should be a pool on how long it will take for ‘elsie’ to chime in. and in. and in. and in. Mormon bashing is her raison d’etra. sad...anc comical

I think that you should re-read the forum rules about personal attacks.

BTW, it is common forum courtesy to ping posters whom you are talking about.

48 posted on 04/08/2011 9:57:54 AM PDT by CommerceComet (Governor Romney, why would any conservative vote for the author of the beta version of ObamaCare?)
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To: ZULU

It was kind of settled in the Council of Nicaea and by Emperor Constantine. That council and his efforts are worth reading about. It’s part of the reason the LDS church has a problem with what the Christian community believes and why none of the Christian denominations accept the LDS as Christian (they rejected us we didn’t reject them). I think it was Orgin that believed in reincarnation and there were all kinds of fights about the nature of Jesus (a man, totally divine, created by God which makes Jesus a creature not a child, etc) Every line in the Nicene Creed was fought over and is a dense theological statement. You need to study it line by line and find out why it was written that way and what heresy(ies) it was addressing. It underlies pretty much all future theology and fights over theology. I’ve noticed that the Methodist Church here on the Left Coast has been downplaying it and the earlier creeds in favor of the “social creeds”. It would require a lot of teaching to get the people to understand the what and why of what they were reading and saying. I’ve got to think about it, but it might put the brakes on some of the liberal theology that is being pushed here on the left coast as well. Time for more study.

Heresies existed before and after the Council of Nicaea. Man trying to explain the nature of God is always tough. It was over heresies and sharing of power that the Eastern Orthodox split from the Catholic Church. Protestantism was founded on heresies (in eyes of Catholic Church) and they haven’t been reconciled to this day which is why the Catholic Church doesn’t recognize communion in the Protestant Churches and if you’re a Protestant you aren’t supposed to take Communion in a Catholic Church (honestly, I think it’s now about power and tradition than it is about important things. I’m about 100% sure that the Calvinists and Presbyterians no longer believe in predestination for example. To me that’s a major heresy, but I’m a Methodist we’re like the Anglican and Catholic Church and don’t accept predestination at all)


49 posted on 04/08/2011 10:09:46 AM PDT by airedale
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To: ZULU

A different ‘view’ of the Trinity eh

They believe in three SEPARATE ‘Gods’, plus believe there are uncounted multitudes of other ‘gods’ in existence. In short - polytheism.

Christian Trinity is a SINGULAR God that manifests in three Persons.

Propaganda.


50 posted on 04/08/2011 10:18:06 AM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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