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Catholic Revert: Richard Evans (Why I'm Catholic)
Why I Am Catolic ^ | May 6, 2011 | Richard Evans

Posted on 05/06/2011 2:36:31 PM PDT by NYer

After being raised Catholic, Richard Evans left the Catholic Church from ages 15-49, becoming an Evangelical minister and eventually a gay activist. This is the story of his departure and return to the fullness of the Catholic faith.

After Coming Out, I Came Home

I CANNOT RECALL A TIME WHEN I WAS NOT AWARE OF GOD IN MY LIFE. While other little boys were planning to be firemen or police, I often said, even at age seven or eight, "I want to be pope!" I jumped at the chance to become an altar boy, having already had much practice as the family "priest" when we played Mass—complete, at times, with flattened "hosts" made of white bread and cut out with bottle caps. The idea of actually serving next to the priest at the real Mass was incredible to me, and I did so with joy for the next four years.

When I was 11, my mother, who had assisted in the Catholic conversion of my father when they were married, had a crisis of faith. It was the late 1960's, and both the nation and some in the Church had become radical in many ways. The Church began to share more publicly some of the mistakes made in years past, and my mother's faith in the one institution she trusted most was shaken deeply. She began visiting a number of local churches and eventually settled in at the local Assembly of God. I remember telling her that I was afraid for her soul—a bit bold for a 6th grader—but eventually found myself visiting services with her occasionally.

It did not escape my notice that these very kind people read and used their Bible at every service and seemed to know it well. Even those in the youth group tried seriously to live their faith on a daily basis. I was impressed. I found myself attending regularly, and the calling I had once sensed to possible priesthood became directed towards evangelical ministry.

Around this time (I was 14 by then), I had my own faith crisis and began questioning all I had ever been taught, both Catholic and Protestant. One day I just went to a quiet corner of the house and told God that I didn't really care if I was Catholic, Protestant, or Buddhist, but just wanted to know who he was. A few weeks later, the pastor prayed with me to "accept Jesus," and I did so eagerly. While no thunderbolts exploded in the sky, deep within me I knew that Christ was real, and that I wished to serve him for the rest of my life.

A Lonely Secret

Having hit puberty and all of its accompanying hormones, I also realized I had some desires that most other boys my age didn't seem to share: While they talked excitedly about girls and football, I found myself having "crushes" on some of the other young men in our church and school. I had noticed these feelings years earlier; however being raised in a home where sex was never once discussed, I did not know what they were called or why I had them. Only at age 11, after reading an issue of Look magazine, did I put a name to my desires—was I a "homosexual?" I did not know but suspected I was, and also knew it was something I could tell no one—period. It is lonely to have such a secret at that young age. Later, after my experience at the Assembly of God church, I came to understand that this was, from a biblical standpoint, sinful behavior.

Growing up, I did not identify myself as "gay." I finished high school and attended an Assemblies of God Bible college. I remained a virgin until I married a very sincere and caring Christian woman. But the feelings were there, and even after 12 years of licensed ministry and marriage they remained a strong and disturbing temptation.

At age 34 I decided to revisit all of the Scripture passages on homosexuality and see if there was something I had not understood. It was not my desire to "go out and sin," but I sincerely wished to know if there was an possibility that I had missed. Studying each passage, I used every tool at my disposal, such as Greek and Hebrew lexicons and books written with both traditional and "pro-gay" theology. I concluded, after months of study, prayer, and even fasting, that the Bible was just not as clear on the topic as I had once believed. Because I could not seem to find unambiguous answers in the Bible alone and rejected Sacred Tradition at that time, I based my subsequent conclusions on science, current thinking in psychology, and the lived experiences of others. All of these seemed to point towards accepting and embracing my "gayness," and that is what I did. My marriage ended in 1991, and for the next 15 years, though still loving God in my own way, I lived what is commonly called the gay lifestyle.

Man with a Country

The long journey back to faith began when I started attending a local Methodist church that was both accepting and yet very evangelical. The congregants were certainly not "pro-gay" by any means but loving and charitable. I found myself digging once again into the Scriptures on a regular basis, and I became celibate, at first not by choice but eventually with enthusiasm. On the other hand, I still held on for dear life to my "pro-gay theology." Go figure.

In 2004, I saw a The Passion of the Christ, and a hunger for the Jesus of my childhood was stirred within me in ways I cannot even yet describe. I was daily listening to Protestant talk radio, which questioned the faith of people such as Jim Caviezel simply because they were Catholic. This incensed me, as I had all my life known many Catholics who loved God with all their heart, and as a result I had never gotten caught up in an anti-Catholic attitude. Although I did not fully espouse the Church's theology, my memories of Catholicism were mostly fond ones, and I knew what I was hearing was simply not true or accurate.

Then, in 2005, while attending a "gay marriage" rally at the Minnesota State Capitol, I found myself walking away when the leader of a prominent GLBT (gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender) lobbying group began to rail against those who believed in the Bible. It tore me up inside to have to choose between two groups I was part of, "Bible believing Christians" and those who lived with homosexual inclinations. But at that moment the line was drawn in the sand. Even in my activist years I knew that this radicalism was not tolerance, and I had always known, if it ever came to choosing between God and a lifestyle that was for this world only, I would follow him, no matter where he lead me. I left the rally feeling like a "man without a country," not fully on board with the Church or with the radicals I had been listening to. I only knew I loved Christ and I loved homosexually inclined people too, and that the two groups seemed very nearly to hate each other.

Searching for answers, I found a book called Beyond Gay by David Morrison. In his story I found some amazing parallels with my own, as he too was a gay activist who came back to Christ through a very caring Evangelical church, and who now believed in a concept I had never heard of: same-sex attraction. He suggested rather than concentrating on being "cured," our main goal should be holiness—which meant celibacy and lifelong chastity and not letting a set of feelings define who we were. Morrison had become Catholic during his search for wholeness and was now working extensively with a Catholic-based ministry named Courage. Surprised and hopeful at his sane approach to this topic, I was finally, once again, a man with a country.

Christianity from the Top

That same summer, another seemingly unrelated series of events began to propel me towards the Church, at last pushing me through the door.

During the 1950s, some Evangelical Protestant missionaries were in Ecuador, and 5 young men were killed by an obscure but very violent tribe they were trying to reach with the Gospel. The widow of Jim Elliott, one of the martyrs, later published his writings. This story had gripped me deeply as a teen. Now I found myself reading extensively about it once again, as the 50th anniversary of their deaths neared. Mrs. Elliott and the sister of another of the martyrs, Nate Saint, had later lived with the tribe who killed their husband and brother, and nearly the whole tribe was converted.

With a new hunger to serve Christ and do whatever he wished for my life, I learned that Elisabeth Elliot's brother, Dr. Thomas Howard, former chief editor of Christianity Today magazine, had too become a Catholic! Although at first disturbed by this conversion, I became curious why someone from such an amazing Evangelical family would jump ship. I decided to find out why.

By this point I had my fill of old-school Christian talk radio, especially the anti-Catholic sentiments often expressed, and on occasion, l found myself watching Catholic television instead. I was surprised to hear almost none of the bigotry I had been listening to and was amazed at the level of kindness and respect shown to everyone, friend or foe—while maintaining traditional Catholic stances. I particularly loved a certain nun and found myself hooked on Mother Angelica Live. I started watching the Mass, almost daily, and eventually discovered a program called The Journey Home. I learned of Dr. Scott Hahn and other Protestant ministers who had come into the Church during the 35 years I had been away. I also learned that there was now a new Catechism of the Catholic Church. Digging into Church teaching, Bible in one hand and Catechism in the other, it finally dawned on me that, unlike what I had been led to believe during my many years as a Protestant, the Catholic Church did indeed teach correct Christianity from the top, so to speak. I always believed that there were Catholic Christians, but I had assumed that this was in spite of Rome, not because of it. Now I realized I had been wrong about this my entire adult life.

The final thing that happened after this rapid-fire convergence of events was reading Scott and Kimberly Hahn's book Rome Sweet Home, in which they chronicle their own struggles and journey from Protestant to Catholic. I ended up devouring it nearly in one sitting. At the end knew I needed to return to the Church—and soon.

In the early morning just a day or two later, I walked to Mass at a nearby parish and for the first time in 35 years went to Reconciliation and the Eucharist. This was on October 4, 2005, which was the memorial of St. Francis of Assisi (who also had a checkered past) and also Rosh Hashanah, the Jewish New Year. And it was indeed a new beginning for me. Many questions remained, but at age 50 I was confirmed as "Stephen Francis" on April 15, 2006. Home at last!

Richard G. Evans lives in Minneapolis, MN, and works as a staffing coordinator for a large hospital system in the St. Paul area. He is single, and besides his love of the Catholic faith, he also enjoys collecting vintage records and phonographs, particularly jazz and blues.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Evangelical Christian
KEYWORDS: catholic; evangelical; homosexualagenda; revert; richardevans
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1 posted on 05/06/2011 2:36:33 PM PDT by NYer
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; SumProVita; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 05/06/2011 2:37:17 PM PDT by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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To: NYer

Very inspiring. Reminds me of His First Commandment! (now no longer valid obviously.)


3 posted on 05/06/2011 2:42:04 PM PDT by golux
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To: NYer
"our main goal should be holiness"

Amen!

4 posted on 05/06/2011 2:45:03 PM PDT by ConjunctionJunction
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Why I am not a Catholic, by Dutchboy88

Never mind, the list is too long to post and the book is not out yet.


5 posted on 05/06/2011 2:48:46 PM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: Dutchboy88

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6 posted on 05/06/2011 2:51:51 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Shemp was the Fourth Stooge of the Apocalypse.)
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To: Dutchboy88

Knowing you it will appear under “New Fiction” anyway.


7 posted on 05/06/2011 2:52:40 PM PDT by vladimir998 (When people deny truth exists they must be wrong)
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To: vladimir998

Well, the trying-to-be-an-ex-homosexual that heads for Rome Sweet Home is likely to be some good company with the pederast priests that love the little boys. And that, my FRiend, is no fiction.

Too bad he didn’t just stick with the Gospel that the 5 men in Ecuador believed. It was biblical and sufficient. Unfortunately, many folks think they need something more than Christ.


8 posted on 05/06/2011 3:10:33 PM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: Dutchboy88

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9 posted on 05/06/2011 3:22:44 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Shemp was the Fourth Stooge of the Apocalypse.)
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To: Dutchboy88

Where is the Outrage? (protestant pedophiles)

Penn State professor Philip Jenkens reported that between 2 to 3 percent of Protestant clergy are pedophiles. His same study reported that less than 1.7 percent of Catholic priests are pedophiles. There is simply no reason to think that clergy child molesters are solely a Catholic problem. The results of this survey were reported in the book, Ministerial Ethics by Joe Trull and James Carter (2d ed. 2004), and in The Baptist Standard editorial, “Churches must act to prevent clergy sexual abuse,” 4/22/2002. (source: The voice of SNAP Baptist).
http://stopbaptistpredators.org/alarmingnumbers.html


10 posted on 05/06/2011 3:48:49 PM PDT by bronxville (Sarah will be the first American female president.)
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To: bronxville

I suppose that without the little altar boys and without the cloistered celibacy that problem is not really happening among biblical Christians. Since all manner of non-catholic kooky cults, television “evangelists”, and emerging church heretics are usually included under the term “Protestant”, I have no idea how bad the situation might be in those errant groups. But, it is at epidemic proportions in the Roman crowd.


11 posted on 05/06/2011 3:58:49 PM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: Dutchboy88

“Well, the trying-to-be-an-ex-homosexual that heads for Rome Sweet Home is likely to be some good company with the pederast priests that love the little boys. And that, my FRiend, is no fiction.”

Where is the Outrage? (protestant pedophiles)
stop baptist predators ^ | 01-01-2011 | staff

Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2011 1:27:57 AM by bronxville

So many Baptist clergy could not possibly get away with so much abuse unless many others were complicit in turning a blind eye. Why do Baptist leaders tolerate the presence of ministerial colleagues who sexually abuse the young and vulnerable? Why do people in the pews not rise up and demand that their leaders be held accountable? Where’s the outrage?

Why don’t people at Bellevue Baptist in Memphis demand the resignation of Pastor Steve Gaines, who admittedly kept quiet about a staff minister’s sexual abuse of a kid?

Why don’t people at Trinity Baptist demand the resignation of Pastor Tom Messer, about whom there is significant evidence that he knew of a minister’s serial sexual abuse of kids?

Why do so many people act as though clergy-abuse cover-ups are no big deal?
Continued -
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2709296/posts


12 posted on 05/06/2011 3:59:03 PM PDT by bronxville (Sarah will be the first American female president.)
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To: Dutchboy88

“I suppose that without the little altar boys and without the cloistered celibacy that problem is not really happening among biblical Christians. Since all manner of non-catholic kooky cults, television “evangelists”, and emerging church heretics are usually included under the term “Protestant”, I have no idea how bad the situation might be in those errant groups. But, it is at epidemic proportions in the Roman crowd.”

Mainline Protestants have followed the excellent Catholic program started a decade age and are doing fine. I suggest you do your own research on the rest. I’ve given you a heads start.


13 posted on 05/06/2011 4:02:24 PM PDT by bronxville (Sarah will be the first American female president.)
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To: NYer

“By this point I had my fill of old-school Christian talk radio, especially the anti-Catholic sentiments often expressed, and on occasion, l found myself watching Catholic television instead. I was surprised to hear almost none of the bigotry I had been listening to and was amazed at the level of kindness and respect shown to everyone, friend or foe—while maintaining traditional Catholic stances.”

EWTN does show the utmost respect to all of our fellow Christians. I can’t say whether it’s returned as I don’t listen to any other religous media tough do notice a distinct uncharitable flavor towards Catholics from some groupies on this forum.


14 posted on 05/06/2011 4:10:45 PM PDT by bronxville (Sarah will be the first American female president.)
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To: bronxville

I agree that both the Catholic and evangelical churches are responsible to watch for pedophile behavior of their priests and pastors. Both will be judged by God at the end. I would hate to stand before the Lord being accused and judged guilty of this.

With the above out of the way, the Bible says very clearly when you become a new Christian, you are a new person. That means that Christ has made you a new person. He comes to live in you. That doesn’t mean that a new Christian is not going to have the sinful desires, he or she probably will. They may experience what is known as a bounce, they will bounce between doing right to please God and doing wrong to please their old sin nature. As a person grows in Jesus, there should be less and less desire to please the old sin nature. He becomes dependent on the Holy Spirit to set him free from homosexual or whatever desires that are wrong. God can set a person free of lust, but they must learn to abide in Jesus, too, and not return to the old ways of life.


15 posted on 05/06/2011 4:15:47 PM PDT by Buddygirl
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To: NYer
I learned that Elisabeth Elliot's brother, Dr. Thomas Howard...

That is something that I never knew. I remember reading "Chance or the Dance" roughly two decades ago.

16 posted on 05/06/2011 4:29:42 PM PDT by Chesterbelloc
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To: Dutchboy88; vladimir998
Well, the trying-to-be-an-ex-homosexual that heads for Rome Sweet Home is likely to be some good company with the pederast priests that love the little boys.

Protestant ministers who have sexually abused minor children

17 posted on 05/06/2011 4:35:33 PM PDT by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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To: Dutchboy88; vladimir998
Homosexuality is wrong but we must love the homosexual unconditionally.

Why Homosexuality Is Wrong (A Baptist pastor speaks up)

18 posted on 05/06/2011 4:39:20 PM PDT by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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To: Dutchboy88

You wrote:

“Well, the trying-to-be-an-ex-homosexual that heads for Rome Sweet Home is likely to be some good company with the pederast priests that love the little boys. And that, my FRiend, is no fiction.”

Yeah, actually it is. First, all those who gave an indication of being “pederast priests that love the little boys” are gone. Most have been gone for decades. Some were thrown out 8 years ago. Those few who do anything like that now (less than 10 cases in the year 2010 or perhaps 2009) are instantly ousted from ministry. Second, it seems clear this man is trying to live a moral life. Even if he is afflicated with homosexual desires, that does not mean he will take up with pedophiles.

“Too bad he didn’t just stick with the Gospel that the 5 men in Ecuador believed.”

Why stick with a false gospel?

” It was biblical and sufficient.”

Actually it was neither.

” Unfortunately, many folks think they need something more than Christ.”

No, many just want the whole Christ and not the less-than-whole Protestant version.


19 posted on 05/06/2011 4:52:24 PM PDT by vladimir998 (When people deny truth exists they must be wrong)
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To: NYer

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Is that in the YOPIOS catholic version of the Bible?


20 posted on 05/06/2011 5:28:16 PM PDT by Dutchboy88
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But, it is at epidemic proportions in the Roman crowd.

Um, no, it's not. In the past 50 years, when the abuse that has been uncovered occurred, the total percentage of priests involved in any abuse was not more than 2%.

The effects of liberal attitudes on the Catholic Church were big, and many times deleterious, but we're seeing movement back to faithfulness, and away from the progressivism that gave rise to much of that abuse.

21 posted on 05/06/2011 9:51:05 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: NYer

It seems that most of these stories of reversion follow a similar path.

While I left the Church because it was “too restrictive”, as I grew up, I found that following my own desires had left me cold and I was missing something huge in my life.

I thank God every day for never letting go of me.


22 posted on 05/06/2011 11:32:13 PM PDT by Jvette
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To: bronxville
Penn State professor Philip Jenkens reported that between 2 to 3 percent of Protestant clergy are pedophiles. His same study reported that less than 1.7 percent of Catholic priests are pedophiles. There is simply no reason to think that clergy child molesters are solely a Catholic problem.

In no way could the study be accurate...

In the Protestant religions, the guilty are ostracized while in the Catholic religion the guilty are hidden, moved around to new locations and allowed and apparently encouraged to continue on with their crimes...

The 1.7% may reflect how many Catholic clergy have become exposed to the general public but it's the ones that your religion hides and protects that we are more concerned about...And we have no idea how many of them there are...

23 posted on 05/07/2011 1:33:09 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: SuziQ
The effects of liberal attitudes on the Catholic Church were big, and many times deleterious, but we're seeing movement back to faithfulness, and away from the progressivism that gave rise to much of that abuse.

Most of you guys voted for a pro abortion, pro homosexual Obama...You could be mistaken in your assessment...

24 posted on 05/07/2011 1:40:50 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: bronxville; NYer; Dutchboy88
EWTN does show the utmost respect to all of our fellow Christians.

Rather it sounds like they cater to those who have "itching ears". The scriptures are meant to convict the soul-not pacify it. It is to show how far short we have fallen from God's standard and to ask Him for His grace to overcome our sinful nature. Those who show "respect" to Christians without convicting the soul are doing them, and God, a disservice. Please remember the Jews in Jeremiah's time found their greatest comfort through the priests in the Temple of God who told the people just what they wanted to hear. Jeremiah on the other hand wanted nothing to do with it and rightfully warned of God's wrath that was to come-especially hard on those who practice such deceit.

25 posted on 05/07/2011 5:06:58 AM PDT by HarleyD
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To: Iscool; bronxville; Cronos; Natural Law
In the Protestant religions, the guilty are ostracized while in the Catholic religion the guilty are hidden, moved around to new locations and allowed and apparently encouraged to continue on with their crimes...

Are you seriously claiming there are no cases of Protestantism moving abusers around and allowing them to carry on with their "ministry"?

26 posted on 05/07/2011 6:11:52 AM PDT by Al Hitan
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To: Iscool

Iscool - “In no way could the study be accurate...”

“In the Protestant religions, the guilty are ostracized while in the Catholic religion the guilty are hidden, moved around to new locations and allowed and apparently encouraged to continue on with their crimes...”

“The 1.7% may reflect how many Catholic clergy have become exposed to the general public but it’s the ones that your religion hides and protects that we are more concerned about...And we have no idea how many of them there are...”


“Penn State professor Philip Jenkens reported that between 2 to 3 percent of Protestant clergy are pedophiles. His same study reported that less than 1.7 percent of Catholic priests are pedophiles. There is simply no reason to think that clergy child molesters are solely a Catholic problem. The results of this survey were reported in the book, Ministerial Ethics by Joe Trull and James Carter (2d ed. 2004), and in The Baptist Standard editorial, “Churches must act to prevent clergy sexual abuse,” 4/22/2002. (source: The voice of SNAP Baptist).”
http://stopbaptistpredators.org/alarmingnumbers.html

Your personal opinion is important, of course, but it doesn’t trump the investigative report.

Your other allegations are in error - see the numerous links already provided on the thread.

Collusion(s) - outside links within this source...
http://stopbaptistpredators.org/collusion_individuals.html

10-11 abuse cases for April 2011 alone - source provides outside links -
http://stopbaptistpredators.org/news.html

PS: Obama votes? Introducing another topic will deflect from the current one.


27 posted on 05/07/2011 7:35:34 AM PDT by bronxville (Sarah will be the first American female president.)
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To: HarleyD

Agree for the most part we differ with the methodology.


28 posted on 05/07/2011 7:37:00 AM PDT by bronxville (Sarah will be the first American female president.)
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To: Al Hitan

Sorry I meant to include you in the previous post to Iscool.


29 posted on 05/07/2011 7:38:20 AM PDT by bronxville (Sarah will be the first American female president.)
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To: vladimir998; Dutchboy88; RnMomof7; Dr. Eckleburg; Alex Murphy; Quix; Dr. Scarpetta; metmom; ...
Knowing you it will appear under “New Fiction” anyway.

Let's just watch the movie.

30 posted on 05/07/2011 12:51:31 PM PDT by Gamecock (I didn't reach the top of the food chain just to become a vegetarian.)
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To: Gamecock

THX for your efforts.

Cuing it up. Will try to get to it before sleep.


31 posted on 05/07/2011 1:11:55 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Dutchboy88
Why I am not a Catholic, by Dutchboy88

Who cares, by Hacksaw.

32 posted on 05/07/2011 1:14:21 PM PDT by Hacksaw (Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy — H.L. Mencken)
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To: Gamecock

LOL!!! Where on earth did you get the material? ;O)


33 posted on 05/07/2011 1:18:29 PM PDT by HarleyD
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To: Hacksaw
Who cares, by Hacksaw.

Indeed, LOL.

34 posted on 05/07/2011 1:22:30 PM PDT by Al Hitan
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To: HarleyD

Right here on Free Republic! LOL!


35 posted on 05/07/2011 1:27:44 PM PDT by Gamecock (I didn't reach the top of the food chain just to become a vegetarian.)
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To: Hacksaw; Dutchboy88

Catholic Revert: Richard Evans (Why I’m Catholic)

Who cares.


36 posted on 05/07/2011 1:29:05 PM PDT by Gamecock (I didn't reach the top of the food chain just to become a vegetarian.)
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To: Iscool

You wrote:

“In no way could the study be accurate...”

Okiedokie. Your saying it makes it so?

“In the Protestant religions, the guilty are ostracized...”

Sometimes, yes. Sometimes. no. What happens after the abuse is not an indication of the rate of abuse. Also, there have been Protestant sects - some large, some small - who did not ostracize their abusive clergymen.

“...while in the Catholic religion the guilty are hidden, moved around to new locations and allowed and apparently encouraged to continue on with their crimes...”

That has not happened in years, of course. No priest now - who is alleged to have abused anyone, ever - is moved around anywhere by the Church. They are all suspended or dead. All of them.

When someone accuses a priest, that priest is immediately suspended. He is then investigated. This has been the case for almost a decade now. The recent case of Fr. Corapi is a good example. An allegation was made and he was immediately suspended. Most people don’t even believe the allegation, but he was suspended anyway.

“The 1.7% may reflect how many Catholic clergy have become exposed to the general public but it’s the ones that your religion hides and protects that we are more concerned about...And we have no idea how many of them there are...”

We actually have an excellent idea of how many. We know this because all those priests who were accused have now been removed from the active ministry (actually for more than 7 years that has been the case). Most of the abusive priests commited their crimes in the 1960s and 1970s and were out of active ministry decades ago.


37 posted on 05/07/2011 1:30:08 PM PDT by vladimir998 (When people deny truth exists they must be wrong)
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To: Iscool; SuziQ
"Most of you guys voted for a pro abortion, pro homosexual Obama...You could be mistaken in your assessment..."

There are lies, damned lies, and what the OPC says about Catholics.

It wasn't Catholics who elected Obama, it was Protestants. The 54% statistic thrown around so often is completely misleading because it only accounts for the actual number who voted. Catholic voter turnout was below 50% because so of all Catholics only about 12 million actually voted for Obama. That is a mere 17%. The largest Catholic vote getter was "None of the above" because not enough could hold their noses to vote for McCain.

If you doubt my numbers put on your thinking cap (if you don't have one borrow one from a Catholic) and determine what percentage of the 68 million Catholics in this country are registered to vote and of that percentage what percentage actually turned out to vote. Of that number 54% voted for Obama. Can you arrive at a number greater than 12 million? (I didn't think so). Another approach would be to determine what percentage of the total population of the US is Catholic and apply 54% of that percentage to the total number of votes cast for Obama. Now can you arrive at a number greater than 12 million? (I didn't think so). Now stop spreading the lie that Catholics elected Obama. It only makes you look petty and dishonest.

38 posted on 05/07/2011 7:33:36 PM PDT by Natural Law
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To: Natural Law; Alex Murphy; RnMomof7
It wasn't Catholics who elected Obama, it was Protestants.

True.

But it proves that the American wing of the Roman Catholic Church isn't as conservative as FRoman Catholics portray.

39 posted on 05/07/2011 7:38:02 PM PDT by Gamecock (I didn't reach the top of the food chain just to become a vegetarian.)
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To: Gamecock
"But it proves that the American wing of the Roman Catholic Church isn't as conservative as FRoman Catholics portray."

False. When only 12 million of the 68 million Catholics vote for the Democrat candidate it proves that only a small minority are as liberal as you imply. I wish the number of Catholics not voting their faith were zero, but attempts to leverage this to prove anything is disingenuous.

40 posted on 05/07/2011 7:42:59 PM PDT by Natural Law
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To: HarleyD

-——Please remember the Jews in Jeremiah’s time found their greatest comfort through the priests in the Temple of God who told the people just what they wanted to hear.——END

Can you elaborate in more detail exactly what EWTN says for the itchy ears that want to hear it?


41 posted on 05/07/2011 8:41:00 PM PDT by ccastle
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To: vladimir998
When someone accuses a priest, that priest is immediately suspended. He is then investigated. This has been the case for almost a decade now. The recent case of Fr. Corapi is a good example. An allegation was made and he was immediately suspended. Most people don’t even believe the allegation, but he was suspended anyway.

Nowadays, since the Dallas Charter, it is not only the guilty priests who are ostracized, but also the innocent priests who are careless enough or unfortunate enough to have any sort of accusations made against them.

42 posted on 05/07/2011 10:39:22 PM PDT by GCC Catholic
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To: Natural Law
If you doubt my numbers put on your thinking cap (if you don't have one borrow one from a Catholic) and determine what percentage of the 68 million Catholics in this country are registered to vote and of that percentage what percentage actually turned out to vote.

Well first, how about we subtract from that number the Catholics who passed on, those who left your religion in search of God, those who are registered Catholic who never set foot in a Catholic church other than the day they were sprinkled, etc...

And who knows how many Catholics didn't vote because McCain AND Obama were both too conservative for them???

And let's not forget the 30 million Catholics who are in our country illegally who are counted in your numbers...

Could be 99% of registered, living, actual Catholics voted...

43 posted on 05/07/2011 11:01:03 PM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Natural Law
Now stop spreading the lie that Catholics elected Obama. It only makes you look petty and dishonest.

Oh, and by the way...Stop spreading the lie that I claimed Catholics elected Obama...It only makes you look petty and dishonest...

44 posted on 05/07/2011 11:03:34 PM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: NYer

—The final thing that happened after this rapid-fire convergence of events was reading Scott and Kimberly Hahn’s book Rome Sweet Home, in which they chronicle their own struggles and journey from Protestant to Catholic. I ended up devouring it nearly in one sitting. At the end knew I needed to return to the Church—and soon.**

Every Catholic needs to read this book and be willing to buy a copy for any Protestant who asks about the Catholic Church. I am just finishing reading it for the first time!


45 posted on 05/07/2011 11:04:58 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Gamecock

You wrote:

“But it proves that the American wing of the Roman Catholic Church isn’t as conservative as FRoman Catholics portray.”

What? Are you kidding? Since when did FR Catholics portray the “American wing of the Roman Catholic Church” as conservative?

And it does prove something: poorly catechized and dissident Catholics vote just like most Protestants do in this country.


46 posted on 05/07/2011 11:06:20 PM PDT by vladimir998 (When people deny truth exists they must be wrong)
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47 posted on 05/07/2011 11:08:05 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Gamecock; Natural Law
Natural L: It wasn't Catholics who elected Obama, it was Protestants. of all Catholics only about 12 million actually voted for Obama. That is a mere 17%. The largest Catholic vote getter was "None of the above"

Gamecock: True.

Thank you for the honest response. For far too long the troubles of the 19th century and early 20th century immigrants and the antipathy by the GOP and conservatives in the US and Canada) of that time lead many to vote D. But now we see in Canada a completely swing by many who never voted conservative to vote for them as they are disgusted by the actions of the liberals. The same will happen here, thanks to O -- as we saw in the 2008 elections when you had Catholic governors like Christie, Jindal etc. elected.

It is time to tell everyone that the GOP is not a "white" or "black" or whatever party, but a conservative party. And most are getting it. How can the GOP be considered racist if we have two Indian-American governors? If one of the foremost conservative thinkers happens to be black (Mr. Thomas) and another is of South-East Asian extraction (Ms. Malkin)

48 posted on 05/07/2011 11:20:22 PM PDT by Cronos (Libspeak: "Yes there is proof. And no, for the sake of privacy I am not posting it here.")
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To: Iscool; Natural Law
30 million Catholics who are in our country illegally who are counted in your numbers

Proof for any of your statements? Let's see how false your statement is:

  1. Total number of illegals is supposed to be from the Christian Science monitor "from about 7 million up to 20 million or more", "Based on the national census in 2000, the US Census Bureau puts the estimate of illegal immigrants at 8.7 million. As of 2003, the US Citizenship and Immigration Services put the number at 7 million. Since then, United States immigration officials have said the number has grown by as much as 500,000 a year."

    Then The Department of Homeland Security reported that illegal immigrant population dropped to 10.8 million in 2009 compared to 11.6 million in 2008.

    So, even the Department of Homland affairs says it is 11.6 million -- how do you get the number 30 million? Do you just juggle up numbers whenever needed? No need to answer that last one

  2. Now, the number of Catholics in the USA. Let's look at the census numbers which (surprise, surprise) only counts citizens and the Yearbook of American and Canadian Churchs states that there are 60-68 million Catholcis

    even cia.gov says 23.9% of 313 million are Catholic as of 2011 -- i.e. 75 million.....

  3. Whichever the number -- your figures are wrong, either humongously wrong or just extremely wrong

49 posted on 05/07/2011 11:34:15 PM PDT by Cronos (Libspeak: "Yes there is proof. And no, for the sake of privacy I am not posting it here.")
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To: ccastle
Can you elaborate in more detail exactly what EWTN says for the itchy ears that want to hear it?

I've never listened to EWTN but if homosexuals find "comfort" in their broadcasts and "uncomfortable" with others that should tell us something, shouldn't it? Showing the "utmost respect" to homosexuals do not help them grow in the grace of God. When we shy away from discussing God's wrath and judgment on sin and corruption to solely focus on discussing God's love, we do God a disservice.

Contrary to what the Catholic Church would have one believe, homosexuality is nothing more than wonton sin which is excused or ignored. This is not what the scriptures teaches. Homosexuality is an abomination to God and is something that God can help people overcome if they come to Him and acknowledge their sinfulness.

For the Catholic Church to relegate it to nothing more than impulse to be surpress, the Catholic Church does not encourage people to seek God's help in solving this issue or do they call it for what it is-sin. They are false teachers leading people not to see God's perfection but encouraging them to excuse their own sin.

I hope that's a bit clearer.

50 posted on 05/08/2011 5:05:07 AM PDT by HarleyD
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