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To: Tax-chick

The church that I was attending left PCUSA a few months back. They knew this was coming. The country/rural churches have been fighting their liberal city presbyteries for years about this. PCUSA hates Israel too so it stands to reason they’d hate Christ.


19 posted on 05/10/2011 6:55:44 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: DJ MacWoW; 21twelve

Thank you for the additional information. Given the Central Florida Presbytery’s recorded opposition and the conservatism of a Leesburg congregation, it will probably be a while before this affects her. She still might decide to move if there’s a good-sized PCA church nearby, though. We have some very large PCA congregations here, but I don’t know how it is there.


21 posted on 05/10/2011 6:59:39 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Obama's "Gutsy Decision": Who's gonna tell the fool that he ain't cool?)
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To: DJ MacWoW

The Church I attended before I moved knew this was coming 25 YEARS AGO....and left the PCUSA to become part of the Evangelical Presbyterian Church (EPC) denominiation.

Anyone paying close attention knows that this has been an issue since the ‘70s....and as conservative individuals and conservative congregations left the PCUSA (not easy since they will typically SUE a congregation to keep the property....even though it is (and never was) deeded to the PCUSA) it has become more and more liberal.

This is not, mind you, because congregants were getting more liberal, rather that the conservatives left the dying denomination—and now the liberals now control the corpse.

The “property issue” is particularly galling—as very old congregations, where the PCUSA denomination has never provided a PENNY to acquire or maintain their property, are being sued for the ownership of it, due to some dubious “trust” agreements worked out in the 1970s (mainly to arm-twist congregations into accepting womens’ ordination). Many times courts defer to immoral/indefensible “Church law” allowing the denomination to claim ownership over property they will not use (accept to sell).

Same thing is happening with the Episcopalians, Methodists, and Lutherans.

Anyone who thinks the voluntary option about congregations accepting homosexual ordinations will remain long, is also delusional.


43 posted on 05/11/2011 8:09:02 AM PDT by AnalogReigns
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