Cafeteria Catholics: Arnold and Maria Schwarznegger

Speroforum ^ | June 6, 2011 | Mary Ann Kreitzer

[Daveinyork]

A kennedy on the receiving end of someone acting like a kennedy.

[NYer]

The pain and damage Schwarzenegger has caused his family (His son Patrick changed his name to Shriver on his facebook page.) mirrors the pain sin causes to Jesus Christ.

Sin effects the entire community. In this instance, one can see how those sins have impacted the immediate and extended community - even those disaffected from the catholic faith.

[Jeff Chandler]

Ouch. That’s going to leave a mark.

[mrs. a]

I think they both knew where that train was going when they bought their tickets.

[forgotten man]

The Catholic Church is not a democratic institution and has never claimed to be democratic. You take it or leave it. A lot of people (including Maria Shriver) have left it. She should go join the Epicopalian church. They will take anybody.

[NYer]

Lol! Love the analogy. Thanks for the post and ping.

[StAnDeliver]

"A kennedy on the receiving end of someone acting like a kennedy."

kennedy karma ... even the Irish know they're poison ...

[miss marmelstein]

Interesting article. It’s also important to choose a partner who has grace, dignity and ethics. My husband had an old-fashioned, 1950s Catholic education - with the nuns yelling at him and the priest glaring at him when he goofed up as an altar boy. He is a lapsed Catholic but he has never shed his Catholic ethics. How could he? Those nuns will come after him in bad dreams!

[353FMG]

“Even though I consider myself a Catholic in good standing, I disagree with a lot of the teachings of the Church....”

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Ex cathedra.

[NWFLConservative]

"Maria Shriver Schwarzenegger called herself a cafeteria Catholic at the time and, while claiming to pray every day and to love her parish priest"

Who cares if she loves her priest, he's just a mortal like the rest of us. She's supposed to love the Father and Son. I have taken several people, ones I know to be democraps, in my parish to task over the "cafeteria" issue. I first ask them if they know what the five Catholic "non-negotiables" are. For the non-Catholics here, those are (1)abortion (2) gay marriage, (3) euthanasia, (4) human cloning and (5) embryonic stem cell research. About 75% can't name them, which really shocks me. I then state them for them. And then ask them how they can say they are a good Catholic if they are a democrat and support their philosophies. And how you can't say you are against abortion but for embryonic stem cell research or human cloning. In for a penny, in for the whole pound. Without variation, I get a litany of rationalizations. You either support the Church's teachings or you don't. If you cannot support ALL of them, you need to go to another church which is more "enlightened" like the Episcopal Church. I apparently pissed a couple of them off so badly, they complained to the priest about it and he pulled me aside and we chatted about it. By the time we were done philosophizing, he came to agree that as parishioners we have a duty to talk about the Church to other parishioners and to bring ones who are astray back to the path. I just need to do it a little less "assertively". LOL.

[freedumb2003]

>>”Even though I consider myself a Catholic in good standing, I disagree with a lot of the teachings of the Church....I don’t believe that if someone’s divorced they shouldn’t get Communion; I don’t believe that people who are gay shouldn’t be accepted into the Church… I’m pro-choice, I believe women should have that right....women should have a larger role in the Catholic Church.” - Maria Shriver Schwarzenegger .<<

IOW, she is a Methodist. Or just a run of the mill 4-square church-ist. Or maybe a scientologist.

By definition in that one statement she rejects the pillars of Catholicism.

I may have left the Church but I defend her right and duty to define herself.

[miss marmelstein]

You know, the Irish now blame US for the IRA. You can’t go to an Irish forum without them bringing up “American” support of the IRA (the stupid jerks!) I point out to them that they idolized the Kennedys and Ted Kennedy in particular (and his mini-me Peter King who now, blessedly, is anti-terrorist) who were leaders in IRA sympathy. So, what I’m saying is that the Irish do not know that they are poison - unless you know something I don’t know. I hope you do!

The Irish are an ungrateful, hateful, anti-American bunch (I know what I’m talking about) and now that the Celtic Tiger has imploded, I really resent them showing up in NYC (where I live), working in jobs that I, personally, would rather go to people who love my country.

[freedumb2003]

>>By the time we were done philosophizing, he came to agree that as parishioners we have a duty to talk about the Church to other parishioners and to bring ones who are astray back to the path. I just need to do it a little less “assertively”. LOL. <<

My break with the Church was structural. That “bring ones astray back” sounds a heck of a lot like RINO philosophy — we believe in A, B and C — that is, unless if we give in on B and C you will vote (R).

The Holy See(s) across so many years — this one in particular — are more than clear on the subject. You are all in as a Catholic or you are just something else.

[Palladin]

The ELCA would welcome her with open arms.

[freedumb2003]

>>The ELCA would welcome her with open arms<<

You got me. ELCA?

And looking up acronyms on Google is like looking up sex terms... (not that I know about the latter, mind you)

[kalee]

An Episcopalian appealed to Rome to block a Kennedy’s attempt to dump her and remarry. Her petition was granted and her Kennedy husband did not get his annulment.
There are good and bad people in both churches.

[SuziQ]

Good article. I guess Maria stayed in the Church out of sheer habit, or maybe for her mother. She needs to re-think her commitment to the faith, and if she truly doesn’t wish to follow Catholic teachings, she can join the liberal Anglicans. They seem to be diminishing by the day; I’m sure they’d welcome her and Arnold.

[LibLieSlayer]

Someday an Angel is going to tell her that what she thinks matters not.

LLS

[RummyChick]

I watched Arnold at Reagans funeral the other day. He crossed himself backwards.